VN Ren'Py Completed Sorcery of Lust [Epilogue] [DignifiedPerversion]

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Mormont

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Yeah, it's not burns it's actually the MC just being hairy I think he is going for that Yeti look :p
 

Steinchen

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the ending is no ending in my point of view and was a waste of time making it

weren´t there more that just 6 girls there??
i thought there where 7 or 8 ???
i dont´t know for sure

and in the ending the twins are now both Lesbians WTF???
1 of them was lesbian and has been made bisexual from the MC and the other one was bi or Straight i don´t know for sure.They played that confusing game with the mc and now both are pure lesbians before beeing manipulated???
the not pure lesbian twin wanted to jump the MC bones every time they´ve met and now she is Lesbian and she want´s to be set free?? Really???
where is that even coming from that the woman now wanted to be set free.They where fully corrupted and enslaved by the mc and now they talking with a "free will" out of the blue??

well that ending was dissapointing and a waste of time for me

@ DignifiedPerversion

you really should have asked around here for ideas before making it when you where lacking of ideas for an proper ending.
 
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The Krypt Angel

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the ending is no ending in my point of view and was a waste of time making it

weren´t there more that just 6 girls there??
i thought there where 7 or 8 ???
i dont´t know for sure

and in the ending the twins are now both Lesbians WTF???
1 of them was lesbian and has been made bisexual from the MC and the other one was bi or Straight i don´t know for sure.They played that confusing game with the mc and now both are pure lesbians before beeing manipulated???
the not pure lesbian twin wanted to jump the MC bones every time they´ve met and now she is Lesbian and she want´s to be set free?? Really???
where is that even coming from that the woman now wanted to be set free.They where fully corrupted and enslaved by the mc and now they talking with a "free will" out of the blue??

well that ending was dissapointing and a waste of time for me

@ DignifiedPerversion

you really should have asked around here for ideas before making it when you where lacking of ideas for an proper ending.
At least one of the twins was a lesbian to begin with before you mindfucked her
 

kzk0987

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Do the choices affect anything? I know the ending doesn't change from the rage in the previous comments, but there are several choices I didn't take (and checked didn't lead to a game over) that could have taken some scenes in other direction.
 

assman1337

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Do the choices affect anything? I know the ending doesn't change from the rage in the previous comments, but there are several choices I didn't take (and checked didn't lead to a game over) that could have taken some scenes in other direction.
choices matter in case u want to bone a chick or not
 

FFTW

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I agree with everyone else. Despite its flaws(short scenes, not much descriptions for the H parts) I had enjoyed the game, but the ending was really awful. it was really sudden and ended not with a bang but with a whimper, and it makes no sense for the girls who had literally done anything he wanted all this time and were fully under his control and enjoyed every minute to suddenly decide "f*** you I am leaving!". not to mention that chapter 7 clearly teased a rematch between the demoness and him only for that to be thrown out the window. if that rematch had taken place and ended up with him defeating and controlling the demoness and celebrating the victory with his girls that would have been a very fitting place to end it. instead it ended with a KOTOR 2 caliber ending.
 
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kzk0987

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I will never understand why so many western Mind Control games have this weird 180º right at the end where the protagonist who was gleefully brainwashing and enslaving everyone has a change of heart and sets them free, or his powers stop working, or there's some dumb twist like "oh but actually the girls loved him from the start and all the mind-controlled rape just brought it out!" and so on.
It's like they don't understand at all why people who are into this particular form of mind control find it arousing. Which is weird because I'd assume people making mind control games are into mind control themselves.
 

ubblesnop

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I will never understand why so many western Mind Control games have this weird 180º right at the end where the protagonist who was gleefully brainwashing and enslaving everyone has a change of heart and sets them free, or his powers stop working, or there's some dumb twist like "oh but actually the girls loved him from the start and all the mind-controlled rape just brought it out!" and so on.
It's like they don't understand at all why people who are into this particular form of mind control find it arousing. Which is weird because I'd assume people making mind control games are into mind control themselves.
In this case, it all seems pretty clear. We’re watching a kinky dev struggle with the fact that he has desires but feels ashamed of them. It’s in his username — DignifiedPerversion — and it’s in the lecturing tone from the very first scenes; it’s in the very vanilla activities the protag engages in: “I have total control over this woman’s mind! Why don’t I [rubs hands together gleefully] HAVE SEX WITH HER!” It’s there when the female demon takes control of the girls; in contrast to our hero’s GENTLER, KINDER BDSM, the demon chick puts the ladies in heavy bondage, and even (gasp!) leaves bruises on their butts! All of this is WRONG, the Dev thinks; the developer thinks everything must be kept mild, because even a touch of edginess would cross his personal delicate line between “dignified perversion” and demonic abuse.
 

kzk0987

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In this case, it all seems pretty clear. We’re watching a kinky dev struggle with the fact that he has desires but feels ashamed of them. It’s in his username — DignifiedPerversion — and it’s in the lecturing tone from the very first scenes; it’s in the very vanilla activities the protag engages in: “I have total control over this woman’s mind! Why don’t I [rubs hands together gleefully] HAVE SEX WITH HER!” It’s there when the female demon takes control of the girls; in contrast to our hero’s GENTLER, KINDER BDSM, the demon chick puts the ladies in heavy bondage, and even (gasp!) leaves bruises on their butts! All of this is WRONG, the Dev thinks; the developer thinks everything must be kept mild, because even a touch of edginess would cross his personal delicate line between “dignified perversion” and demonic abuse.
It's so weird how many devs seem to get hung up with that. One would think someone willing to develop fetish porn games already have their feelings on the matter sorted out. I mean, people seem desperate to try to justify why they enjoy those fetishes in the games themselves, which, as they're geared to a fetishistic audience, will often just cause disconnect. People need to make peace with the fact that erotic fantasies are just that, fantasies, and that they enjoying non-consensual erotic play says absolutely nothing about their morals or beliefs in day-to-day life.

One game that comes to mind that really fucked itself with this is The Gift. The original version and the first part of the remake were fun mind control games that were all about slowly changing the girls mindset over various interactions until the point they willingly become sex slaves. Then in a very sudden and jarring manner the game starts bending itself backwards to justify the protagonist's actions and how much he really loves the girls and that his brainwashing is not really brainwashing because he is making their lives better and from there on the mind control aspect is treated in the most unsexy way possible, so much so that a few people ended up liking the villain more for how ruthlessly he uses his powers over the girls.
There's also one game that has the protagonist use Brainwash of his own to "free" the girls from the villainess more evil brand of brainwashing and it is totally super consensual and wholesome. FFS.
Sorcery of Lust's ending feels very similar to those examples, both in the last chapter and the epilogue. Though it's still not as insulting.

Also, how common it is for devs of games that are, all things considered, rather tame to freak out and try to write in all these justifications almost like they're afraid of being called perverts or something just shows how the western erotic games scene is still doing baby steps and really has a long way ahead of itself before being anything really worthwhile.
I mean, this need to emphasize how "morally justified" fucking mind control of all things actually is looks just laughable when you compare with the genre in Japan which tends to fully acknowledge that the protagonist is turning the girls into little more than sex toys for entirely selfish and twisted reasons, yet doesn't try to make a pity party out of it.

I'm sorry about all this venting and I realize it's not 100% related to this game's discussion but it's just so frustrating to have this happen again and again.
 

DignifiedPerversion

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In this case, it all seems pretty clear. We’re watching a kinky dev struggle with the fact that he has desires but feels ashamed of them. It’s in his username — DignifiedPerversion — and it’s in the lecturing tone from the very first scenes; it’s in the very vanilla activities the protag engages in: “I have total control over this woman’s mind! Why don’t I [rubs hands together gleefully] HAVE SEX WITH HER!” It’s there when the female demon takes control of the girls; in contrast to our hero’s GENTLER, KINDER BDSM, the demon chick puts the ladies in heavy bondage, and even (gasp!) leaves bruises on their butts! All of this is WRONG, the Dev thinks; the developer thinks everything must be kept mild, because even a touch of edginess would cross his personal delicate line between “dignified perversion” and demonic abuse.
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make claims about my thoughts and opinions.

Several things that need to be kept in mind:
1) Patreon has rules that forbid rape being depicted.
2) Patreon booted a bunch of farther out there MC authors right as I was working on chapter 5. My wife is perfectly fine with me taking time to work on my stories as long as it isn't a drain on our budget. Since I need assets to produce my work if I get kicked from PAtreon I stop producing anything.
3) My own opinions on BDSM and those depicted by the main character in Sorcery of Lust are not the same. This story had always been meant to be on the milder side of that stuff.
4) The ending. I hate the ending too. I had some issues with production over the summer and what was meant to be a much more involved story got drastically shortened and that didn't please me. So I just ended it.
 

Rosen King

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It's like they don't understand at all why people who are into this particular form of mind control find it arousing.
Please keep in mind that there are a million different types of people who are into the same thing for a million different reasons. I swear, every game has some review or response talking about how there's only one reason the game should exist, or how the people who play the game only want one thing, and I'm getting pretty sick of it. I've got some criticisms of the game, too, but don't lump everyone together like that.
 

fkrfxr

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I am loving the game. good story good pics too bad it is over. I hope you have another something planned.
 

Spfjolietjake

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I enjoyed this game. Yeah the ending wasnt long enough, but I was entertained. BDSM lite but you cant have everything.
 

Pafa99

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here is my unofficial android port of Sorcery of Lust Epilogue.
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from now on my android ports of Ren'Py games have a 2nd, persistent save location like windows. if you uninstall an app, the save files and persistent data remain intact.
therefore the app needs the permission to access the public external storage, because it has to read and write outside its own external storage directories.
you have to grant the permission or the app is shut down.

have fun and please report problems (you can reach me ).
updated: 25.11.2019
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