To be fair "not a lot of money" is subjective and depends on where and how you live. But i still think that it is a significant sum of money for many people out there (me included). But again, if he can convince people to pay him that... well... good on him... and / or shame on the people.
Unreal Engine Sorceress Tale [v2024-06-25] [Mithos56]
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The game started promising but hasn't done anything in years. All the game had to do was make more sex animations and everyone would have been happy to walk around and fuck monsters. Instead he wastes so much time on working on "game mechanics" as if anyone cares about the gameplay really.
I'm surprised, really. Not by the fact that it's taken five years so far, but by the fact that you expected it to be done in that time. I've come to expect "promising" porn games to take years and years and years or to be stuck in development hell indefinitely until abandoned. This situation is nothing new to me, sadly.
- Jul 22, 2017
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he can get 2000 bucks per month, I do not know why peoples still Pat him when he make the game slowly, Amazing!
He guys, i just want to remember you that you all could give him some feedback on patreon, even without giving him money. Just leave a comment under his last post.
And if your comment him for beeing lazy / lame i would give you backup
And if your comment him for beeing lazy / lame i would give you backup
Well the primary reasons for not much progress after 5 years are:
1. He rebuilt the entire game map / level, three times. First was a linear experience, focusing on quick action, no puzzle solving and limited platforming. Second was a procedurally generated experience with randomized sections. Third is the current incarnation, of another linear experience but heavy on puzzle solving and platforming.
2. He rebuilt how spells are cast, three times. First was a simple point and blast spell system. Second was a more involved spell wheel, but was still in some ways simple enough to understand. Third is the current incarnation, where it is very involved, needlessly complex and requires drawing the spell to cast it; I personally hate this system.
3. He rebuilt your basic attack, three times. First was a simple magic bolt that you fired from your fingertips at low mana/when no spell was selected. Second, was a dagger that replaced it. Third, is a more involved dagger attack (not sure the point as spells are the main focus) and the really shitty 6 shooter pistol, which feels totally out of place.
4. He rebuilt the charm system, four times. First was a simple, aim at a target and hit e once, to charm them and then they would follow or attack enemies for you, or you could click them to have sex. Second was a QTE click fest, where you hit E a lot to slowly charm them and of course getting attacked totally interrupts this. Third was a charm cloud, that sometimes charmed enemies and sometimes they totally ignored it. Fourth is the current incarnation.
5. He added in some cool spells, spent a lot of time on making them useful, and then took most of them away. Current spells are of course much "flashier" but overall we have lost a lot of interesting spells.
Then of course there is the issue of working on animations for an enemy type, then removing them from the game (ie tentacles, the giant, the fish people, and plants). Or redesigning the movement system heavily; like you used to be able to climb objects back in the procedural generation build... can't do that anymore. Or redesigning the patreon sandbox map, several times.
Honestly the guy is a pro at wasting time. If he had stuck with the first incarnation of each game system, the game would be pretty much finished at this point. But no, he has to rebuild everything from scratch every 12-18 months, which negates all of that progress during that time. Maybe it will pay off in the future, but thus far, I don't see him getting finished anytime soon. Like seriously, UE6 will be out sooner than this game will get finished if he keeps "redesigning the wheel".
1. He rebuilt the entire game map / level, three times. First was a linear experience, focusing on quick action, no puzzle solving and limited platforming. Second was a procedurally generated experience with randomized sections. Third is the current incarnation, of another linear experience but heavy on puzzle solving and platforming.
2. He rebuilt how spells are cast, three times. First was a simple point and blast spell system. Second was a more involved spell wheel, but was still in some ways simple enough to understand. Third is the current incarnation, where it is very involved, needlessly complex and requires drawing the spell to cast it; I personally hate this system.
3. He rebuilt your basic attack, three times. First was a simple magic bolt that you fired from your fingertips at low mana/when no spell was selected. Second, was a dagger that replaced it. Third, is a more involved dagger attack (not sure the point as spells are the main focus) and the really shitty 6 shooter pistol, which feels totally out of place.
4. He rebuilt the charm system, four times. First was a simple, aim at a target and hit e once, to charm them and then they would follow or attack enemies for you, or you could click them to have sex. Second was a QTE click fest, where you hit E a lot to slowly charm them and of course getting attacked totally interrupts this. Third was a charm cloud, that sometimes charmed enemies and sometimes they totally ignored it. Fourth is the current incarnation.
5. He added in some cool spells, spent a lot of time on making them useful, and then took most of them away. Current spells are of course much "flashier" but overall we have lost a lot of interesting spells.
Then of course there is the issue of working on animations for an enemy type, then removing them from the game (ie tentacles, the giant, the fish people, and plants). Or redesigning the movement system heavily; like you used to be able to climb objects back in the procedural generation build... can't do that anymore. Or redesigning the patreon sandbox map, several times.
Honestly the guy is a pro at wasting time. If he had stuck with the first incarnation of each game system, the game would be pretty much finished at this point. But no, he has to rebuild everything from scratch every 12-18 months, which negates all of that progress during that time. Maybe it will pay off in the future, but thus far, I don't see him getting finished anytime soon. Like seriously, UE6 will be out sooner than this game will get finished if he keeps "redesigning the wheel".
- Jan 14, 2018
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To be fair he pretty much said he uses the project to learn as well. And at least his Patreon is a lot more transparent than a lot of others'.
Well there is nothing wrong with learning and experimenting. However, most sane developers will fork the main build and build a small prototype to test out a feature, rather than rebuild everything from scratch, in order to test a new feature. That way if players don't like it or it doesn't work like you intended, you don't have to spend hours to days, ripping it out of the main build.
Agreed. Although I have no clue how the dev actually manages stuff like that. For all I know he does work with branches like that, but reverts the changes at a later point when all is already merged. Whether he's not working with branches or he's reverting the work after the fact manually, it's silly either way.
Tbf hes one of the most out front people i have seen and he admits to using this as a pure learning experience that price is more from people wanting the models he makes for the game....
That dos not mean this is right or wrong tho its just that there is a lack of info for new people who come in late. This Porn game is legit him just learning and sharing what he has learned or made every week.
That dos not mean this is right or wrong tho its just that there is a lack of info for new people who come in late. This Porn game is legit him just learning and sharing what he has learned or made every week.
- May 25, 2017
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That might be the problem: people don't know that they are paying him to learn and not make a game. I mean, his patreon says that he wants to be making adult oriented games full-time. Not learn Unreal Engine full-time...
Thats the problem with human nature, We fill in the blanks with what WE want to see. oh it says he HOPES to make adult games full time, that must mean he is focused on nothing but getting games made and out to get more people into his work.....
If you go the early posts he admits fully and IF u check in like every 3rd update he thanks people for letting him make money so he can learn to code and make models
P.S this might have changed but if it has it is fairly recent, i only just recently stopped watching his updates.
- May 25, 2017
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Problem with that statement is the very first line of the Patreon description:
"I'm working on creating an adult oriented adventure game, and I'd love to be able to do it full time!"
I agree that if you look hard enough you can deduce he is not so focused on the final game. But the fact that you need to do some detective work to find that out is akin to a fine print on a contract, no? I mean his poster front and center shows the lewds and not the "support my learning" slogan.
So just finished playing the demo and it seems like it has a lot of potential. Hopefully there will be another release in the near term.
Might be cool to add a feature like when she has them charmed, she can take advantage of them, vs having to masturbate and have them jump on her for sex. Or maybe even use charmed enemy's to screw other npcs to distract them while she runs through an area or completes a puzzle.
Anyway, good base, hope to see more.
Might be cool to add a feature like when she has them charmed, she can take advantage of them, vs having to masturbate and have them jump on her for sex. Or maybe even use charmed enemy's to screw other npcs to distract them while she runs through an area or completes a puzzle.
Anyway, good base, hope to see more.
It's been a while since I played this game, but you can use charmed enemies for other stuff than sex IIRC. They could attack other enemies. Although I don't remember that being all that reliable.
I have to disagree. Sure, they're comparable in terms of the rate at which they deliver a product (but which Patreon funded hentai game isn't?), but at least Mithos isn't making any false promises and is actually sort of transparent about what he's doing. Meanwhile Eromancer is still working on their "small" project that was supposed to give them the means to finish Malise and the Machine, which we all know is never happening.