Stop overusing 18 as an age

[OhJo]

Exactly. This conclusively proves the thread.

A visual novel is someone's story. For example "How I met your brother" A middle aged woman reflects back on her youth, telling her husband about her first sexual experience. How that rotten bastard cheated on her, so for revenge she slept with, and later married his brother. In reality, the events in the author's life took place at the age of 14, but the actors re-enacting the story are over 18. It's goofy and annoying, but that's how it has to be. We laugh 18 year old virgin girl, yea right and we tell the developer how unrealistic their game is.
The husband always knew that he was not her first, but she was his first. She came to him in a fit of rage. He didn't know how to respond, he had never done this before, but luckily she had, and she took the lead in releving him of his virginity. Horrified by her confession, he is haunted by visions of her doing nasty things with his brother. He knew she wasn't a virgin, and he appreciated her skillset, but where once the men she had been with before him were nameless, faceless men that didn't bother him, now all he could think about was his wife being penetrated again and again by his own brother. The same brother that had tied him to a tree, and left him there overnight, when he was 8, the brother who had picked on him and tortured all of his friends. His arch nemesis brother, had deflowered his wife. Why he cried, why? Tell me every detail, he says... I won't be able to get past this, unless I know everything. Flashback to the innocent young 18 year old wife's first encounter with the brother, just before he started college when he was 28 (he really was 18, but since she has to be 18, it wouldn't make sense for the older brother to be 18)

 

[polywog]

Wow, that was described in a manner that's making me feel really bad for finding that hot.

Modern society dating rules suggest that you shouldn't talk about your ex, shouldn't ask a woman about her past... but by ignoring these things, you're building the foundation for a relationship in a mine-field.
In writing that story, i'm attempting to combine ingredients to give the flavor of incest, with half the calories, so it's acceptable on patreon. By conflating past present and future elements of the story it's quite juicy, but doesn't break the rules. The woman has her reasons, for nuking the relationship that were not revealed in that snippet, but you get the idea of how painful and powerful secrets can be.
Mixed feelings are understandable from an observer's perspective. Members of an audience can watch the same thing, and each take it different ways. Comedy, when it happens to someone else, Tragedy when it happens to me. The MC is a female protagonist, and it's based on a true story with a happy ending.

 

[Tataro]

Disclaimers exist for that reason but they will not matter in some platforms, be it patreon or other communities similar to F95Zone.

If I were to make a disclaimer in which I say all characters are 18 or older but then my story will be in an elementary school with lolis aged "18", patreon would ban me and my game would not be accepted in some communities.

Write in that they're all retarded 26yearold lolis with developmental issues stuck in elementary

 

[obibobi]

older like at least 19 or 20+. Is it that hard?

 

[WIRProductions]

I see. In Canada it's 11 grades. so 16-17.

High school in Canada finishes at grade 12 as well, not 11, so the age range for graduation is 17-19, depending on the student's birthday.

While 18 itself is often the default age people use, I think it is more due to the setting forcing it on others and/or the writer wanting to make sure it gets past the censors. People could, and do, only leave the age ambiguous when doing school setting sex, and hope the readers just assume the student participants are 18/in grade 12. Other writers want to make absolutely sure, especially if they intend to go deep into lore.

 

[Creiz]

High school in Canada finishes at grade 12 as well, not 11, so the age range for graduation is 17-19, depending on the student's birthday.

For real? Since when? When I was in school we had 6 years of primary school and 5 years of secondary. 6+5 = 11 unless I can't maths anymore.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Some facts from real life: Puberty runs from about 8-14 for girls, 9-14 for boys, adolescence from 14-17, adulthood starts at 18 but emotional maturity doesn't happen until 25.
In the US, high school is either from 10th-12th grade, or from 9th to 12th grade. 10th graders would be about 15 on average, 9th graders 14, 12th graders 17 with a few being 18. Junior high school is 7th through 9th grade, which is ages 12-14. Middle school is 6th through 8th grade, which is ages 11-13. The earliest kids in real life engage in any major sexual activity(absent molestation, precocious puberty, etc.) at any meaningful frequency is around 4th or 5th grade(playing doctor, early masturbation, looking at dad's porn mags or the internet, etc.), which corresponds with the early beginnings of puberty.

There are games on this site which portray characters who appear to be in early puberty, middle puberty, late puberty, adolescence and young adulthood, as reflected by how they appear, what school they appear to be attending, and their size relative to their parent(s) and/or adult(s). To the extent they "get away with" this, they are vague as to the nature of the school attended, and/or the precise age(aside from the "everybody is 18" disclaimer at the beginning). And their patreon gets even vaguer. "a young man blah blah blah".

Any game portraying an adult man living with his "landlady" is effectively portraying a man in his 20s, with the "landlady" being in her mid to late 40s(i.e., not yet menopausal or premenopausal). Male characters 40+ are either married with kids, married without kids, or single and looking. Male characters in their 30s are kind of in a gray area. Not yet a dad, possibly married, and possibly out playing the field. Male characters 60+ are usually portrayed as straight up pervs.

 

[WIRProductions]

For real? Since when? When I was in school we had 6 years of primary school and 5 years of secondary. 6+5 = 11 unless I can't maths anymore.

With the exception of Ontario before they scrapped Grade 13 a decade ago, it was always until Grade 12. Plus it is 13 years in total. K-6 (7 years), Jr. High 7-9 (3 years) and High 10-12 (3 years)

 

[Creiz]

Ah, you count kindergarten. Yeah, you're right.

 

[Zarathos4]

No, you have to be 21 to drink most places in the U.S., but you can vote and die for your country before that. Also, fucking is for those over 18, unless all parties involved are under 18, then I'm fuzzy on the legalities.

When you turn 18, you can vote on the future proceedings of the entire City, State, and Country. Own and drive a lethal weapon without restrictions other than a plastic card saying you can. You can own a firearm. You can sign up to fight and die for your country. You can fuck anyone you want who is also over 18 and consenting to it. You're allowed to work without restrictions as well. Which means you could become a manager or boss and essentially rule over others for a time of the day. You could even get hitched if you wanted to....You can get all the piercings and tattoos and all the body mods you want, with no one to say nope to you on the decision.....

But you cant legally drink the "good stuff". Until 21. Which if you did get hitched then you wouldn't be able to drink the bubbly to celebrate at the ceremony.

And yes. There's no real age that says when you're actually allowed to have sex. But under 18 must be under 18. Over 18. Must also be over 18. I'm not sure how the Romeo and Juliet law works. I don't know if that includes sex or just dating but that is a thing for when one member of a partner turns 18 before the other one does. But it has some restrictions, like I think parents have to okay it and you had to be an item for certain amount of time.

Its kinda funny they actually tried to shoe horn the Romeo and Juliet law, into Transformers Age of Extinction as a social issue topic, among the characters to solve/work around. Like really guys?

 

[hamlet17]

As I understand 18 is not enforced by the rules of the forum. So games could have characters of say 16-17, but it would be a problem with Patreon, if developer wants to use it.

 

[Ataios]

I'd prefer ages 20 to 25 for the protagonist, but I don't consider it main issue. Especially, when it comes to MCs in mom-son games the most annoying thing is when the MC is smaller than the mom and a whiny virgin in addition to it. Bad ass warriors or unscrupulous business men would do much better here.

Younger than 18 would be an absolute no-go for me, except for cyborgs or members of species that reach adulthood at a younger age than humans.

 

[khumak]

I'm actually curious why a lot of the games even bother to mention age. If the renders look like they're adults then who cares if they're 18 or 23 or whatever? I can see mentioning it if you're using characters that are in high school since most people in high school are younger than that, but for anything after high school the opposite is true. But it's really the renders that matter. If the character you render looks like they're 12 then it doesn't matter if you put disclaimers all over the place saying she's 18 or 20 or whatever. You're going to get flagged as having underage content.

 

[Techn0magier]

That is, why I prefere a german setting, when it comes to school and adult content. 13 grades before qualifying for university. (I don't count "Turbo-Abi". This is a messed up concept designed by business retards and soccer moms). When I got my graduation, I was 21 and I was not the oldest person in class.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

People still have sex in their 80s...and there's even 1 or 2 humans on the planet who still look kinda sexy in their 80s. But I'm pretty sure the number of 80-something sexualized characters in these games collectively is in the low single digits. While the number of "18 year olds" is somewhere in the five figure range.

 

[baka]

a few question marks:
- devs need patrons, are most patrons 18 years old?
- most players want a "need to identify myself with the MC" game, so most patrons are 18 years old?

now, if most patrons are 18 years old, I understand why theres so many games with 18 years old MC, they can't identify themselves as a 40 year old dude of course, and want and demand a young MC.
that means, 18 years old have most money, they want to help developers, while older dudes, are cheap, without a job and dont want to pay anything, they are old and download for free.

but if this is not the case, we have a lot of older dudes, but they still want to play as a young 18 years old dude.
is this because they feel they want to go back in time? they want to feel young again, since they aged bad, no wisdom and experience? without the thought of: a 18 years old is kind of immature and boring, no life experience, give me a older MC that I can identify myself with.

I noticed that a lot of people they "need" to identify with the MC, what happens with the MC is reflecting back to them, so some fetishes they stay away from to not "feel" bad with the MC. that leads me to think that they need to "like" the MC, and with that also his age and experience.

for me, to play a 18 years old is most of the time painful, usually immature and selfish in a way a 18 years old is, even should be.
but why? do we have a lot of 18 (maybe lower) devs that creates games to get money but are actually not old enough to make them? or we have lots of young patrons that demands that kind of games? where the fuck are all the older and experiences dudes that demands quality for their own age? or maybe a mature dude, is not here at all, instead he has his life, family and mistress ready for his needs? why should he need to play boring games?

 

[zombie goast]

but why?

Because the 40-year-old would be expected to make low-risk, pragmatic decisions while the horny teenager can be expected to make highly convenient, stupid decisions. It's one less layer of disbelief that needs to be suspended.

 

[baka]

well, that is obvious, young and immature, impulse decisions, less consequence thinking,
but that is still not an answer to my questions.

no matter the difficulty to make an interesting story, we have the issue to be able to identify yourself to a young MC that is doing lame things. the game, Our Fate is a good example of a game with an older MC and its quite well made and interesting.

for me, to play a dumb MC that can fuck girls easily is not hot, challenging or interesting at all.
so the question remains, how can older dudes pay money so Devs makes 18 years old MC games?
maybe theres no older dudes that are patrons, or older dudes that enjoy playing a young dude? or is it something else?

 

[anne O'nymous]

Because the 40-year-old would be expected to make low-risk, pragmatic decisions while the horny teenager can be expected to make highly convenient, stupid decisions.

Never played Midlife Crisis, right ?

no matter the difficulty to make an interesting story, we have the issue to be able to identify yourself to a young MC that is doing lame things.

Why do you systematically put together "young MC" and "lame things" ? This is only due to bad writing, not at all to the MC's age.
The MC of The DeLuca Family is young (around 22 if I remember correctly) and far to be an immature impulsive idiot. Even a game that stand more on the average, like WVM by example, can have a 18yo MC that will act with the (relatively speaking) stupidity of his age, while still not being effectively immature or idiot ; he's clueless and sometimes a little awkward when he have to act like an adult, nothing else.
And I don't really have difficulties to identify myself with those MCs, despite the fact that they are younger than my son ; for WVM it's the US culture that is difficult to identify with, not the MC by himself.

the game, Our Fate is a good example of a game with an older MC and its quite well made and interesting.

While I followed this game and regret that it ended abandoned, I also always found it relatively boring. I don't play games to see what I could already live ; the averagely normal life of a averagely normal 40/50yo guy. Of course, I don't have an unknown daughter suddenly entering my life and ready to be corrupted, but even this part was made so averagely normal.
The writing wasn't bad, but the game also wasn't interesting. And despite the MC being around my age and having a life near to what I lived for some years, I never achieved to identify with him. This while I have no problems to put myself in the shoes of Middle Crisis' MC.

so the question remains, how can older dudes pay money so Devs makes 18 years old MC games?
maybe theres no older dudes that are patrons, or older dudes that enjoy playing a young dude? or is it something else?

It's just a rational guess, but I assume that most patrons are below 25 years old and over 45 years old. Simply because it's, globally speaking, the peoples who can spare some bucks because they don't have children, or have children old enough to not depend of their money. The majority being probably over 45, because only a small part of nowadays youth can effectively afford to spare some bucks.

This said, I think that the answer is just that those patrons are more like me than like you.

 

[baka]

yeah, I agree that not all games with young MC's, are bad, Im generalizing a lot here, but Im also tired of reading "the MC returns home after being 5 years with his father, he is 18 and theres (tons) of girls to reconcile with".
too often we see a young 18 dude, mom, sisters, childhood girls, and a bunch of new stereotypical girls to get hot with.

its quite boring this setting. but it seems to be a winner for most devs and people seems to enjoy it.

a few changes could make it interesting ,like:
a 40-80 years old dude, invent a device to "take over" the mind of someone, lets say a 18 years old dude living home with his mom and sisters. that would make it almost identical to the above, but with a mind of an older dude that now will try to get hot with all the females.

that for me would change a lot, even if the CG is almost identical to the above plot.

or this has something to do with incest, people want that fetish and dont care about anything else?