Steam lifts its ban on adult games!
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It could be a good thing or a bad thing, heavily dependent on how they handle it. First of all, they do say that nothing big will happen until they release these tools to make filtering out content easier, and since it's Valve, it could be a while. I wouldn't expect anything until next year at the least.
If and when that happens, I expect we'll know soon enough whether they really meant what they said, about allowing anything that wasn't illegal or trolling. If they allow anything with incest or loli, then I'll be surprised. If the tools they have don't work properly or they don't go far enough, there will be backlash by lazy parents who refuse to properly monitor their children's activities. We have tools to ensure that kids aren't playing games they aren't supposed to, but parents used to rarely take advantage of them and would get mad when they saw their kid playing a game they bought and were notified of.
It used to be worse, or maybe it's that parents are more lenient. If the system works properly, I guarantee that some parent will ignore any and all warnings about content, or worse, let their kid set up the profile, will put in their CC info and save it and then be pissed about how Steam let their kids download some porn game.
A lot of gamers will probably say that these parents are idiots, but I bet a lot of gamers will also be on the parent's side and say that steam shouldn't even be selling it in the first place, even behind a robust age gate with a perfect filtering system. But on the other hand I think over time the controversy will fade out. Or not. Maybe it could be like that time that Shower with your Dad Simulator got some controversy years after it was released. But that controversy also died down just as quickly as it began. If Valve actually follows through without excuses and stands their ground. Sure there will be grumbles. People will whine and throw tantrums, but like any child, once you get it into their head that they won't win anymore just by crying, they'll stop. That's a lesson that is far overdue for some of these people.
If and when that happens, I expect we'll know soon enough whether they really meant what they said, about allowing anything that wasn't illegal or trolling. If they allow anything with incest or loli, then I'll be surprised. If the tools they have don't work properly or they don't go far enough, there will be backlash by lazy parents who refuse to properly monitor their children's activities. We have tools to ensure that kids aren't playing games they aren't supposed to, but parents used to rarely take advantage of them and would get mad when they saw their kid playing a game they bought and were notified of.
It used to be worse, or maybe it's that parents are more lenient. If the system works properly, I guarantee that some parent will ignore any and all warnings about content, or worse, let their kid set up the profile, will put in their CC info and save it and then be pissed about how Steam let their kids download some porn game.
A lot of gamers will probably say that these parents are idiots, but I bet a lot of gamers will also be on the parent's side and say that steam shouldn't even be selling it in the first place, even behind a robust age gate with a perfect filtering system. But on the other hand I think over time the controversy will fade out. Or not. Maybe it could be like that time that Shower with your Dad Simulator got some controversy years after it was released. But that controversy also died down just as quickly as it began. If Valve actually follows through without excuses and stands their ground. Sure there will be grumbles. People will whine and throw tantrums, but like any child, once you get it into their head that they won't win anymore just by crying, they'll stop. That's a lesson that is far overdue for some of these people.
- Jun 10, 2017
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Perhaps is it because I'm near my fifties, but I don't really see the need for a second account just because of this. These games can't (will not be able to) be bought if you are underage, so what's the problem if you own them ? There's no shame to own them.
I understand that it can lead to some moral cases, like @carnalcardinal playing with his younger brother. He can end being exposed to mature content by error, but as long as you don't let it play without supervision (which should be mandatory with children), there's few risks.
In fact the only problem I see is the need of a filter for the content you can share with your family steam's account. Here, yes there's a problem. I don't care my children knowing that sometimes I play adult games, but it doesn't mean that I'm ready to let them play these games because they are part of the shared content ; well, in fact my younger being 17, it's not really a problem anymore for me, but that's the spirit of the problem.
In the end, aren't you (obviously not precisely you, it's a generic "you" here) passively propagating the problem ? As long as people playing these kind of games will feel the need to hide it, how can these games be accepted by the others ? I don't say that you should proudly claim it everywhere you go, just stop hiding it.
It's easier to say, "well, this content offended few people who reported it", when nobody stand to defend the said content ; and you can't do it if you feel the need to hide the fact that you own some of these games.
- Oct 3, 2017
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This here, I can agree on. Especially the last part, dont need to tell everyone that you enjoy those things, but dont go out of your way to hide it. Or worse, when the subject is discussed, dont lie about it just because its easy. That way others might also not come out with their real opinions. And im sure that affects a lot more people than one would think.
That also made me realize I should probably value the friends that actually dont lie about the stuff. Or maybe they are too lazy to make a second account to hide their crappy Sakura games on steam.
Just kidding about the crappy Sakura games. Well, kinda.
- Jun 10, 2017
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If each one in the discussion think he's the only one to play this kind of games, by default he will hide it.
Lately I was with some friends, and at some point the discussion was about Python. For once I participate and everyone was surprised (I tend to hate this language) and asked me what happened which changed my mind. Well, I said the truth, now that I mod Ren'py games I need to use it. To make it short, all of us play adult games from time to time... and never knew it even being friends since many years.
Obviously it's also a question of opportunities, but now that I think about it, I ask myself why we haven't done it before. This especially since we now, time to time, talk about the merits of the code of this or that game, like we always did for any kind of open source program before. So, we had a tons of opportunities but probably falsly felt like it wasn't an appropriate subject.
- May 2, 2018
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It's all well and good to be a self actualized person willing to broadcast your sexual activities to random people on the internet, but that's not the situation for everyone. Let your freak flag fly, go nuts. If people on my friend's list saw me playing a Sakura game, I'd never hear the end of it. Keep in mind not everyone on my friends list is an actual friend. It wouldn't be mean spirited, but I guarantee it would happen. That's just the type of people they are, I don't fault them for it. I also don't feel like having a philosophical debate defending playing porn games. One of the people on my Steam list is my brother, who is no saint, but would be perfectly happy to share this information with my religious parents just for the fun of it. There's a conversation I never want to have. It's not really shame so much as avoiding awkwardness. I'm perfectly happy to compartmentalize my life to give me the least hassle possible. I'm not some crusader for wider acceptance of porn games. I couldn't care less about convincing other people there's nothing wrong with them.
PAtreon is different than steam they had to ban incest becouse of paypal rules.....paypal sucks becouse its against porn start using VIsa or Mastercard they allow all kinds of shit
- Jan 5, 2018
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You should stop spamming and digging every post you see. Paypal isn't against porn, at least for now, the problem with patreon was paypal not wanting to get involved with incest, you can pay in different porn sites with paypal. If steam has to choose between paypal and porn games WITHOUT A SHRED OF A DOUBT I can assure you, they'll take paypal everyday.
- Nov 26, 2017
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I'm wondering whether Gaben saw the based Poles @ GoG courting the VN devs with promises of no censorship on adult patches and either didn't want GoG getting that competitive advantage over them or were actually inspired by GoG to join in and give the middle finger to the puritan fuckwits NCOSE (Christian group that initially took responsibility for the purge).
Regardless, the tears from NCOSE and SJW's (like Jim Sterling, Patrick Klepek and Ben Kuchera to name a few) were fucking hilarious. XD
Regardless, the tears from NCOSE and SJW's (like Jim Sterling, Patrick Klepek and Ben Kuchera to name a few) were fucking hilarious. XD
- May 28, 2017
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From this post:
Valve is set to start allowing uncensored adult games onto Steam. Well, some of them, anyway—starting with Dharker Studio’s lingerie-centric visual novel, Negligee: Love Stories.
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Valve is set to start allowing uncensored adult games onto Steam. Well, some of them, anyway—starting with Dharker Studio’s lingerie-centric visual novel, Negligee: Love Stories.
Today
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that the game—previously stuck in limbo while Valve sorted out tools that’d allow users to filter objectionable content—will be coming to Steam on Friday. The developer says it’ll be its “first ever 100% uncensored game on Steam” and added that there’s “no patch needed.”
- Sep 18, 2017
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I think you underestimate how big Steam is. Both Valve and Paypal are worth around 1.5B. PayPal can't bully Valve like they did with Patreon.
- May 29, 2018
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Will this circumvent patreon bans? Or will you still need patreon to use steam? Probably a dumb question.
Steam news is encouraging and we all hope for the best.
BUT! Once the gates open wide, we'll see a tsunami of games, many of which dealing with risky and on-the-edge content. In a month or so we might experience a wave of anger and protests against games with hidden loli, bestiality, incest, etc. stuff. Some so-called devs will be eager to post anything for a quick buck, break new rules and violently exploit Steam's new approach towards adult game content. What may happen next? Steam will make a poker face and put an even heavier iron curtain on adult content than before, excusing such measures by the protection of players from illegal and abusive stuff.
Let's all hope, that common sense prevails and adult game developers will prefer a wiser far-sighted approach when selling content on Steam. Fingers crossed!
BUT! Once the gates open wide, we'll see a tsunami of games, many of which dealing with risky and on-the-edge content. In a month or so we might experience a wave of anger and protests against games with hidden loli, bestiality, incest, etc. stuff. Some so-called devs will be eager to post anything for a quick buck, break new rules and violently exploit Steam's new approach towards adult game content. What may happen next? Steam will make a poker face and put an even heavier iron curtain on adult content than before, excusing such measures by the protection of players from illegal and abusive stuff.
Let's all hope, that common sense prevails and adult game developers will prefer a wiser far-sighted approach when selling content on Steam. Fingers crossed!
- Jun 1, 2017
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Um, why would they need patreon? Unless they need money while in development, then patreon is quite pointless.
Steam (in most cases) allows you to sell finished (or near finished) products. So people suddenly abandoning their game shouldn't be a problem.
And no, you don't need patreon to use steam.
I hope i understood your question correctly.
- Sep 18, 2017
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That makes no sense, since you have to actively OPT INTO these Games! So anyone who cries about "Oh look, these horrible Games show up on my Store has opted into seeing them and has no fucking right do cry about anything!
- Aug 22, 2018
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Patreon bent to Paypals rules because they had no choice, Valve is far bigger and Paypal can't afford to pull support from Steam.
Patreon relies on Paypal for a lot of it's funding, Steam doesn't.
- Jun 17, 2017
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Patreon DID have a choice, they simply chose to not create an extra payment tier to cover for the additional service fees for adult oriented content that the credit card companies like to impose due to the (allegedly) larger number of chargebacks.
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I guess I will revive this thread with this game being released on Steam:
It's summary on Steam: "This title features mature content that may not be suitable for all all audiences, including fictional depictions of graphic violence, polygamy, drug use, hypnotism, assault, and incest; both consensual and non-consensual graphic sexual scenes between adults featuring men and women, women with other women, multiple partners, machines, and fictional creatures."
It seems like typical Alicesoft game with rapish aproach and RPG systems. If it goes well anything can be sold there as Alicesoft is quite a huge player in erodev and they have a lot of extreme fetishes in their games. Maybe we can even expect Rance on Steam.
That's a good sign for devs like @Lust&Passion (A Wife & Mother), @T4bbo (Babysitter) and others with high enough quality to go for it, allowing them to develop their games in a much less restricting fashion than it is on Patreon for much bigger income.
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It's summary on Steam: "This title features mature content that may not be suitable for all all audiences, including fictional depictions of graphic violence, polygamy, drug use, hypnotism, assault, and incest; both consensual and non-consensual graphic sexual scenes between adults featuring men and women, women with other women, multiple partners, machines, and fictional creatures."
It seems like typical Alicesoft game with rapish aproach and RPG systems. If it goes well anything can be sold there as Alicesoft is quite a huge player in erodev and they have a lot of extreme fetishes in their games. Maybe we can even expect Rance on Steam.
That's a good sign for devs like @Lust&Passion (A Wife & Mother), @T4bbo (Babysitter) and others with high enough quality to go for it, allowing them to develop their games in a much less restricting fashion than it is on Patreon for much bigger income.