ItsumoXL21

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Build Update Progress
We have been quietly working away towards this next Gotham update. But we're are here to announce that we're about 80% complete on the assets creation. SR7 has began handing off assets for Henshin to implement. From here once all assets are in we will hand off the build to our testing team.

We want to thank everyone who took a great deal of their time to provide us with input about what it was about SU you liked so much. We were blown away with the amount of responses, and there were some very eye opening responses. We developed an internal "score card" based only on your replies from that post, and had our testers score 2.4.8 and 2.4.7. Not to anyone's surprise 2.4.8 scored extremely high, and 2.4.7 missed the mark. But we can now pin point exactly why! This information is already having a drastic impact on the build. Creating something you all enjoy, and doing that consistently is the end goal.

In addition to our internal score cards we will be implementing an external score card as well. We will create two groups of patrons (on discord) and have them score the builds on the criteria you all provided us. Further honing in on exactly the kind of content you all have come to love about SU.

2025 is already shaping up to be a big year.

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Smokeshank
2.4.8 felt much worse than 2.4.7, with the main content being a tease at the future AI stuff and the AI raven content; the ventriloquist was decent. 2.4.7 felt like it had more content with the Barbara Gordon scenes (Some were bad, especially the BJ one). I can only assume that this is a way for them to push more SuperBabes AI content.
 

Perniciousducks

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2.4.8 felt much worse than 2.4.7, with the main content being a tease at the future AI stuff and the AI raven content; the ventriloquist was decent. 2.4.7 felt like it had more content with the Barbara Gordon scenes (Some were bad, especially the BJ one). I can only assume that this is a way for them to push more SuperBabes AI content.
None of that stuff is AI... why are people so bad at this?
 

Oriandu

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Sep 1, 2017
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Build Update Progress
We have been quietly working away towards this next Gotham update. But we're are here to announce that we're about 80% complete on the assets creation. SR7 has began handing off assets for Henshin to implement. From here once all assets are in we will hand off the build to our testing team.

We want to thank everyone who took a great deal of their time to provide us with input about what it was about SU you liked so much. We were blown away with the amount of responses, and there were some very eye opening responses. We developed an internal "score card" based only on your replies from that post, and had our testers score 2.4.8 and 2.4.7. Not to anyone's surprise 2.4.8 scored extremely high, and 2.4.7 missed the mark. But we can now pin point exactly why! This information is already having a drastic impact on the build. Creating something you all enjoy, and doing that consistently is the end goal.

In addition to our internal score cards we will be implementing an external score card as well. We will create two groups of patrons (on discord) and have them score the builds on the criteria you all provided us. Further honing in on exactly the kind of content you all have come to love about SU.

2025 is already shaping up to be a big year.

Thanks
Smokeshank
Oh, the next "Gotham" update, huh? Guess we're getting the Superbabes update for the second time in a row.
 

braveart01

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And of course, Bend or break 2 that was mentioned in 2024 is now basically forgotten. Sunset REALLY loves new events and characters, barely tries to finish already introduced ones. Could have finished Themyscira first with all characters but the guy has adhd or something. Can't resist a new shiny event or character.
 

Oriandu

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Barely tries to finish already introduced ones? You say that like he's attempted to finish one since the literal first one. Every single event SU has outside of the very first yacht part is either missing a bunch of promised content or just fizzles out with no conclusion.
 
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I hope that, at some point, they'll introduce a 'simulator'-like menu where we can take the existing assets from the base game and create our own stories or use them for animations and stills. Not nesscarily downloading the asset dumps from their Discord, but a seperate "game" itself. It would be cool to have the ability to change things like complexion, size, or add accessories to both the male and female assets. Something similar to SimBros (if anyone remembers that).


Just spitballing here.
 

Spidermen23

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Jun 6, 2018
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because there has been some funky art that has tell tale signs. They also talked about doing it
Despite the images that people are calling AI in question are pictures YOU CAN WATCH THEM DRAW BY HAND IN THE VERY FREE ACCESSIBLE STREAMS. Look this game has a lot of development problems, but AI is not one of them. It's an easily dis-proven point and it distracts from more valid discourse.
 

RohanK400

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According to a comment on patreon the update is not coming out at the end month. Theres still like 20% to go not including testing.
 
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adanu

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Gain a reputation for not being consistent and word will get around. I appreciate an honest 'I need a break' instead of trying to push out half finished stuff in your games, and it sounds like this one is going the way of Radiant. Unfortunate.
 

slowparson

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Despite the images that people are calling AI in question are pictures YOU CAN WATCH THEM DRAW BY HAND IN THE VERY FREE ACCESSIBLE STREAMS. Look this game has a lot of development problems, but AI is not one of them. It's an easily dis-proven point and it distracts from more valid discourse.
Yeah, just cuz it's being hand-drawn NOW doesn't mean this stylistic change isn't also super obviously a transparent attempt to eventually switch production capabilities entirely. Dude builds his entire "brand" on drawing character designs ripped straight out of a TV show, but then starts purposefully drawing them like AI slop that conveniently has the correct number of fingers... the only conclusion therefore is that claiming this is a change in drawing preferences is total bullshit.
 

Jimwalrus

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Yeah, just cuz it's being hand-drawn NOW doesn't mean this stylistic change isn't also super obviously a transparent attempt to eventually switch production capabilities entirely. Dude builds his entire "brand" on drawing character designs ripped straight out of a TV show, but then starts purposefully drawing them like AI slop that conveniently has the correct number of fingers... the only conclusion therefore is that claiming this is a change in drawing preferences is total bullshit.
I think you may be ascribing to conspiracy that which is more readily explained by the simpler concept of them no longer caring about quality or maintaining a consistent style.
They've been doing this so long, and their feedback on Patreon / Discord is a sycophantic echo chamber, so they just don't hear the negative opinions. They 'know they're right' because they're making all that money every month.


And my two-pen'orth on the AI debate - I've created LOTS of AI-generated images using many models trained on SR7s work. They all produce stuff much closer to the previous style (albeit sometimes with too many fingers!). I would conclude that they're not yet using it, or only for backgrounds.
 
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Barnarge

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Yeah, just cuz it's being hand-drawn NOW doesn't mean this stylistic change isn't also super obviously a transparent attempt to eventually switch production capabilities entirely. Dude builds his entire "brand" on drawing character designs ripped straight out of a TV show, but then starts purposefully drawing them like AI slop that conveniently has the correct number of fingers... the only conclusion therefore is that claiming this is a change in drawing preferences is total bullshit.
Nah, I disagree with the idea of SS7 using LLM generated images when the old copy paste and recycled body type does the trick. The best example was in Themyscira when most of the amazons share the same body type and in some cases even the same poses.
 

Erebus69

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And my two-pen'orth on the AI debate - I've created LOTS of AI-generated images using many models trained on SR7s work. They all produce stuff much closer to the previous style (albeit sometimes with too many fingers!). I would conclude that they're not yet using it, or only for backgrounds.
Comrade Conspiracy says its a custom LLM based on the modular layers they already have in their catalog running on a home pc. Thus the evolutionary growth of the AI is negated by it being a private llm. As this is why they had some delays as they were building it and now it's not producing as hoped/planned. Tin foil away!!!
 

slowparson

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I think you may be ascribing to conspiracy that which is more readily explained by the simpler concept of them no longer caring about quality or maintaining a consistent style.
I mean, laziness is a perfectly valid explanation. Nor is it a mutually exclusive explanation... but also nor do I even pay for their Patreon. Honestly, boycotting their Patreon is the only logical answer to such shenanigans.

Nah, I disagree with the idea of SS7 using LLM generated images when the old copy paste and recycled body type does the trick. The best example was in Themyscira when most of the amazons share the same body type and in some cases even the same poses.
That was clearly him drawing stuff to reuse it for Bend or Break 2, since all his "original" characters in Theyscira looked ripped from a different TV show. I mean, why not also copy paste it in the same game?
 

Spidermen23

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Yeah, just cuz it's being hand-drawn NOW doesn't mean this stylistic change isn't also super obviously a transparent attempt to eventually switch production capabilities entirely. Dude builds his entire "brand" on drawing character designs ripped straight out of a TV show, but then starts purposefully drawing them like AI slop that conveniently has the correct number of fingers... the only conclusion therefore is that claiming this is a change in drawing preferences is total bullshit.
Yes they are purposely "drawing like AI" because that makes more sense than "they moved to an art style you don't like". I'm not saying the new style is better or worse, but it is just like a fact that artists change their styles over time, you can call it being lazy, pandering, or just shifting their look, and its fine to not like said change in style, but calling it AI basically just because you don't like it is both misinformed and reductive of both larger issues in hand. Weather you like the style or not it's still hand drawn and not AI, so that critique is just blatantly false, and focusing on it or trying to double down on it does nothing but obstruct more constructive criticisms, like say their inability to deliver updates on time, how they interact with the online community as a whole "its not great lol", or yes even a distastes in artistic direction. As an artist myself I can say nothing will make an artist ignore your input or opinion regardless of their validity if you start falsely accusing them of AI shit. Granted Gunsmoke doesn't respond to criticism well anyway but still. You want them to change course then properly diagnose the issue, don't just throw blanket statements like "it's AI" when it's provably not. Criticize the things you don't like about the new style with CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM and even if they don't say it out-loud most artists will at least keep it in mind.
 

Spidermen23

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Jun 6, 2018
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I think you may be ascribing to conspiracy that which is more readily explained by the simpler concept of them no longer caring about quality or maintaining a consistent style.
They've been doing this so long, and their feedback on Patreon / Discord is a sycophantic echo chamber, so they just don't hear the negative opinions. They 'know they're right' because they're making all that money every month.


And my two-pen'orth on the AI debate - I've created LOTS of AI-generated images using many models trained on SR7s work. They all produce stuff much closer to the previous style (albeit sometimes with too many fingers!). I would conclude that they're not yet using it, or only for backgrounds.
Your argument basicly amounts to "My composite images made out of plagiarized SS7s looks closer to their old style, than their new art does" No, duh the computer is trained on the old art so it's going to emulate it more than an actual artist developing a stlye on their own. Also I've see the AI image threads you guys have and literally every image you make is trash even compaired to SS7s newer stuff. I'd rather have reused assets 1000 times over than any of that AI swill.
 
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