what does the envelope symbol mean, i got it by choosing the options "key" and "azami" in her max affection dialogue
found out you get it when you reject the girls, does anyone know what choosing to reject them does?
Green Key = Hidden behind the flower painting in the private room of the Head Maid.
Blue Key = Located on the left outside (destroy the tree), in the secret room look to the left for several seconds and a secret staircase will appear where you can find the key
The game would be solid if there was a way to trigger H events earlier, at least during a NewGame+, maxing heroines each time is an hassle. Also there's no difference in rushing a good end, or maxing the sub heroines and triggering a good end after having them maxed. This game would need at least another ending, not to mention some more CG for the Harem NTR.
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Welp. This circle really should rename themselves to Church of Fail... because man this game fails to deliver. Not really that surprising given every other one of their games that I've played, but we all know what they say about hope and all that...
Now, the thing is, the art is good, the idea isn't bad, the story isn't terrible. Honestly, there's really the making of a really great game in here... but like with other titles from this circle, the developer(s?) failed to really push the matter as much as they could.
That said, in this specific case, I have to wonder if there's some extra issues happening because of Saikey's translation and uncensoring... the former which is sorta passable while the latter I just don't care about. I mean, did the dev REALLY put in vaginal images for Azami? Or did Saikey fuck up? I ask this because Mashiro DOES have proper anal penetration in her first scene, so I kind of doubt the Dev would be THAT incompetent... But I wouldn't doubt Saikey fucking up when uncensoring and re-packing everything.
Who knows though? I'm not gonna dig around for a JP version just to check on that...
Most of the issues though come from the game itself, however.
As the overview says, McCuck-kun and his GF Azami infiltrate the UB Baron's Mansion as a butler and maid respectively with the express purpose of finding evidence of his misdeeds. The baron instantly takes a liking to Azami, and moves her up in a private room as a favorite maid, paired with the Head Maid. Favorite Maid in this case meaning that the girl in question is requested frequently for sexual services. Azami goes along with it for the sake of not rousing suspicion and keeping the baron distracted, while McCuck-kun is supposed to be able to move more freely and investigate things.
There's also 8 other maids and a couple of other random sluts for a total of 10 side characters that you can interact with. The maids in particular are at the Baron's beck and call and the prologue of sorts of the game establishes that he does fuck his maids and shows a scene of the Head Maid getting fucked by the Baron and apparently liking said dicking or at least pretending that she does.
It's a good set-up. You have to move around the mansion, talk with the other girls, try to get the evidence before the Baron does too much to Azami and/or the other girls...
However, as is typical for this circle, this is where things go wrong in terms of gameplay.
First, there's the fact that the supposed time limit is a lie. This is because the Baron only interacts with Azami (and initially just the Head Maid) at night, and every time he does this, you can go to the room where they're in, and there's a glowing spot on a wall nearby that you can use to either peak or Interrupt. Now, how the hell does the MC peek through walls and locked doors and the like is a mystery for another time... but the real problem is that there's no set-up or effort needed to interrupt the baron, no penalty for doing it over and over, no risk, nothing.
What this means is that whether the baron does anything to Azami or not (or any of the other girls, but more on that later), depends entirely on player choice. There is no gameplay or story incentive for you to allow anything to happen. Obviously, as the player, you're gonna want to make things happen because d'uh, it's an H-game and you're here for the smut. However, the fact that the NTR is pretty much completely detached from any gameplay and just depends on choices is terrible for anything except a classic VN.
The way the rest of the gameplay works is not much better. You have days split into 3 phases: morning, afternoon and night, and you can take exactly one action per phase. That action is to either inspect random locations or to talk/help one of the girls except Azami.
Talking is pretty useless. It just gives some random dialog, wastes time, and I think if affection is high enough, it can get the girls to give the MC a pair of panties (only the maids), which he can then share with the guard dude in the mansion courtyard. If you share a pair of panties from every maid except Azami, he gives you 3000 money... which you don't really need by the time you can get said money.
Helping the girls leads to some dialog and a three choice question which can raise their affection. This eventually leads to events that take up your morning slot, which raises their affection cap. The last of these events forces a date event at night which locks in your night slot. This is about the only time when you can't protect Azami, but that's not really that big of a deal either, aside from the fact that you might miss a peeping opportunity if you're going for unlocking scenes... but even that's not a big deal. ANYway, raising the affection of the girls leads you to clues at various points, though you can also find those clues by just randomly inspecting places, though that takes longer. Additionally, IF you max the affection of a girl and successfully navigate her date event (for the maids, not the 2 extras who are useless), then the maid in question will give you hints related to keys you need to find.
The best is the Head Maid btw, who can give you hints for ALL the clues for the Blue and Red key, while the Green key is pretty trivial to find with relatively few interactions with the other maids. Hell, I think you MIGHT be able to just find that one at random since it doesn't have any special gimmick, unlike the other 2 keys. Getting hints eats a time slot btw, so keep that in mind when using them... not that it matters much, because you don't really have a time limit.
Now, the affection system with the maids is the next issue. In the prologue, the game establishes that Orlando fucks his maids, particularly the Head Maid and now his interest is in Azami too. However, he makes NO MOVES on ANY of the other girls unless McCuck-kun maxes the affection of the girls in question AND fucks up their so called Date event that happens at max affection.
How do you fuck up the Date events? Well, that's easy. Each date event has the girl confessing her feelings to McCuck-kun, and then he has the choice to reciprocate said feelings or to reject them on account of the fact that he loves Azami and he's obviously not chad enough to have a harem. If McCuck-kun rejects them, the girls are all conveniently understanding and yada yada, and of course offer the aforementioned help where it's applicable. From what I've seen, the only one where this makes proper sense is the Head Maid, the other girls only had very minimal effort put into their motivations and interactions afterwards. If, however, McCuck-kun tells any of the girls that he loves them, the Baron magically shows up and Shit Happens that leads to the girls getting raped by said Baron, and then the girls refuse to talk with the MC anymore.
Now, even leaving aside the bit with Schrodinger's Baron who appears and disappears only depending on cucking requirements, the fact of the matter is that the way this is set-up only makes sense, again, with the Head Maid (and the extras, a bit), but every other maid doesn't really have a reason to stop talking with McCuck-kun. Not when they were explicitly raped and supposedly love him, and also not when there's supposed to be a Corruption mechanic where, if they keep getting raped by the UB, they enter a total corruption state and you get a second H-scene for the girls in question where they become totally addicted to cock yada yada.
All in all, it's REALLY shitty design.
This is made worse by the fact that each girl needs to be raped by the dude 5-6 more times in addition to the 1st time to reach total corruption state, and that doesn't really happen naturally much because the Baron fixates on calling Azami to his bed over any other girl most of the time, so if you want to get those scenes, you have to use the nun that ONLY appears in the morning to change which character he summons to fuck at night.
The problem there is that it takes a while to raise the affection of ALL the girls to max and even with fucking up their date events, you will gather ALL the clues for all 3 keys and likely the keys themselves looooooooooooong before you set-up the Baron to fuck all of them even once, much less reach total corruption state. At that point, all you have left to do is skipping the morning and afternoon phase and moving around at night to see events where applicable. It's horribly boring because you don't have anything to do, and it takes a while to skip 4-5 days or whatever until a given girl reaches the stage for the second scene, and this also means skipping out on Azami's stuff too.
Not that it's much better with Azami... Her scenes are divided by "body-part", where she has Mouth, Breasts, Pussy and Anal scenes. Each one has a training value, and each encounter with the Baron increases one of these by 2%. Thing is, there's milestones involved. So, the 1st scene obviously happens at 0% training value and raises it to 2%. After that, the next 2 nights with that body part trigger the same scene, and only once she reaches 6% will a new scene be unlocked, then again at 12%, 18% etc. What this means is that even with Azami, you have a LOT of days of nothing happening and collecting all of her scenes ALSO takes fucking forever. This is on top of the fact that the CGs for anal stuff are the same ones for vaginal stuff. Still dunno if the dev or Saikey fucked this up...
So contrary to what you'd expect of a NTR game, actually getting the NTR to happen takes F'n forever (you need 38% in a body part to be able to trigger the Azami bad ending, so even in the best case, this is at minimum 19 game days, but you won't be that lucky and there's at least 10 mandatory morning events that will prevent you from using the nun to change the targeted body-part). Unlike what you'd expect, you have to bend over backwards to make the NTR happen, especially for the side-girls. Again, there's no gameplay or story incentive to make ANY of it happen, which obviously makes it a terrible game.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Honestly. If not for the art and the fact that the scenes are decent, I wouldn't bother with this circle anymore. Because every single game they've made, they came up with a nice idea, then failed to really take it to the top, even when in some of those cases there's at least 1-2 examples of genuinely good games with the same premise.
This COULD have been a good game with some more effort. But instead we got a mediocre time waster with bugs that eventually became so boring that I just used the gallery unlock thing rather than play through to the end to unlock everything manually. Endings aren't in the gallery, but quite frankly, I don't care to see the so called NTR harem ending either. There's no point.
Maybe I'll revisit it and see that stuff later... but it's not very likely. Plenty of H-games to play out there. There's no particular reason to waste more time with this one.
Now, the thing is, the art is good, the idea isn't bad, the story isn't terrible. Honestly, there's really the making of a really great game in here... but like with other titles from this circle, the developer(s?) failed to really push the matter as much as they could.
That said, in this specific case, I have to wonder if there's some extra issues happening because of Saikey's translation and uncensoring... the former which is sorta passable while the latter I just don't care about. I mean, did the dev REALLY put in vaginal images for Azami? Or did Saikey fuck up? I ask this because Mashiro DOES have proper anal penetration in her first scene, so I kind of doubt the Dev would be THAT incompetent... But I wouldn't doubt Saikey fucking up when uncensoring and re-packing everything.
Who knows though? I'm not gonna dig around for a JP version just to check on that...
Most of the issues though come from the game itself, however.
As the overview says, McCuck-kun and his GF Azami infiltrate the UB Baron's Mansion as a butler and maid respectively with the express purpose of finding evidence of his misdeeds. The baron instantly takes a liking to Azami, and moves her up in a private room as a favorite maid, paired with the Head Maid. Favorite Maid in this case meaning that the girl in question is requested frequently for sexual services. Azami goes along with it for the sake of not rousing suspicion and keeping the baron distracted, while McCuck-kun is supposed to be able to move more freely and investigate things.
There's also 8 other maids and a couple of other random sluts for a total of 10 side characters that you can interact with. The maids in particular are at the Baron's beck and call and the prologue of sorts of the game establishes that he does fuck his maids and shows a scene of the Head Maid getting fucked by the Baron and apparently liking said dicking or at least pretending that she does.
It's a good set-up. You have to move around the mansion, talk with the other girls, try to get the evidence before the Baron does too much to Azami and/or the other girls...
However, as is typical for this circle, this is where things go wrong in terms of gameplay.
First, there's the fact that the supposed time limit is a lie. This is because the Baron only interacts with Azami (and initially just the Head Maid) at night, and every time he does this, you can go to the room where they're in, and there's a glowing spot on a wall nearby that you can use to either peak or Interrupt. Now, how the hell does the MC peek through walls and locked doors and the like is a mystery for another time... but the real problem is that there's no set-up or effort needed to interrupt the baron, no penalty for doing it over and over, no risk, nothing.
What this means is that whether the baron does anything to Azami or not (or any of the other girls, but more on that later), depends entirely on player choice. There is no gameplay or story incentive for you to allow anything to happen. Obviously, as the player, you're gonna want to make things happen because d'uh, it's an H-game and you're here for the smut. However, the fact that the NTR is pretty much completely detached from any gameplay and just depends on choices is terrible for anything except a classic VN.
The way the rest of the gameplay works is not much better. You have days split into 3 phases: morning, afternoon and night, and you can take exactly one action per phase. That action is to either inspect random locations or to talk/help one of the girls except Azami.
Talking is pretty useless. It just gives some random dialog, wastes time, and I think if affection is high enough, it can get the girls to give the MC a pair of panties (only the maids), which he can then share with the guard dude in the mansion courtyard. If you share a pair of panties from every maid except Azami, he gives you 3000 money... which you don't really need by the time you can get said money.
Helping the girls leads to some dialog and a three choice question which can raise their affection. This eventually leads to events that take up your morning slot, which raises their affection cap. The last of these events forces a date event at night which locks in your night slot. This is about the only time when you can't protect Azami, but that's not really that big of a deal either, aside from the fact that you might miss a peeping opportunity if you're going for unlocking scenes... but even that's not a big deal. ANYway, raising the affection of the girls leads you to clues at various points, though you can also find those clues by just randomly inspecting places, though that takes longer. Additionally, IF you max the affection of a girl and successfully navigate her date event (for the maids, not the 2 extras who are useless), then the maid in question will give you hints related to keys you need to find.
The best is the Head Maid btw, who can give you hints for ALL the clues for the Blue and Red key, while the Green key is pretty trivial to find with relatively few interactions with the other maids. Hell, I think you MIGHT be able to just find that one at random since it doesn't have any special gimmick, unlike the other 2 keys. Getting hints eats a time slot btw, so keep that in mind when using them... not that it matters much, because you don't really have a time limit.
Now, the affection system with the maids is the next issue. In the prologue, the game establishes that Orlando fucks his maids, particularly the Head Maid and now his interest is in Azami too. However, he makes NO MOVES on ANY of the other girls unless McCuck-kun maxes the affection of the girls in question AND fucks up their so called Date event that happens at max affection.
How do you fuck up the Date events? Well, that's easy. Each date event has the girl confessing her feelings to McCuck-kun, and then he has the choice to reciprocate said feelings or to reject them on account of the fact that he loves Azami and he's obviously not chad enough to have a harem. If McCuck-kun rejects them, the girls are all conveniently understanding and yada yada, and of course offer the aforementioned help where it's applicable. From what I've seen, the only one where this makes proper sense is the Head Maid, the other girls only had very minimal effort put into their motivations and interactions afterwards. If, however, McCuck-kun tells any of the girls that he loves them, the Baron magically shows up and Shit Happens that leads to the girls getting raped by said Baron, and then the girls refuse to talk with the MC anymore.
Now, even leaving aside the bit with Schrodinger's Baron who appears and disappears only depending on cucking requirements, the fact of the matter is that the way this is set-up only makes sense, again, with the Head Maid (and the extras, a bit), but every other maid doesn't really have a reason to stop talking with McCuck-kun. Not when they were explicitly raped and supposedly love him, and also not when there's supposed to be a Corruption mechanic where, if they keep getting raped by the UB, they enter a total corruption state and you get a second H-scene for the girls in question where they become totally addicted to cock yada yada.
All in all, it's REALLY shitty design.
This is made worse by the fact that each girl needs to be raped by the dude 5-6 more times in addition to the 1st time to reach total corruption state, and that doesn't really happen naturally much because the Baron fixates on calling Azami to his bed over any other girl most of the time, so if you want to get those scenes, you have to use the nun that ONLY appears in the morning to change which character he summons to fuck at night.
The problem there is that it takes a while to raise the affection of ALL the girls to max and even with fucking up their date events, you will gather ALL the clues for all 3 keys and likely the keys themselves looooooooooooong before you set-up the Baron to fuck all of them even once, much less reach total corruption state. At that point, all you have left to do is skipping the morning and afternoon phase and moving around at night to see events where applicable. It's horribly boring because you don't have anything to do, and it takes a while to skip 4-5 days or whatever until a given girl reaches the stage for the second scene, and this also means skipping out on Azami's stuff too.
Not that it's much better with Azami... Her scenes are divided by "body-part", where she has Mouth, Breasts, Pussy and Anal scenes. Each one has a training value, and each encounter with the Baron increases one of these by 2%. Thing is, there's milestones involved. So, the 1st scene obviously happens at 0% training value and raises it to 2%. After that, the next 2 nights with that body part trigger the same scene, and only once she reaches 6% will a new scene be unlocked, then again at 12%, 18% etc. What this means is that even with Azami, you have a LOT of days of nothing happening and collecting all of her scenes ALSO takes fucking forever. This is on top of the fact that the CGs for anal stuff are the same ones for vaginal stuff. Still dunno if the dev or Saikey fucked this up...
So contrary to what you'd expect of a NTR game, actually getting the NTR to happen takes F'n forever (you need 38% in a body part to be able to trigger the Azami bad ending, so even in the best case, this is at minimum 19 game days, but you won't be that lucky and there's at least 10 mandatory morning events that will prevent you from using the nun to change the targeted body-part). Unlike what you'd expect, you have to bend over backwards to make the NTR happen, especially for the side-girls. Again, there's no gameplay or story incentive to make ANY of it happen, which obviously makes it a terrible game.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Honestly. If not for the art and the fact that the scenes are decent, I wouldn't bother with this circle anymore. Because every single game they've made, they came up with a nice idea, then failed to really take it to the top, even when in some of those cases there's at least 1-2 examples of genuinely good games with the same premise.
This COULD have been a good game with some more effort. But instead we got a mediocre time waster with bugs that eventually became so boring that I just used the gallery unlock thing rather than play through to the end to unlock everything manually. Endings aren't in the gallery, but quite frankly, I don't care to see the so called NTR harem ending either. There's no point.
Maybe I'll revisit it and see that stuff later... but it's not very likely. Plenty of H-games to play out there. There's no particular reason to waste more time with this one.
There is no real NTR Harem Ending, there is something that they try to call a bad ending if you let all the girl's get NTR but it has no content, is completely void of anything interesting and is far more insulting to you as a player if anything.
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Wait, really? There's nothing in it? Not even a single CG with all the girls naked all over the UB Baron? Makes me glad I didn't bother trying to get it then...
Yep, the Baron supposedly has them strip in front of him but you only get to see it as RPGmaker characters but it doesn't go any further than that and there is nothing close to a sex scene dialogue or CG... And in that ending the Baron never finds out that Azami (the GF) is a spy since for some reason she and the other girls hide it from the Baron in that ending.
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Haaaah. I wish I was surprised... but I'm really not. This dev really is a master at failing. So far, every game they made has had major issues, I genuinely have no idea how they're so highly rated on dlsite... They're always 3.5 star material at best. Granted, dunno for sure about their latest one, the one with the village, but I expect I shall once more be disappointed when I get to it eventually.
Great premise. The girl can cheat a fair bit and still not get locked in to a NTR route. The problem i guess is at the end she acts like she hasn't done anything when the baron took her virginity. I'd expect she'd be a bit reluctant to go to bed with the protagonist, it's something that's not easy to explain i'd guess
How do I make this game run in Full Screen? It starts in in Windowed Mode & there no way to enable Full Screen in the options.