Unity Something Unlimited [v2.4.8] [Gunsmoke Games]

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Erebus69 said:
Ren'py is simplistic as it is focused on visual novels, as such it hamstrings development on larger more complex games. Especially for games such as SU that started as pseudo openworld rpg and are using modular dolls for the character scenes and animation.
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As others already have said - Doomination, Behind the Doom, hell, even Rogue-like Evolution all show that you are very, very wrong.
And the fact that a guy on this forum managed to remake SU in Ren'Py without the budget or the funding additionally shows that Gunsmoke doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as excuses go. Just admit you have coded yourself into a corner by stubbornly refusing to switch to an objectively better system when that was still feasible (at any point in development, honestly) and instead are now making excuses about how "plot" has made us focus on "other things" instead of, y'know, updating the MAIN FUCKING GAME.
 
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Mishanya1004 said:
As others already have said - Doomination, Behind the Doom, hell, even Rogue-like Evolution all show that you are very, very wrong.
And the fact that a guy on this forum managed to remake SU in Ren'Py without the budget or the funding additionally shows that Gunsmoke doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as excuses go. Just admit you have coded yourself into a corner by stubbornly refusing to switch to an objectively better system when that was still feasible (at any point in development, honestly) and instead are now making excuses about how "plot" has made us focus on "other things" instead of, y'know, updating the MAIN FUCKING GAME.
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Really? Can you link the remake on here as I’m curious what that remake is now?
 
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Chrisdarock19 said:
And this is the "faithful" SU adaption from xMendoza. The thread itself was home to a hybrid version that was made with the SU remix thread and modding purposes in mind.
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Mendoza should make his own DC corruption game, I say the more the merrier. Maybe have Darkseid be the one corrupting DC heroines. Obviously it couldnt be in Bruce Tim's art style but with a good artist, I believe it can work.

It would make complete sense for a game where Darkseid is the main protagonist. I mean we saw what became of Supergirl and what she was wearing when she was brainwashed by Darkseid to be a Female Furie in Superman/Batman:Apocalypse. Maybe have the anti life equation be altered where it feeds on lust which corrupts the heroine even more.
 
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Mendoza should make his own DC corruption game, I say the more the merrier. Maybe have Darkseid be the one corrupting DC heroines. Obviously it couldnt be in Bruce Tim's art style but with a good artist, I believe it can work.

It would make complete sense for a game where Darkseid is the main protagonist. I mean we saw what became of Supergirl and what she was wearing when she was brainwashed by Darkseid to be a Female Furie in Superman/Batman:Apocalypse. Maybe have the anti life equation be altered where it feeds on lust which corrupts the heroine even more.
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i mean, that's pretty much a "standard evil costume switch". Malice, anyone?

Probably just me, but... I prefer Player characters that are a tad easier on the eyes.. And otherwise, I think it's more fun to start out low, and work your way up. Adds to the reward feeling. Lex in SU already is basically "can solve everything in five minutes". Darkseid would be the same way. Same for, say, a Something Marvel Unlimited and "Gotta be Doom as player character!" (or, say, Purple Man, due to his powers.)

Sure, it can be a fun power fantasy, but I honestly think that, if there is a bit more work to it, to the rise of the MC and such, it has a bit more oomph-
 
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Mishanya1004 said:
Rogue-like Evolution all show that you are very, very wrong.
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What the fuck are you talking about Rouge-like came out about the same time as SU. It's code was/is an absolute piece of shit and that is/was so poorly coded that the dev has had to release MULTIPLE patches that he says aren't worth playing because of the bugs. It has taken YEARS for him create a stable version that he could expand upon, update, and add characters.

I have had conversation with others in that thread (do a search) about how hard its to edits/mods to the game. There is a discussion in that thread from one of the mod makers saying it took around 72 lines of codes changes to make a simple dialogue change. I did some attempted modding and the code was such a mess I gave up after about of week on and off attempting what should have been fairly simple

To be transparent I stopped paying attention to the game with the introduction of squirrel girl.

And the fact that a guy on this forum managed to remake SU in Ren'Py
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You know whats easy to do (by the right person)? Take a 10 year old game and be able reproduce their work. The Chinese have made a whole industries from it. The project management is complete, the art is complete, the game engine, and other tools have evolved,

Gunsmoke doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as excuses go.
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I think you have some misconception that I'm defending GSG. I'm not, I think they have made some less than stellar decisions, some that they might even agree upon. But at the same time I understand that amateur porn game development isn't easy. Especially one that is walking a fine legal line of parody, has already received at least one C&D letter, and who knows what other porn-based legal issues. I also know that Unity is far more powerful than renpy. Which Renpy labels itself as the visual novel engine. Then lets add the personal factor working 10 years on same project is bound to have some fatigue and life events that have had some impact on such a small team of 2-3 core team members with another 1-3 contractors trying to produce monthly content. Its upfor debate if they have succefully accomplished that and more debated for the last 10 years.
 
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Erebus69 said:
I like yall being more honest and less confrontational then we saw a couple years go. Now about about your AI usage hahaha I kid I kid
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Careful now, I got Sam on speed dial for AI complaints ;). Lot's of people enjoyed the trolling of the trolls before, now they are all ignored or have been banned.

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As others already have said - Doomination, Behind the Doom, hell, even Rogue-like Evolution all show that you are very, very wrong.
And the fact that a guy on this forum managed to remake SU in Ren'Py without the budget or the funding additionally shows that Gunsmoke doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as excuses go. Just admit you have coded yourself into a corner by stubbornly refusing to switch to an objectively better system when that was still feasible (at any point in development, honestly) and instead are now making excuses about how "plot" has made us focus on "other things" instead of, y'know, updating the MAIN FUCKING GAME.
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I don't believe you know we released an SU rebuild in Ren'py that was cell complete with several events on July 24th 2023. Since then we have updated it four times with more content. We have been steadily optimizing the content currently in order to pack in more. And are currently testing the fifth release.

I can understand how it gets glossed over here because it's not on PC, and I have stated many times to catch up to SU Unity back on July 24th 2023 would have taken 1.5 more years. We chose to go with Android because it was the single most requested item for over five years, and many of those requests were from users on this thread.

We have surpassed over 100k downloads just on itch.io. I'm sure this thread doubls that.

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What the fuck are you talking about Rouge-like came out about the same time as SU. It's code was/is an absolute piece of shit and that is/was so poorly coded that the dev has had to release MULTIPLE patches that he says aren't worth playing because of the bugs. It has taken YEARS for him create a stable version that he could expand upon, update, and add characters.
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Oni launched Rogue like a year before we even joined Patreon.
 
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Gunsmoke Games said:
Careful now, I got Sam on speed dial for AI complaints ;). Lot's of people enjoyed the trolling of the trolls before, now they are all ignored or have been banned.



I don't believe you know we released an SU rebuild in Ren'py that was cell complete with several events on July 24th 2023. Since then we have updated it four times with more content. We have been steadily optimizing the content currently in order to pack in more. And are currently testing the fifth release.

I can understand how it gets glossed over here because it's not on PC, and I have stated many times to catch up to SU Unity back on July 24th 2023 would have taken 1.5 more years. We chose to go with Android because it was the single most requested item for over five years, and many of those requests were from users on this thread.

We have surpassed over 100k downloads just on itch.io. I'm sure this thread doubls that.



Oni launched Rogue like a year before we even joined Patreon.
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When you mean Cell complete, like every heroine has nickname options as for some reason?, Lois, Black Canary, Artemis won’t give me options for nicknames. (I felt like with the nicknames where they call Lex anything you want, it’s like a sign they’ve been fully corrupted) but there’s some that haven’t reached there, I understand with Cheshire, there’s an event you have to do with Talia and the League of Shadows(although it’s tricky to trigger that as Ive completed Cheshire cell content and yet Talia hasn’t shown up after the couple of times,and I imagine with Wonder Woman, you have to do the Themyscira event to unlock her nickname options. But I’m not sure with Hawkgirl,Black Canary,Artemis or Lois though. Even for Mercy.

Unless there’s something I’m missing of course. (Also with Harley, every time I ask her to give Lex a nickname, after the scene and a day later, she just goes back to ’Mister L’.

Also there was a save when Terra is gone, and you have to clone her but there’s some that was no option in the cloning section to clone her which confused me.
 
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CorruptedSuperwoman said:
When you mean Cell complete, like every heroine has nickname options as for some reason?, Lois, Black Canary, Artemis won’t give me options for nicknames. (I felt like with the nicknames where they call Lex anything you want, it’s like a sign they’ve been fully corrupted) but there’s some that haven’t reached there, I understand with Cheshire, there’s an event you have to do with Talia and the League of Shadows(although it’s tricky to trigger that as Ive completed Cheshire cell content and yet Talia hasn’t shown up after the couple of times,and I imagine with Wonder Woman, you have to do the Themyscira event to unlock her nickname options. But I’m not sure with Hawkgirl,Black Canary,Artemis or Lois though. Even for Mercy.

Unless there’s something I’m missing of course. (Also with Harley, every time I ask her to give Lex a nickname, after the scene and a day later, she just goes back to ’Mister L’.

Also there was a save when Terra is gone, and you have to clone her but there’s some that was no option in the cloning section to clone her which confused me.
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Our Android version (in Ren'py) is a 1:1 copy of SU Unity, with some quality of life improvements. It currently is missing the Bordello and some events, and we're currently testing an update. As well our SU:Android has been free to the public since launch!

*Note: We ran into hard limitations on Android currently. So for any new piece of content to go in, we need to optimize a bunch of content. We had no idea this limitation existed until we ran right into it. But our goal is to have a 1:1 Android:SU version out.

Our last update was in Nov:
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Gunsmoke Games said:
Our Android version (in Ren'py) is a 1:1 copy of SU Unity, with some quality of life improvements. It currently is missing the Bordello and some events, and we're currently testing an update. As well our SU:Android has been free to the public since launch!

*Note: We ran into hard limitations on Android currently. So for any new piece of content to go in, we need to optimize a bunch of content. We had no idea this limitation existed until we ran right into it. But our goal is to have a 1:1 Android:SU version out.

Our last update was in Nov:
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I apologise,I should have clarified. I mean with the windows version,not android.
 
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CorruptedSuperwoman said:
I apologise,I should have clarified. I mean with the windows version,not android.
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Yes, and and I will just repeat what we have said before. When we went to rebuild SU in Ren'py we had two options. Either build it specifically for Android or for PC. The reason is that the image formats in SU are not standardized and the controls and layout were built for PC. We decided to address the number one concern from this thread at the time, and many other questions and move towards Android. This rebuild took two years full time to get to a stage of release.

To compare, if we were to have chosen to go PC on the rebuild we estimated we wouldn't catch up to SU until the end of this year, or mid next year. These were the estimates based after six months of progress in 2021. It was a much better idea to focus on something we could get out quicker. We now use the events in Ren'py as a solution to the exceedingly long rebuild timeframe. We can have a event put together in a few months (we have several already built out in Ren'py unreleased).

So I tip my hat to Mendoza and his continous attempt to rebuild as a faithful adaptation. The sheer volume of assets, and the fact that he has to rip them from the game (we use source files) means his workflow is far more tedious than ours was, and it took us two years to get out the Android rebuild.
 
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And is the art getting shittier also part of a quicker release or...?
The problem, btw, is also not only in Unity being used as the source - that is a problem, but if you already begun doing things there, fair.

The problem(s) - as I have outlined them throughout this very thread - are various. Focusing on only one of them doesn't immediately save you from criticism.

Erebus69 said:
I have had conversation with others in that thread (do a search) about how hard its to edits/mods to the game.
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And that's relevant to this conversation how, exactly? Nobody is out there modding SU either, btw. The rebuild is there, sure, but that isn't modding.
 
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Mishanya1004 said:
And is the art getting shittier also part of a quicker release or...?
The problem, btw, is also not only in Unity being used as the source - that is a problem, but if you already begun doing things there, fair.

The problem(s) - as I have outlined them throughout this very thread - are various. Focusing on only one of them doesn't immediately save you from criticism.
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I'm sorry if there wasn't clarity on my response. I will do my best to address some of your concerns in your previous message.

Mishanya1004 said:
As others already have said - Doomination, Behind the Doom, hell, even Rogue-like Evolution all show that you are very, very wrong.
And the fact that a guy on this forum managed to remake SU in Ren'Py without the budget or the funding additionally shows that Gunsmoke doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as excuses go.
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I addressed this by saying we have worked in Ren'py and currently are as well. Our Android build is much further along than Mendoza's PC rebuild. We also have Themyscira, Gotham, and Halloween events all in Ren'py for PC, Mac, Android, and Web.

Mishanya1004 said:
Just admit you have coded yourself into a corner by stubbornly refusing to switch to an objectively better system when that was still feasible (at any point in development, honestly)
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Ren'py wasn't even considered a viable option for rebuilding SU until 2021. We explored another rebuild which fell apart due to the programmer being let go because of poor performance. This was in Unity and announced (I believe that was 2017-2018). So we haven't refused to switch at all, we have worked to find replacements for years. But we were not going to toss $20K+ on another rebuild that wouldn't come out. We also had an abandoned Scooby project with Newman which we poured over $60k into with zero return. I hope you can empthasize our hesitance to just jump into a 4+ year project again without carfully vetting the person to take it on. Especially considering this would cost well over $150k+

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and instead are now making excuses about how "plot" has made us focus on "other things" instead of, y'know, updating the MAIN FUCKING GAME.
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Plot focus was because of direct complaints from this thread. In 2022 and the majority of 2023 the main complaint of this thread was unfinished events and lack of plot. We took that seriously with Themyscira, and now with Gotham. We even just released the plan for the final two events leading to the plot finale. These complaints were about the main game, as there was no events in Ren'py. I can understand not following the timelines here as the thread is massive.

I hope this addresses your concerns.
 
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