Paitryn

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Essentially in development of something planning is priceless, but a plan is worthless.
so Mr dots has been going at it for nearly as long, and his team is on its 4 project? 3 completed.
NLT media has completed also 3 top tier quality games complete with excellent animations, RPG stats and working on a 4th.

Know what they have in common? core focus. Planning.

this team lacks those things. no one sets the team down and goes over what needs to be done tracks whats done and when someone tries to introduce another thing slap it out of their hands and puts them back on track. The development is all over the place, like someone with ADHD at the wheel. with all these other projects the split of the main game into smaller games and no integration back into the main game, all i can see from the outside is just a sheer lack of discipline and most likely burnout from going a bridge too far with SU.
 

Spidermen23

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Gunsmoke Games "Heres how we can do 2 games at once"
Patrons "Cool so whens the SU update you said would come out this month?
Gunsmoke Games "Oh we have to finish this build of our new game first so it's TBA"


Honestly I was patent and gave them a lot of good faith but at this point, they're just a cluster fuck with no idea how to stick to any sort of solid schedule or plan for more than maybe a year. Every few years they get distracted with some side project that GS swears WONT EFFECT SU'S UPDATES, with a posts that prove the fact that THEY ALREADY HAVE. And for what ANOTHER X-men Evo game.There are already 2 done by competent artists that are much farther along and deliver anything this project would (rouge_evo) and (Project_Null). They've really gone down hill in years, they used to have some hick ups yeah, but you could at least expect an update once every 2 months with some decent content, now here we are 4 months of empty promises and another distraction that will maybe get a few updates and then be abandoned, just expected to "be grateful that they do anything at all". Best part most of their updates are hidden behind their paywall, so you want to say anything you gotta pay um. Like seriously at this point it's paying 5 bucks a month to read posts saying "Here's why you're not getting the game you clearly payed to support and why that's a good thing" every few weeks....sigh It was fun while it lasted, and at least most of the girls that anyone actually cared about got more or less completed in the main game, even catwomen got some stuff in the Gotham thing. Pity such a good project was destroyed by piss poor planing and communication, they survived a DMCA only to kill all hype for the project themselves.
 

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Gunsmoke Games "Heres how we can do 2 games at once"
Patrons "Cool so whens the SU update you said would come out this month?
Gunsmoke Games "Oh we have to finish this build of our new game first so it's TBA"


Honestly I was patent and gave them a lot of good faith but at this point, they're just a cluster fuck with no idea how to stick to any sort of solid schedule or plan for more than maybe a year. Every few years they get distracted with some side project that GS swears WONT EFFECT SU'S UPDATES, with a posts that prove the fact that THEY ALREADY HAVE. And for what ANOTHER X-men Evo game.There are already 2 done by competent artists that are much farther along and deliver anything this project would (rouge_evo) and (Project_Null). They've really gone down hill in years, they used to have some hick ups yeah, but you could at least expect an update once every 2 months with some decent content, now here we are 4 months of empty promises and another distraction that will maybe get a few updates and then be abandoned, just expected to "be grateful that they do anything at all". Best part most of their updates are hidden behind their paywall, so you want to say anything you gotta pay um. Like seriously at this point it's paying 5 bucks a month to read posts saying "Here's why you're not getting the game you clearly payed to support and why that's a good thing" every few weeks....sigh It was fun while it lasted, and at least most of the girls that anyone actually cared about got more or less completed in the main game, even catwomen got some stuff in the Gotham thing. Pity such a good project was destroyed by piss poor planing and communication, they survived a DMCA only to kill all hype for the project themselves.
Man is wrote a paragraph to complain about nothing :KEK:

Its really funny to see people complain about the new game when even if it wasn't in development you already know the dev teams dumbass still wouldn't have the SU update ready
 

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The irony of calling it "free stuff" while linking to your Patreon 3756 people are paying for, and likely joined explicitly for SU.
SU might not be abandoned today, it might not be abandoned tomorrow, but it will be. Project Evolution is going to become the favorite child and receive the majority of updates while SU will be drip fed small updates from time to time until GG decide to move on to something else. Rinse and repeat. For example: Bend of Break 2 is still said to be "expected to launch in 2024" on GG's About section on patreon.
I say this not from a place of anger, but rather disappoint.

I know not a lot of people are going to see this post before its deleted (like every post criticizing this decision, such as a previous reply of mine), but if you'd like some advise from a published author: it's best to finish a project before moving on to a new one. You can ask George RR Martin that one too.
I don't think the post will be removed it's a justified fear with all things considered, updates on SU becoming less frequent, chainging engines and things left unfinished. I have to give my own opinnion on how it could have been handled better with just a few lines.

1. SU changed engines to rempy expect quality drop but significant work on finishing the lose ends such as bordello and last device unlock.
2. New game announced it will apear on SU main title as advertisement, SU will still receive micro updates but will also advertise the new game on the main title to provide a good migration.

That's what I would done to keep these games active and maybe a definitive version later on SU removing previous mentions on the new game.

Instead it's two cakes like this:

1 Cake is missing the frosting and top layer but there lots of side cupcakes.
Number 2 cake is just the plate for now and the bottom layer is in the oven.

Note this is just my vague opinion and I really want the project to succed but because of the order of the announcements I feel uninterested in the prospects if the following year we will see more of the same.
 
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Spidermen23

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Its what the new game represents, another distraction/excuse they can use to explain why their update is late. I've been watching this cycle for years now, and honestly it's just tiresome. Is Sunset still a good artist, yes, am I sure what content we'll get of it is solid, probably, but given their constant lack of focus and inability to commit to any solid plans, it just feels like another slap in the face after a long list of detours, broken deadlines, and promises of things that never came to be for one reason or another, and the common denominator is this, they can't commit to any cohesive idea, be it an update theme, an event, or a new game. I'd love them to prove me wrong, but the president they've set over the last few years really leaves me doubting.
 

Grimlock99

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Its what the new game represents, another distraction/excuse they can use to explain why their update is late. I've been watching this cycle for years now, and honestly it's just tiresome. Is Sunset still a good artist, yes, am I sure what content we'll get of it is solid, probably, but given their constant lack of focus and inability to commit to any solid plans, it just feels like another slap in the face after a long list of detours, broken deadlines, and promises of things that never came to be for one reason or another, and the common denominator is this, they can't commit to any cohesive idea, be it an update theme, an event, or a new game. I'd love them to prove me wrong, but the president they've set over the last few years really leaves me doubting.
Idk man, it just feels from recent communication that they are kinda burnt out of SU, guess that's why they chose to do a new game to feel fresh again, I guess even the events (Gotham, Them) didn't work as a way to get rid of that feeling of burn out, I do hope the new game helps them and it helps SU but idk just my opinion on reading some of the comments smoke has put here, some of the patreon communication and discord comments, only they would know if they are burnt out or not, but it does seem that way.
 

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They think they can run 2 projects without screwing up. They can't even run 1 project let alone 2. Last year they never released an update in time and this year it took them 6 months for 1 update.
 
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Spidermen23

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Idk man, it just feels from recent communication that they are kinda burnt out of SU, guess that's why they chose to do a new game to feel fresh again, I guess even the events (Gotham, Them) didn't work as a way to get rid of that feeling of burn out, I do hope the new game helps them and it helps SU but idk just my opinion on reading some of the comments smoke has put here, some of the patreon communication and discord comments, only they would know if they are burnt out or not, but it does seem that way.
It's absolutely burn out, and it wouldn't be as frustrating if they where just honest about it. You can tell SSR was getting tired of Su around mid Themiscara, and if they had just communicated that honestly then and made a free post saying "We've been working on the same thing for 7 years and we're a bit burnt out so we're going to wrap things up and start something new" It would have probably gone down a lot better. The fact is most of the core game for SU is finished or damn near it, had they spent the last year basically just wrapping up those loose ends instead of adding more events, and stand alone content, something like a new game would probably be more welcome. The complaints come from how they've handled things and how most of their communication is in posts that need to be payed for to read. They've slowed down on work, and people have noticed, and rather than just being honest they instead post vauge rants about "going in a new direction" that basicly just read as excuses on why they arn't updating. The new game being a theme that's already been done a few times as games like this makes the annoucement underwhelming and not worth the wait and constant delay. I want to be proven wrong here, I'd love nothing more than for them to releas the first build of this and it be just as enjoyable as early SU, then see the SU update shortly after and it be amazing. I want to have the same faith in them as devs that I used to, but they've been pretty bad about keeping their word latly.
 

Grimlock99

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It's absolutely burn out, and it wouldn't be as frustrating if they where just honest about it. You can tell SSR was getting tired of Su around mid Themiscara, and if they had just communicated that honestly then and made a free post saying "We've been working on the same thing for 7 years and we're a bit burnt out so we're going to wrap things up and start something new" It would have probably gone down a lot better. The fact is most of the core game for SU is finished or damn near it, had they spent the last year basically just wrapping up those loose ends instead of adding more events, and stand alone content, something like a new game would probably be more welcome. The complaints come from how they've handled things and how most of their communication is in posts that need to be payed for to read. They've slowed down on work, and people have noticed, and rather than just being honest they instead post vauge rants about "going in a new direction" that basicly just read as excuses on why they arn't updating. The new game being a theme that's already been done a few times as games like this makes the annoucement underwhelming and not worth the wait and constant delay. I want to be proven wrong here, I'd love nothing more than for them to releas the first build of this and it be just as enjoyable as early SU, then see the SU update shortly after and it be amazing. I want to have the same faith in them as devs that I used to, but they've been pretty bad about keeping their word latly.
You know I agree with some points of what you said, earlier this year I decided to become a patreon for them, like they came out with some roadmaps, I thought personally that the last gotham update was great, the montoya content was good, the other content as well, then I listen to their discord call thing they do after every update and it seemed like they finally had things figured out but four months later surprise a new game and like maaaan I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but what a letdown, from earlier in the year talking about them listening to fan feedback and trying to add more stuff to the events to make them feel complete to now where we are and idk I feel dissapointed, yeah boo me that wasted money on them but I honestly thought they got their stuff together finally and boom. I want to see SU succeed and understand if they are going through a burn out but man idk, at least there are other games that interest me and I'm not that hyper focused on here anymore.
 

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So I did some reading and I did almost everything but I can't go to Themyscira because I lack Circe and I have heard that it's bugged is that still the case??
I cant cheat her btw.
 
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