Steam now requires ages verification for adult games.

[morphnet]

For the people that say the same thing in every thread, if they already had all your info, they wouldn't be asking. This is an escalation. Also, it's the parent's job to do any of this. The government is incompetent, and the implementation of this stuff will reflect that. The social media site X was already handing your info to Israel with their implementation. I wonder if that was for our safety.

What exactly do you think they are going to do with your card info? None of you are important enough on a global scale for anyone to care what you pay to fap to...

If this is ok, then next will be restricting access to games with violence or crime.

This has already been covered MANY MANY times... no they won't.

But then what if there is a new bill to verify that a person is 13+ to play violent games, What then? submit gradecards? It will keep getting absurd. There is already laws that kids shouldn't play these games, but that responsibility is in the hands of the parents, not the gov.

It's the parents job to look after the personal side of things, it's the governments job to look after the business side of things, always has been always will be. Parents should teach their kids to look both ways when crossing a road but the government still paints cross walks...

Steam might be trying to do everything it can to not require people to upload ID, due to the inherent risks of doing so.

You are right and they say so in the link his post had.

"Privacy and security
Among all age assurance mechanisms reviewed by Valve, this process preserves the maximum degree of user privacy. "

Same can be said about being online in few years, "Talking in townsquare required you to show your face and identify, just show your ID to speak online now, Why the same people think they should not have to do the exact same online is ridiculous. "

The situations are completely different and you should know it. If you don't see that, then you are part of the problem.

 

[Count Morado]

None of you are important enough on a global scale for anyone to care what you pay to fap to...

and everything else in his post.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

You are right and they say so in the link his post had.

"Privacy and security
Among all age assurance mechanisms reviewed by Valve, this process preserves the maximum degree of user privacy. "

Figured. And, I mean, it's Steam. It's not only the most private, it's also the most applicable. I'm sure some haven't even noticed the restriction.

 

[Rutonat]

If this is ok, then next will be restricting access to games with violence or crime.

Nah, next is all LGBTQ+ topics, which will be labeled as porn, even if they're completely SFW.
Then it'll be violence and crime, and then racial diversity.

The playbook is always the same.

and it doesn't help, when the people behind this law say if you want to repeal it, then you are on the side of pdfs and predators, which they literally said, in a news interview or a press conference, can't remember which

Yeah the "you're a child predator protecting other child predators" is always the excuse. Which is wild given that it's always used by people who are, sooner or later, revealed to be more dangerous to kids than anybody else, in one way or another...
It's just a scare tactics to force compliance to obviously authoritarian shit that wouldn't be accepted otherwise. It's mediatic blackmailing.

Totally agree... As anyone can see with Rap and Hard rock being banned from all music stores since more than three decades now, the worse will happen, and it will happen tomorrow... /s




It's really funny to follow this kind of threads when you've that, apparently marvel, called "memory".
One month ago zonies where complaining about the UK asking for more strong age check to access 18+ content. And now they blame Steam for its too weak age check, saying that they implemented it because of the UK...
For who wouldn't know better, it would really looks like the said zonies are just complaining for the pleasure to complain.




Well, if one day it happen, then you should celebrate because, in most of the world the Law actually is that those games are 16+...




Wow...
That parents should care about what they children do, I totally agree. But that the government shouldn't be the entity that ensure that the Law is respected, it's a big news...




Once again, Steam is a store... that now ask for your card number before letting you access to some games.
Anyone who freak out because their card number is a private data that they don't want to share with Steam is missing something...

It is wild how wide you open your mouth for this whole thing. It's so painfully obvious how it's just the beginning of abuse, yet you're there claiming that the whole thing is indeed just coming from a place of good will and not from a plan of censorship and control...

What exactly do you think they are going to do with your card info? None of you are important enough on a global scale for anyone to care what you pay to fap to...

Let me introduce you to a little thing called Colelctive Shyte, who very much have an issue with what people fap to if it's not Good Christian Missionary position...

It's the parents job to look after the personal side of things, it's the governments job to look after the business side of things, always has been always will be. Parents should teach their kids to look both ways when crossing a road but the government still paints cross walks...

And have parents doen any of that ?
No. They demand the entire internet be sanitized and filled only with content adapted to toddlers, so they can shove an iPad in their kid's hands and not bother raising them.

 

[HabitualLineStepper]

And have parents doen any of that ?
No. They demand the entire internet be sanitized and filled only with content adapted to toddlers, so they can shove an iPad in their kid's hands and not bother raising them.

Concerned parents aren't the ones pushing policies for censorship though, governments, and corporations are.

Which is far more terrifying than a bunch of Karens trying to crack down on smut.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Concerned parents aren't the ones pushing policies for censorship though, governments, and corporations are.

See, I wouldn't have a problem if the push was for stronger, easier to use, and front-and-center parental controls. You want to mandate that at device level? Cool, I'm all about it. But if the fact that they're implementing this in the least secure, least private, and most easily exploitable way doesn't at least give people some pause, then they have far more trust in the powers that be than I do.

 

[Rutonat]

Concerned parents aren't the ones pushing policies for censorship though, governments, and corporations are.

Which is far more terrifying than a bunch of Karens trying to crack down on smut.

They're using that angle to appear as reasonable and good, to make it seem like it's something that should have been done decades ago but wasn't because "blahblahblah protecting predators".
The reality is, they're using lazy parents as an excuse, just as they're using "protect the kids".

Most modern countries have institutions tracking predators. But they're oftentimes underfunded, understaffed, and overall it's on purpose because the people who decide their funding are the same ones who profit from trafficking rings, more often than not.
So, of course they want those services failing. And then, they enact policies that make them look good while drawing the attention away.

Because it's definitely not Mr and Mrs Everybody on the clear net who's goign for child trafficking and other Robolox-esque shit like that. And those policies won't affect the real predators, since they're using little-known, secure, no-logs platforms...

See, I wouldn't have a problem if the push was for stronger, easier to use, and front-and-center parental controls. You want to mandate that at device level? Cool, I'm all about it. But if the fact that they're implementing this in the least secure, least private, and most easily exploitable way doesn't at least give people some pause, then they have far more trust in the powers that be than I do.

Yup. That's why they pretend it's for the kids when they couldn't give less fuck. It's only to make sure as little people as possible stop to think it's all illogical bullshit.

Parents who have no fucking clue how, or are too lazy to, keep an eye on what their underage kid is doing online are used as advocates for that kind of stuff, to ensure anybody who doesn't bend over immediately is publicly labeled a predator. It's all about ensuring people are too scared to see their life destroyed by accusations to pipe up.

Because even false accusation of being a child predator has lasting, destructive effects on people's lives, even after being proven innocent.

 

[MLocke]

I'm reminded that content that is marked as kid-friendly (target audience) on YouTube has to be some of the most deranged, low-quality slop known to man. The parents should check because it's their only resort, but many don't. The mysterious moderators don't care enough to vett the creators individually and routinely either. The algorithm is all. In any case, you can't fix stupid, and nanny states don't know that because they are also stupid.

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I wanted to post this somewhere, but, surely, no one would use one of the most defeated arguments in the history of censorship and surveillance. Nothing to hide? Why not nothing to say? A compromise on this scale is possible because the US government is also only interested in going on the offensive, compromising their own citizens, and abusing data.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Yup. That's why they pretend it's for the kids when they couldn't give less fuck. It's only to make sure as little people as possible stop to think it's all illogical bullshit.

Parents who have no fucking clue how, or are too lazy to, keep an eye on what their underage kid is doing online are used as advocates for that kind of stuff, to ensure anybody who doesn't bend over immediately is publicly labeled a predator. It's all about ensuring people are too scared to see their life destroyed by accusations to pipe up.

Because even false accusation of being a child predator has lasting, destructive effects on people's lives, even after being proven innocent.

The alternative being that they're just incompetent enough to not realize how badly a collection of IDs could go... unsure which scenario is worse tbh. (No, I do not trust any entity that says they "don't keep the data". Heard that lie far too many times)

 

[Rutonat]

The alternative being that they're just incompetent enough to not realize how badly a collection of IDs could go... unsure which scenario is worse tbh. (No, I do not trust any entity that says they "don't keep the data". Heard that lie far too many times)

The worst part is that most countries either don't have the ressources, or are too lazy, to set it up on the government side, so they'll hire a third party company that will "use AI". And when you look inside ? It's Palantir, meaning Peter fucking Thiel is collecting private data from around the world to use as he pleases.

No way this ends well.

 

[anne O'nymous]

It's so painfully obvious how it's just the beginning of abuse,

Where did I heard this? Oh, yeah, in the mid 80s, when US morality leagues where going after music, leading to the creation of the Parents Music Resource Center committee...
And the only result was an "explicit content" advisory, put on the RIAA discretion, that only apply in the USA, and that nowadays if forgot more often than actually used.
Well, at this speed, even my future grand-children will be safe from this abuse.

yet you're there claiming that the whole thing is indeed just coming from a place of good will and not from a plan of censorship and control...

I didn't said that it come from a place of good will, but yeah, believing that it's the starts of a worldwide censorship and control is plain stupid.
It's what? The Twentish time that it happen in my lifetime...

Let me introduce you to a little thing called Colelctive Shyte, who very much have an issue with what people fap to if it's not Good Christian Missionary position...

And so far, in 9 years of existence and active lobbying, they achieved to make one magazine bankrupt, KFC apologize for one ad, one Raper to voluntarily not tour in Australia, and payment processor notice that Steam/itch.io where selling games that goes against their ToS, asking them to remove those games, while keeping all the adult/porn games that weren't going against their ToS...

 

[morphnet]

Let me introduce you to a little thing called Colelctive Shyte, who very much have an issue with what people fap to if it's not Good Christian Missionary position...

That has nothing to do with the section of my post you quoted.

And have parents doen any of that ?

Some have and some have not...

No. They demand the entire internet be sanitized and filled only with content adapted to toddlers, so they can shove an iPad in their kid's hands and not bother raising them.

Some have and it's strange how so many of you have to rely on nonsensical exaggerated extremes. Are the actual facts getting in the way?

They don't want to sanitize the entire internet, just minimize the effect some parts that have proven to be an issue.
If what they are not addressing and leaving behind is "content adapted to toddlers" then they really would be bad parents.

You want to see tits, show you're 18+ and you guys reply with "OMG they be killing the internet!!!"

They're using that angle to appear as reasonable and good, to make it seem like it's something that should have been done decades ago but wasn't because "blahblahblah protecting predators".
The reality is, they're using lazy parents as an excuse, just as they're using "protect the kids".

and you are using lazy arguments against it, no wonder this is such a mess. I also notice that all the loud whining is never accompanied with actual, reality based ideas on what would work.

Most modern countries have institutions tracking predators. But they're oftentimes underfunded, understaffed, and overall it's on purpose because the people who decide their funding are the same ones who profit from trafficking rings, more often than not.

It's not just about predators, it's about easy access to porn, hate speech etc. etc. You guys just all have porn on the brains....
Despite what some people seem to think there is more on the internet than just porn. These regulations are being applied to social media and other adult content NOT just porn.

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I wanted to post this somewhere, but, surely, no one would use one of the most defeated arguments in the history of censorship and surveillance. Nothing to hide? Why not nothing to say? A compromise on this scale is possible because the US government is also only interested in going on the offensive, compromising their own citizens, and abusing data.

Did you even bother to read the article you linked?

 

[Rutonat]

Heh. Waste of time arguing with a bunch of "Yes men" being very happy tp provide constant IDs and face scans to every website that ask.
Have fun giving up your privacy to "protect the kids".

 

[anne O'nymous]

You must be registered to see the links

I wanted to post this somewhere, but, surely, no one would use one of the most defeated arguments in the history of censorship and surveillance. Nothing to hide? Why not nothing to say? A compromise on this scale is possible because the US government is also only interested in going on the offensive, compromising their own citizens, and abusing data.

What the US government have to do with a six years long "Beijing-backed spying campaign"?

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

What the US government have to do with a six years long "Beijing-backed spying campaign"?

I'm trying to decipher what that logo is. Some kind of bird head?

 

[Count Morado]

arguing with a bunch of "Yes men" being very happy tp provide constant IDs and face scans to every website that ask.

Stop being disingenuous and actually engage the topic on a logical, common sense level instead of jumping to conspiracies and paranoias.

The people who do not share your opinion have not even come close to saying what you are attempting to state what they and I am saying.

If there are adult products involved - proving age is not an outrageous idea. That is what many of us are saying.

Again, we already do it within brick-and-mortar stores for alcohol, nicotine, and porn, etc - and have done so for decades.
We already do it when buying alcohol and nicotine online - and have done so for years.
To do the same for adult images, videos, streaming, gaming and other products/content makes logical, and common, sense.

If you want to legally consume adult products and content - then you must be ready to prove you're an adult. And since many can't seem to do so by their actions and words---- a government ID would be the best course of action (or similar verification).

Now, if you are like the 9 million accounts on F95Zone - this shouldn't fucking matter because 90%+ of us are here to get content illegally, already. And will be able to continue to do so.

I'm trying to decipher what that logo is. Some kind of bird head?

Yup. Vulture.

 

[Rutonat]

Stop being disingenuous and actually engage the topic on a logical, common sense level instead of jumping to conspiracies and paranoias.

The people who do not share your opinion have not even come close to saying what you are attempting to state what they and I am saying.

If there are adult products involved - proving age is not an outrageous idea. That is what many of us are saying.

Again, we already do it within brick-and-mortar stores for alcohol, nicotine, and porn, etc - and have done so for decades.
We already do it when buying alcohol and nicotine online - and have done so for years.
To do the same for adult images, videos, streaming, gaming and other products/content makes logical, and common, sense.

If you want to legally consume adult products and content - then you must be ready to prove you're an adult. And since many can't seem to do so by their actions and words---- a government ID would be the best course of action (or similar verification).

Now, if you are like the 9 million accounts on F95Zone - this shouldn't fucking matter because 90%+ of us are here to get content illegally, already. And will be able to continue to do so.


Yup. Vulture.

Maybe try to engage with it on a deeper level than "We'll just take what is being told to use by politicians at face value because why wouldn't they be genuine" ?

 

[HabitualLineStepper]

I didn't said that it come from a place of good will, but yeah, believing that it's the starts of a worldwide censorship and control is plain stupid.

I don't want to come off as rude or a dick but...... technically that's what happened. itch was forced to de-list their games globally until they had something in place and Steam blocks NSFW games in certain countries now because of it.

So to say that payment processors and politicians aren't pushing censorship laws on a global scale is factually incorrect.

 

[Count Morado]

Maybe try to engage with it on a deeper level than "We'll just take what is being told to use by politicians at face value because why wouldn't they be genuine" ?

Again, you're simplifying the context. Not only that... you're simplifying it completely WRONG.

You have no actual thoughtful take - so you are attempting to make baseless and biased (and immature) comments.

Again --

You have to prove you're an adult to buy these products IN PERSON.
The internet should not make it any different. They are adult products - not for kids - as such, you need to show you're an adult to consume it.

You have no argument against that. If you do, you haven't shown it.

I don't want to come off as rude or a dick but...... technically that's what happened. itch was forced to de-list their games globally until they had something in place and Steam blocks NSFW games in certain countries now because of it.

So to say that payment processors and politicians aren't pushing censorship laws on a global scale is factually incorrect.

You seem to have problems with the definition of "factually"

Again, in the real world, you have to prove you're an adult to shop for and purchase adult products. Whether it is alcohol, nicotine, firearms, or porn.
The internet should not be any different.

That is not censorship.

 

[HabitualLineStepper]

Again, in the real world, you have to prove you're an adult to shop for and purchase adult products.
The internet should not be any different.

And when the things I view or purchase become illegal what do I do then?

Because I am not the one going back and forth on what's permitted or not, it's the retards in D.C.