Ren'Py Steps of Debauchery [Ep.5.0-12.12] [Fooxied]

[cooldevo]

It is not that simple. What, if player decide to skip 4 of 5 routes or even all of them? Corruption will make no sense then, as normal girl will become corrupted without any particular reason.

But why is some content skippable then if it wasn't meant to be skipped? If someone wants to pay for the game on Steam, does it really matter if they want to skip some of the content? I'd say make the best game you can with the resources you have and let everyone enjoy it in their own way.

When I buy a Bethesda RPG, say Skyrim, am I a bad person if I play it once for 300 hours and only have one character that's only a stealthy archer? I am after all missing out on all the melee and magic combat...

You just can’t allow the player to skip everything they don’t like, so I kinda agree with other opinion - you don’t play FIFA, if you don’t like football.

Now you've just got a kinetic novel, playing out the way the author wants. This is not tagged as a kinetic novel. Should re-tag the game and have the open world elements and choices removed. In fact all choices, as why would you refuse anything? Why does Corruption only play out the way you or anyone else thinks it should? If I want her to go at 50% corruption, why does that ruin other people's fun?

Taking your own soccer comparison. Why can't I play just quick matches? Why not career mode? Why not just one game, set it aside and never play it again? Taking it even further, that's like walking into a ice cream shop and one person standing in there telling you that you can only have 2 scoops on a waffle cone. The top scoop must be vanilla flavor and the bottom scoop must be habanero cheddar flavor, as that's the only right way.

Even on regular sandbox and open world games, I never understand why people get so annoyed/upset/worked up when someone else plays in that world differently then they do. You do you, and let me do me and let's just play the game and have fun how we each want.

 

[Dodzh]

But why is some content skippable then if it wasn't meant to be skipped? If someone wants to pay for the game on Steam, does it really matter if they want to skip some of the content? I'd say make the best game you can with the resources you have and let everyone enjoy it in their own way.

When I buy a Bethesda RPG, say Skyrim, am I a bad person if I play it once for 300 hours and only have one character that's only a stealthy archer? I am after all missing out on all the melee and magic combat...



Now you've just got a kinetic novel, playing out the way the author wants. This is not tagged as a kinetic novel. Should re-tag the game and have the open world elements and choices removed. In fact all choices, as why would you refuse anything? Why does Corruption only play out the way you or anyone else thinks it should? If I want her to go at 50% corruption, why does that ruin other people's fun?

Taking your own soccer comparison. Why can't I play just quick matches? Why not career mode? Why not just one game, set it aside and never play it again? Taking it even further, that's like walking into a ice cream shop and one person standing in there telling you that you can only have 2 scoops on a waffle cone. The top scoop must be vanilla flavor and the bottom scoop must be habanero cheddar flavor, as that's the only right way.

Even on regular sandbox and open world games, I never understand why people get so annoyed/upset/worked up when someone else plays in that world differently then they do. You do you, and let me do me and let's just play the game and have fun how we each want.

 

[Fooxied]

But why is some content skippable then if it wasn't meant to be skipped? If someone wants to pay for the game on Steam, does it really matter if they want to skip some of the content? I'd say make the best game you can with the resources you have and let everyone enjoy it in their own way.

When I buy a Bethesda RPG, say Skyrim, am I a bad person if I play it once for 300 hours and only have one character that's only a stealthy archer? I am after all missing out on all the melee and magic combat...



Now you've just got a kinetic novel, playing out the way the author wants. This is not tagged as a kinetic novel. Should re-tag the game and have the open world elements and choices removed. In fact all choices, as why would you refuse anything? Why does Corruption only play out the way you or anyone else thinks it should? If I want her to go at 50% corruption, why does that ruin other people's fun?

Taking your own soccer comparison. Why can't I play just quick matches? Why not career mode? Why not just one game, set it aside and never play it again? Taking it even further, that's like walking into a ice cream shop and one person standing in there telling you that you can only have 2 scoops on a waffle cone. The top scoop must be vanilla flavor and the bottom scoop must be habanero cheddar flavor, as that's the only right way.

Even on regular sandbox and open world games, I never understand why people get so annoyed/upset/worked up when someone else plays in that world differently then they do. You do you, and let me do me and let's just play the game and have fun how we each want.

You missed the point.

We give choices, the choices matter (or will matter in future updates), you can skip some forced things.

...but we can't allow you to fully skip Elijah part, just because you don't like it. We can't allow to fully skip routes with Richard, just because he is old fag. Why? For the reasons I posted above. This is CORRUPTION game, so you can't just skip it and act like it is fine. You can't skip character development in skyrim and be able to complete the game, because you will be too weak.

And comparing some home-studio indie dev with Bethesda is just funny. Give me 1% of their resources and I will allow you to take every path you want, even fully skip the corruption and get happy ending with Mike. We (and any other dev) don't have enough resources to create scenes for every possible outcome. We are not stupid, we know it could be nice to give player such choices, but we can't allow ourselves to make them.

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

But why is some content skippable then if it wasn't meant to be skipped? If someone wants to pay for the game on Steam, does it really matter if they want to skip some of the content? I'd say make the best game you can with the resources you have and let everyone enjoy it in their own way.

When I buy a Bethesda RPG, say Skyrim, am I a bad person if I play it once for 300 hours and only have one character that's only a stealthy archer? I am after all missing out on all the melee and magic combat...



Now you've just got a kinetic novel, playing out the way the author wants. This is not tagged as a kinetic novel. Should re-tag the game and have the open world elements and choices removed. In fact all choices, as why would you refuse anything? Why does Corruption only play out the way you or anyone else thinks it should? If I want her to go at 50% corruption, why does that ruin other people's fun?

Taking your own soccer comparison. Why can't I play just quick matches? Why not career mode? Why not just one game, set it aside and never play it again? Taking it even further, that's like walking into a ice cream shop and one person standing in there telling you that you can only have 2 scoops on a waffle cone. The top scoop must be vanilla flavor and the bottom scoop must be habanero cheddar flavor, as that's the only right way.

Even on regular sandbox and open world games, I never understand why people get so annoyed/upset/worked up when someone else plays in that world differently then they do. You do you, and let me do me and let's just play the game and have fun how we each want.

 

[Guszti242]

)Then you made a game where the point is to make a whore out of the Mc. And it won't consist of anything else but shit, so you're producing some pretty idiotic shit.

 

[Sharpx23]

)Then you made a game where the point is to make a whore out of the Mc. And it won't consist of anything else but shit, so you're producing some pretty idiotic shit.

Go read a romance novel if you want a wholesome game about vanilla sex with a woman and her husband. TF you playing porn games for? Why are you even here demanding the dev waste time and resources making stupid paths that have been proven time again only to be voted on in polls by 2% of their patreons? That's what happened in perfect marriage polls anyway, 2% are waiting for faithful scenes. Paths are stupid. Waste of dev time. Waste of player time. 99% of time I figure out what paths are available, choose the best one or the one that can hit the most scenes, and ignore the rest. Why do I want to clutter up my save folder with 10 different stopping points and then have to muddle through shit to find it? Paths are an illusion choice, but in reality they are 10 stories. Faithful path is never going to be played. It's not an interesting story. It's already implied the MC could be faithful but she wants to be a whore instead. We don't need a path only 2% of 1000 people will play, for the contrast.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

I don't want to start a fight here but in more than 90% of the sandbox games available here, you can skip all the content you don't want to see. I mean...its easy...you don t like a Story branch...skip it. No harm done. Rileys Story wouldn t change just because of this. Maybe as a Dev you need 2-3 more Renders (if you skip everything) and the Game Ends ends at a certain Point for some players. Lets say they (the Players) want Riley to stay faithful and a "good" girl...(because its called "Steps" of Debauchery and as a player we should steer the Steps for Riley)...then let them have a few extra renders with a happy ending like, someday Riley wakes up and realise that she is done with her manipulative enviroment and stops it. Then BAM...the Game Ends for those Players. 2 - 3 Renders with Riley, her hubby and 1-2 Babies, a house and a white picket fence. Everyone is happy and those, who wants to dive deeper in depravity, should do so. I am not a Developer, but i think this shouldn t be to hard to do. Even in the Game "Anna" (a CORRUPTION Game) you can choose a faithful way and the Slut (corrupted) Way...and "SoD" is at least 10 Times Better with a much more likeable Character. Btw..its your fault Fooxied....if you had created Riley old and fat, with saggy Tits and a flat ass..then we wouldn't be having this discussion

 

[Sharpx23]

I don't want to start a fight here but in more than 90% of the sandbox games available here, you can skip all the content you don't want to see. I mean...its easy...you don t like a Story branch...skip it. No harm done. Rileys Story wouldn t change just because of this. Maybe as a Dev you need 2-3 more Renders (if you skip everything) and the Game Ends ends at a certain Point for some players. Lets say they (the Players) want Riley to stay faithful and a "good" girl...(because its called "Steps" of Debauchery and as a player we should steer the Steps for Riley)...then let them have a few extra renders with a happy ending like, someday Riley wakes up and realise that she is done with her manipulative enviroment and stops it. Then BAM...the Game Ends for those Players. 2 - 3 Renders with Riley, her hubby and 1-2 Babies, a house and a white picket fence. Everyone is happy and those, who wants to dive deeper in depravity, should do so. I am not a Developer, but i think this shouldn t be to hard to do. Even in the Game "Anna" (a CORRUPTION Game) you can choose a faithful way and the Slut (corrupted) Way...and "SoD" is at least 10 Times Better with a much more likeable Character. Btw..its your fault Fooxied....if you had created Riley old and fat, with saggy Tits and a flat ass..then we wouldn't be having this discussion

In those sandbox games where MC avoids corruption, you trigger a game ending, and the MCs life goes on as normal and she lives happily with her husband - it's like 5 renders, and the game is over. The dev could do this? I guess? It's less of a waste of time.

Varying types of corruption levels could make great multiple endings. Or endings based on individual or additives scenes. For example, Ivy and Streaming fit very well together if that's your thing. Madison has what look to be clearly defined paths if you refuse, or go along with, the Dean so I hope that continues.

Perhaps instead of throwing everything at the wall for a player, perhaps enable (or in-game express interest) or not specific types/categories of scenes? For example, blackmail, exhibitionism, bondage, etc., and then skip over the content a player may not like. Just trying out 'Golden Mean' right now and it has a section to do just that.

In this game's context I think it'd be more along the lines of allowing customization in the types of corruption/kinks each player prefers. Not everyone is the same, so providing options like this game potentially seems to do, can appeal to a broader base. If someone isn't into contrived blackmail scenarios? Skip it easily. If you aren't into the streaming? Skip it. Does Ivy or Madison not catch your fancy? Skip it. Do you like it all? Have at it! Knowing I may only be into a subset of the offered paths, I fully expect to miss content. Being subjected to endure things that I have zero interest in means I walk away entirely. For me, that's been MOST games in this category.

The issue with this is that 99% of people will be trying to get max corruption level, and won't even know what level of corruption gets what ending - so they will demand a walkthrough mod that points this out in game, or they will want a cheat mod to cheat max corruption. Again majority of players want to see the max corruption route because it has the most sexy scenes. Nobody really wants to see a 70% corruption ending. Maybe if they are bored and already got off from the 100% one.

The only time multiple paths really makes sense is either the MC ends in different slutty jobs/or fetishes. But even then, most people would rather have an ending that includes scenes that hits all fetishes/kinks. Maybe with options to skip the most intense of those fetishes (like skip pee scenes or whatever). So this is somewhat like MILA AI game, or third crises game.

 

[cooldevo]

And comparing some home-studio indie dev with Bethesda is just funny. Give me 1% of their resources and I will allow you to take every path you want, even fully skip the corruption and get happy ending with Mike. We (and any other dev) don't have enough resources to create scenes for every possible outcome. We are not stupid, we know it could be nice to give player such choices, but we can't allow ourselves to make them.

For me, skipping the Dean blackmail is not missing most of the game. I went back and played it to the end of content and it had a couple of scenes I missed. So yeah, I missed a couple of things but stuff I'm ok missing.

Don't need 'happily ever after' scenarios in all cases. And you don't need to go to the far extreme with examples. I liked that I could skip the one element I did not like with the Dean. And the rest offered freedom in doing it as well... or at least it seemed like it had.

You missed the point.

We give choices, the choices matter (or will matter in future updates), you can skip some forced things.

...but we can't allow you to fully skip Elijah part, just because you don't like it. We can't allow to fully skip routes with Richard, just because he is old fag. Why? For the reasons I posted above. This is CORRUPTION game, so you can't just skip it and act like it is fine. You can't skip character development in skyrim and be able to complete the game, because you will be too weak.

Perhaps the game is better as a kinetic novel then an 'open world' game, as it'll allow you to require everyone to do the corruption events you expect the player to go through. It's your game, and all power to you, but I'll be moving on from it now.

There are very little checks in terms of skills, so there really is no character or corruption development. It's doing corruption the way you like it. It's your game, so all power to do it how you like. But it's not in-game mechanics. If I ignore dancing at the bar and don't level it up, does it ruin the yacht event? Not at all, I checked it out of curiosity. So the mechanics and "levels" or corruption you use are hand waving theory and not actual game requirements.

You may also want to balance the economy and open world mechanics, as it's far too easy to make thousands of dollars over a couple of weeks. Easy to pull in $130+ with level 2 dancing per night in the bar (can do it 5 nights per week). It only took me 4 nights (I believe) to max level 2 dancing. Cleaning is $70/day and you can do it just about every afternoon. By the time I reached the end of content alert, I owned all shop items/collectibles, all the clothes I could buy, was an 'A' student, paid the $200 every week, and still had scads of leftover money. Give my character a month or two and I'd have had the $100k needed.

I was excited to see that this one didn't have 'forced' and contrived situations and allowed the player to actually control what types of corruption they were exposed to. I personally hate forced blackmail situations, I like the ones that let me do it the way I like. And this game no longer does that.

Good luck with your story.

 

[DevinHesi]

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Just a few days left until the release of Episode 4.0, so it’s time to share the changelog – here’s what’s new and what you can expect.

It’s been 2 months since our last update, and during that time, we’ve created:

• Nearly 2,500 new renders
• A ton of new animations

Not to brag, but getting this much done in just over two months (since Episode 3.2 update on October 7th) is a fantastic achievement in my opinion. This was only possible thanks to your support, which allowed me to take unpaid leave from my firefighting job. Starting in January, things will go back to normal, but I’ll keep working hard to bring you as much content as possible, as quickly as I can.

Before we move on, I want to address one thing. Someone suggested that going back to work will slow down the game’s development, making it impossible to deliver the full game by 2026. Here’s the truth: my unpaid leave was an extra boost that sped up development. This wasn’t part of the original plan because I didn’t expect such incredible financial support. So, while January will mean a return to the regular pace, we’re still on track – we’re not slowing down.



Now, about the update itself:

• It includes more animations than the last few updates combined, and they’re quite complex. These aren’t 1-second loops – every animation is made of 200-300 frames, lasting 6-10 seconds, with sounds recorded by real people.
• This update is over twice the size of the previous one. However, it’s not twice as long – it’s more content-rich, giving you more choices and options. It will also tie together many of your earlier decisions.

What else is new?

• New achievements
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We’ve also added and improved tons of smaller things that I might have forgotten to mention (probably because they weren’t as big). If I remember anything, I’ll let you know – or maybe I’ll keep it as a surprise.

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For now, I’m back to fixing the last bugs and making sure the update is ready for you.

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[cooldevo]

The issue with this is that 99% of people will be trying to get max corruption level, and won't even know what level of corruption gets what ending - so they will demand a walkthrough mod that points this out in game, or they will want a cheat mod to cheat max corruption. Again majority of players want to see the max corruption route because it has the most sexy scenes. Nobody really wants to see a 70% corruption ending. Maybe if they are bored and already got off from the 100% one.

The only time multiple paths really makes sense is either the MC ends in different slutty jobs/or fetishes. But even then, most people would rather have an ending that includes scenes that hits all fetishes/kinks. Maybe with options to skip the most intense of those fetishes (like skip pee scenes or whatever). So this is somewhat like MILA AI game, or third crises game.

The entire point is often being misrepresented. I don't want to have no-corruption. I was just asking for customization to avoid seeing the type of corruption events that put me off these types of games. Other games like Golden Mean let you cater to the types of events you like (select) and ignore (deselct) the rest from their "Fetish" page. Good game, although I prefer female MC leads as opposed to male.

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Don't really need 'custom' endings in-depth, as each isn't a full arc. When you hit the 'end' just need to show how the world wrapped up. Put together 10-15 renders per path (bondage, streaming, dancing, Dean, etc,) and stitch them together based on how each player played the game. If you ignore it, show no screens... if you go all the way down the path show all 10-15 of them. And so on.

Put the final bow on by showing how it plays out with the owed money, and voila. Multiple endings done. Not a lot of effort or work if you track the variables as you build the game.

 

[Fooxied]

The entire point is often being misrepresented. I don't want to have no-corruption. I was just asking for customization to avoid seeing the type of corruption events that put me off these types of games. Other games like Golden Mean let you cater to the types of events you like (select) and ignore (deselct) the rest from their "Fetish" page. Good game, although I prefer female MC leads as opposed to male.

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Don't really need 'custom' endings in-depth, as each isn't a full arc. When you hit the 'end' just need to show how the world wrapped up. Put together 10-15 renders per path (bondage, streaming, dancing, Dean, etc,) and stitch them together based on how each player played the game. If you ignore it, show no screens... if you go all the way down the path show all 10-15 of them. And so on.

Put the final bow on by showing how it plays out with the owed money, and voila. Multiple endings done. Not a lot of effort or work if you track the variables as you build the game.

And I'm pretty sure you are not trying to understand my point of view. This is also not Male protagonist game, which is tons easier to create. I would like to believe that creating multiple endings with just couple of renders is possible and gives a sense of sufficiency for the player.

 

[Ozliat]

cooldevo just stop it already - you wont get anywhere.

I told you before the things are set in motion in this game and wont change. (way too many people like the game as it is and pay for this to continue like this - telling you this so you understand that you bark at the wrong tree here)

Either play it as it is and what parts you like or move on - this is not the only game like this as I already gave you examples that now even you use as examples.

 

[Ozliat]

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Almost there - Exciting times !

 

[cooldevo]

cooldevo just stop it already - you wont get anywhere.

I told you before the things are set in motion in this game and wont change. (way too many people like the game as it is and pay for this to continue like this - telling you this so you understand that you bark at the wrong tree here)

Either play it as it is and what parts you like or move on - this is not the only game like this as I already gave you examples that now even you use as examples.

Thank you very much. I had already indicated I'm moving on, but I appreciate the subtle nudge. I'm obviously not the only person that is misunderstanding something, based on other replied but ok.

And the other games are pretty good. Not female MC leads like I was hunting for, but still work well for now.

 

[GoDfLesH]

Can't you draw normal, neat, beautiful tits? Why are there huge watermelons everywhere...? Can you guys imagine what it's like for your models to carry ten kilos???

 

[Mrbig123]

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• Nearly 2,500 new renders

2500 renders in just two months is craaaazy

 

[Ozliat]

Can't you draw normal, neat, beautiful tits? Why are there huge watermelons everywhere...? Can you guys imagine what it's like for your models to carry ten kilos???

No the Earth is round so are the boobs ! You pesky Flat-Earther !

 

[GoDfLesH]

2500 renders

nonono it's a 250.0 or 25.00 or 2.500... put the comma in the wrong place....

 

[GoDfLesH]

No the Earth is round so are the boobs ! You pesky Flat-Earther !

nope. i like round boobs... but not like a barrel of beer...