VN Ren'Py Special Request: In the Web of Corruption [v2.3] [Nemiegs]

[doccop63]

You raise some good points. I've run through it twice, once on the Pride path and once on the Submission. The Pride path felt like it had a lot more room left to explore, probably because at this point it feels underexplored and underdeveloped compared to Submission. I didn't do a scene count or anything but Submission felt subjectively like it has a ton more content, and yeah, it does feel like it's nearly reached a logical conclusion unless

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The dev is aware that the hopelessness of Laura's plight is oppressive, which is why he includes so many surreally silly and comedic scenes. My personal preference would have been to give Laura a path to fight back and resist while remaining tonally consistent (maybe we'll see it in Special Request 2: Even Deeper in a More Corrupting Web of Corruption, and I really would love to see a sequel with different characters and a better title than the one I just invented). I really do think that letting Laura make legitimate progress against her persecutors would be a more effective way of lightening the mood than having non sequitur comedic interludes, but then apparently I'm the only one who finds those jarring so I won't climb up on that horse again.

That said, this is my favorite game going right now, and I'm looking forward to more.

I stated the same thing awhile back about letting Laura make Some kind of progress against her tormentors. The story was supposed to be about corruption true but, the corruption was instantly imposed, leading most reasonable people to believe that somewhere in the story, she could resolve who put her in that situation. Of Course, I had a couple of responses that thought I wanted an instant solution (which goes to show how much reading comprehension they had).
Even if it Is the submission route, if there's no chance for Laura to figure out who betrayed her from the start and make some legitimate progress, the story just becomes a weak sex fest which should dispense with any choices that she makes since the endgame is moot.

 

[Senor Smut]

Yeah, happens to me, too. We had a discussion with the developer and he also saw that he tried do incorporate too much into the game. He will cut it down from now on and also had other changes in mind. He sounded very reflected and I am giving him time to do so.

I also would have expected that this game will be done after 3 or 4 more updates, but he said that is just around midway.


Yeah, but they do not fit in. This game has a serious, almost dark theme. The comedic scenes are totally breaking immersion (as well as some other scenes). But I have to say I liked the bicicle-"lending"-scene.

But yeah, too much fat in all directions. And I think it is better to end a game in time instead of making all kinds of spin-offs to the main story in order to prolongue the journey. Better but all the ideas in a second game, without all the beginner-mistakes. But the developer said it will be better and fine from now on.

About the spiler: Try the flag next to the smilie.

I agree with your perceptions about this game being almost finished -- I don't know how much further the Submission route can even go. And to tell the truth, I'm more excited to see what the dev does with all the lessons learned in his next game. The whole blackmail/submission/resistance thing is very fertile ground and he's shown that he understand what makes it hot. I think wrapping up SR fairly quickly and getting on to a fresh canvas would give the best results.

But hey, I don't know what the guy has planned.

 

[zaqrwe]

I agree with your perceptions about this game being almost finished -- I don't know how much further the Submission route can even go. And to tell the truth, I'm more excited to see what the dev does with all the lessons learned in his next game. The whole blackmail/submission/resistance thing is very fertile ground and he's shown that he understand what makes it hot. I think wrapping up SR fairly quickly and getting on to a fresh canvas would give the best results.

But hey, I don't know what the guy has planned.

"Fairly quickly" would not be so bad, but I really hope it won't become "very quickly". I saw a fair share of games that were ended in a rush, disregarding much of the story to draw any sort of conclusion. I really hope this game will not become one of them.

Also the pride route would have potential to be expanded more, but from the other hand, it doesn't fit as much into to the whole blackmail thing as the submission does. Actually I think the game would look better as whole even without branching to Pride route, but instead with mentioned earlier progress in Laura's attempts to fight back. Because it would get rid of branch that just fit less in the genre, incorporate the actual investigating into main unavoidable story parts, and give the protagonist some of much appeciated relief over her situation. And to add to this, it would be less hassle for the dev, as he could stop writing entire separate branch. Branch which at the end of the day, is not so different from the main one, just less extensive, so in turn probably way less popular.

Well.. I'm also curious what ideas dev would have for the next game, and how much better it could be, but as for now, I want this one to be properly finished first.

 

[TimoF965]

Actually I think the game would look better as whole even without branching to Pride route, but instead with mentioned earlier progress in Laura's attempts to fight back.

I agree with leaving the pride route out of the game. It does not do that much for me (I have to say I have not played it far) even though it is always noce to have some (placebo-)choice. But leaving it would streamline the game a lot.

But if he would have left out all the "addons" like the crazy beach and park-events and the sex-clown, the game could have been quite long enough but not too long to now introduce her fighting back (partially) succesfull. I would not have wanted her to do that earlier with success... the failed help I really liked though.

And to tell the truth, I'm more excited to see what the dev does with all the lessons learned in his next game.

I am just afraid that the creator thinks he has this super cool setup, meta-plot and character, but he is afraid to end it because he does not know if his next idea will be good as well. Like staying in your current job that is ok and not trying to get the totally different but potentially much better job because you are afraid you will perform worse than expected or the seemingly better job might not be as good as expected.

But as you said: Let's hope he has something stunning up his sleeve.

 

[buktccbfc71]

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[SonsOfLiberty]

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Patreon blocked?

 

[Nemiegs]

I agree with leaving the pride route out of the game. It does not do that much for me (I have to say I have not played it far) even though it is always noce to have some (placebo-)choice. But leaving it would streamline the game a lot.
But if he would have left out all the "addons" like the crazy beach and park-events and the sex-clown, the game could have been quite long enough but not too long to now introduce her fighting back (partially) succesfull. I would not have wanted her to do that earlier with success... the failed help I really liked though.

I am just afraid that the creator thinks he has this super cool setup, meta-plot and character, but he is afraid to end it because he does not know if his next idea will be good as well. Like staying in your current job that is ok and not trying to get the totally different but potentially much better job because you are afraid you will perform worse than expected or the seemingly better job might not be as good as expected.
But as you said: Let's hope he has something stunning up his sleeve.

I see some good points here in this discussion. But let me give you a few insights. Before making the game, I made a decision not to extend it endlessly. However, I do not want to rush the ending. We are close to the end of week 5. The game will consist of 8 weeks in total. it means that the story will soon begin to narrow down and move to a conclusion. Also - I am already working on the next game, taking into account all my newbie mistakes with SR. It will not be a spinoff.

 

[buktccbfc71]

Patreon blocked?

THANKS FOR THE REPLY. In my country the site "Patreon" was blocked.

 

[Nemiegs]

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Public release on Sunday night/Monday morning. I will post it here too.

 

[buktccbfc71]

Public release on Sunday night/Monday morning. I will post it here to.

 

[wildride69]

I see some good points here in this discussion. But let me give you a few insights. Before making the game, I made a decision not to extend it endlessly. However, I do not want to rush the ending. We are close to the end of week 5. The game will consist of 8 weeks in total. it means that the story will soon begin to narrow down and move to a conclusion. Also - I am already working on the next game, taking into account all my newbie mistakes with SR. It will not be a spinoff.

Amazing "Newbie Mistakes" and you created one of the very best VN's on F95. Personally if this is your "Newbie" effort I can't wait to see your next project.

 

[Senor Smut]

I see some good points here in this discussion. But let me give you a few insights. Before making the game, I made a decision not to extend it endlessly. However, I do not want to rush the ending. We are close to the end of week 5. The game will consist of 8 weeks in total. it means that the story will soon begin to narrow down and move to a conclusion. Also - I am already working on the next game, taking into account all my newbie mistakes with SR. It will not be a spinoff.

This is all good stuff. I hope your next game will be exactly the game you want to make, without being influenced by any of us apes.

On an unrelated note, I hope the game you want to make will feature corruption and coercion.

 

[Geko1711]

I see some good points here in this discussion. But let me give you a few insights. Before making the game, I made a decision not to extend it endlessly. However, I do not want to rush the ending. We are close to the end of week 5. The game will consist of 8 weeks in total. it means that the story will soon begin to narrow down and move to a conclusion. Also - I am already working on the next game, taking into account all my newbie mistakes with SR. It will not be a spinoff.

Whatever house you've made or will make, I've always liked it, I've been following you since S.R. was only released in RPG, the single request I would like, is that it be only with a female protagonist.

 

[Nemiegs]

While I still have some unanswered questions about the next project, I can already tell this much—it will be about corruption and coercion and have a female protagonist. In fact I have made a model that I am sure by 90% I will use. You will see her in SR as I need some test renders and see where I still need to work on.

 

[Lac]

Nemiegs could you make it possible to roll back in the replays? That would be cool.

 

[Nemiegs]

Will

Nemiegs could you make it possible to roll back in the replays? That would be cool.

Will check for the v2.4

 

[Lac]

Will check for the v2.4

You're the man!

 

[zaqrwe]

Will

Will check for the v2.4

Since we're talking about bugs, two pages ago I described that 3rd week Sunday can be either completely skipped, or played twice. Will it be fixed in 2.3?

And since that time I found a second bug. There is the brothel event with Emily avaible in the evening, before her wedding. While playing Laura Pride, I went there, but the same event was also authomatically replayed 2 or three days later, and she still talked about her next day wedding, even tho when the replay occured, it already happened.

 

[Nemiegs]

Since we're talking about bugs, two pages ago I described that 3rd week Sunday can be either completely skipped, or played twice. Will it be fixed in 2.3?

And since that time I found a second bug. There is the brothel event with Emily avaible in the evening, before her wedding. While playing Laura Pride, I went there, but the same event was also authomatically replayed 2 or three days later, and she still talked about her next day wedding, even tho when the replay occured, it already happened.

Yes, noted. But will fix it by v2.4.

 

[Geko1711]

While I still have some unanswered questions about the next project, I can already tell this much—it will be about corruption and coercion and have a female protagonist. In fact I have made a model that I am sure by 90% I will use. You will see her in SR as I need some test renders and see where I still need to work on.

Nemiegs is in the mood today! Will it be a sandbox or a VN?
And I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you on the kinetic version, which starting from the beginning has dusted off things I had overlooked, forgotten about or too quickly, and as you wrote in the next version, it will be possible to teleport from one version to another with saves, which I think is very useful.