Gunsmoke Games

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Oh no, they’re making TWO games. Clearly doomed.

Again this is free stuff for you all, so go read the first paragraph and spam this thread with AI detection, horrible takes, and questions easily answered in the post. /s

 

Pablillo1

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Oh no, they’re making TWO games. Clearly doomed.

Again this is free stuff for you all, so go read the first paragraph and spam this thread with AI detection, horrible takes, and questions easily answered in the post. /s


Okay, so when are the damn updates coming out???:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I'm complaining, and I'm not even a Patreon. :KEK:
 

Burstlimit

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Oh no, they’re making TWO games. Clearly doomed.

Again this is free stuff for you all, so go read the first paragraph and spam this thread with AI detection, horrible takes, and questions easily answered in the post. /s

But you kinda already screwed up. Didn't you guys aim for an August release, which is according to your own posts on patreon very unlikely now, even with a 1 week planned buffer. Wasn't that the whole point of dropping the deadlines, so this won't happen again. So why give another target when you can't make it. The entire art and story stuff is actually really subjective. But missing target after target is objectively bad.
 
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Gunsmoke Games

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But you kinda already screwed up. Didn't you guys aim for an August release, which is according to your own posts on patreon very unlikely now, even with a 1 week planned buffer. Wasn't that the whole point of dropping the deadlines, so this won't happen again. So why give another target when you can't make it. The entire art and story stuff is actually really subjective. But missing target after target is objectively bad.
I'm sorry if I'm wrong here but what I think your misunderstanding a promise, and an estimate. We have never promised an update will drop for Project Evolution in August, we estimated it would based on progress that had happened. In January we stated our shift from firm deadlines to quality updates. That will release when they are ready. I believe the product is what we promise, not the date. Us providing an estimate is a courtesy, and if weaponized we can just not, as our direction from Jan will still stand.
 
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I'm sorry if I'm wrong here but what I think your misunderstanding a promise, and an estimate. We have never promised an update will drop for Project Evolution in August, we estimated it would based on progress that had happened. In January we stated our shift from firm deadlines to quality updates. That will release when they are ready. I believe the product is what we promise, not the date. Us providing an estimate is a courtesy, and if weaponized we can just not, as our direction from Jan will still stand.
It's not meant as an attack but in my field a target that is set is not to be missed when given. Maybe it's just a different understanding of the word. But why give an estimate/ Target when your history shows that you can't make it. I am with you that its important that the product is finished, Gotham is a great example of that. But It's still a bad look to miss your estimate 2 times for 2 updates this year.

But besides that I wish you great success with what ever the name will be (Project evolution).
 
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Gunsmoke Games

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It's not meant as an attack but in my field a target that is set is not to be missed when given. Maybe it's just a different understanding of the word. But why give an estimate/ Target when your history shows that you can't make it. I am with you that its important that the product is finished, Gotham is a great example of that. But It's still a bad look to miss your estimate 2 times for 2 updates this year. Your guys Problem was never the content (Sunsets is when he is interested in an update /project and with enough time, more than just great) it was everything around that, that made many people stop supporting you. Maybe I am wrong about that but that was my reason at least.

But besides that I wish you great success with what ever the name will be (Project evolution).
In certain fields I can totally get behind the needs to have hard deadlines. For instance if X machine can only make 10 thingys a day then you can easily schedule out a delivery for Y day. But when your producing, and iterating something, there are more unknowns than knowns. Like how many iterations are needed for even a rough draft. Or, we have never built a mission system, that is tied to Xp gains. We haven't ever incorporated powers into a story, and design the story so that your power choice has impact at every instance. We have never made a small game that has an actual game loop other than clicking next day.

As for asset needs (which is a big part of the needs tbh), we can guess what scenes are needed (BJ, Sex, etc) but we cannot estimate the alternate BG needs, as those arise from needs to change view points, or a need to add an additional scene for impact. Taking he wouldn't be cool if someone could get caught in invisibility by Jean if she is around. That sentence took me 30 secs to type, and it could take us a day or a month to incorporate.

Essentially in development of something planning is priceless, but a plan is worthless.
 

DerCoomer1488

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Oh no, they’re making TWO games. Clearly doomed.

Again this is free stuff for you all, so go read the first paragraph and spam this thread with AI detection, horrible takes, and questions easily answered in the post. /s

The irony of calling it "free stuff" while linking to your Patreon 3756 people are paying for, and likely joined explicitly for SU.
SU might not be abandoned today, it might not be abandoned tomorrow, but it will be. Project Evolution is going to become the favorite child and receive the majority of updates while SU will be drip fed small updates from time to time until GG decide to move on to something else. Rinse and repeat. For example: Bend of Break 2 is still said to be "expected to launch in 2024" on GG's About section on patreon.
I say this not from a place of anger, but rather disappoint.

I know not a lot of people are going to see this post before its deleted (like every post criticizing this decision, such as a previous reply of mine), but if you'd like some advise from a published author: it's best to finish a project before moving on to a new one. You can ask George RR Martin that one too.
 
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