VN Ren'Py Stray Incubus [S2 Ch.2a] [Flynn974]

[Steinchen]

$80 could nearly buy Dead or Alive Xtreme 2(or 3), and I still don't own that game. Forget paying that subscription.

that would be up to $160 to $240 in this case or $80 to 120$ if the update takes 2 to 3 month just for getting a part update for a game that is not even near to be finished.

gets you 2 or 3 full games of your chossen game plattform.

really insane if you think about it.
in some parts of the world you can get food for about 2 to 4 weeks for that money

but some devs are fair about that and are charging per update and not monthly but these are rare

 

[packor]

in some parts of the world you can get food for about 2 to 4 weeks for that money

$80 / 30 = 2 2/3. My food and drink can be as low as $2 per day, so that's already enough for my food. A couple more pays for all my living expenses.

 

[Flynn974]

and given the fact the dev released the update for the highest tiers 80 Bugs and yesterday for the 40 bucks tier.
nobody will leak it in the high tier ranks,maybe when it reached the third or second lowest tier but not before that.
and that is fine.
anybody asking for leaks before it reached the lowest tiers because he can not wait can support him.

for this game to go from highest tier to public it takes usually a month.
for me 80 or 40 bucks for the highest tier is a bit to expensive beeing a supporter paying that every month.
i would consider paying 5 to 10 dollars as supporter,paying 80 or 40 dollars every month is insane if someone asks me.

but the timeframe from the 2 lowest tiers to public is so small,it is not worth paying that before it goes public either.
so whats is left to do is wait....

i will never understand how some people can pay so much money monthly where they can buy a complete GAME from every game plattform for a game that is not even complete and will be updated in parts every 1 to 3 month.

The thing is, most of the people in the really high tiers would just subscribe, download the game, then unsubscribe immediately. Which is fair. The got access for what they wanted and don't wanna keep paying say 35 euros per month. But this realllly helps devs like me. Many people would also not completely unsub after but for example lower their tiers and remain subscribed which over time is great for devs. Oh also, my 70 euros tier is limited to 10 people since it also comes with other benefits than just access to the game, it has 3 custom renders per months which I can't make for 100 people XD

 

[tmu500]

The thing is, most of the people in the really high tiers would just subscribe, download the game, then unsubscribe immediately. Which is fair. The got access for what they wanted and don't wanna keep paying say 35 euros per month. But this realllly helps devs like me. Many people would also not completely unsub after but for example lower their tiers and remain subscribed which over time is great for devs. Oh also, my 70 euros tier is limited to 10 people since it also comes with other benefits than just access to the game, it has 3 custom renders per months which I can't make for 100 people XD

Thank you for the post and keep up the great work.

 

[Steinchen]

The thing is, most of the people in the really high tiers would just subscribe, download the game, then unsubscribe immediately. Which is fair. The got access for what they wanted and don't wanna keep paying say 35 euros per month. But this realllly helps devs like me. Many people would also not completely unsub after but for example lower their tiers and remain subscribed which over time is great for devs. Oh also, my 70 euros tier is limited to 10 people since it also comes with other benefits than just access to the game, it has 3 custom renders per months which I can't make for 100 people XD

sure its benefical for you devs but still it is crazy thinking about some persons paying so much money only because they not want to wait for a week or two.

and lets be honest here: no benefits you could offer me would justify for me paying you so much more money except maybe getting the gameupdate a week or two earlier than others ,and even that does not justify this for me completely.
i don´t care for wallpapers,additional renders or a double counting voice in a poll or something like that.
for me the additional renders and wallpapers are a waste of time but that is just me
when i subscribe to be a supporter i do it because i like the game and want to support the Developer.

sure some people have a loose purse and don´t care about $50 and thats good for you devs,but there are surely devs where the supporters pay high tier money without unsubbing month over month and that is fine too it is not my money but that is still crazy.

and to think about it making Additional renders and Wallpapers surely are only disturbing the development time,but again that is just my thinking
i have no use for wallpapers and Additional renders.
what should i do with them??
print them and hang them in my home or collect them??

i am sure that not everybody thinks like me,and some will have the same thoughts like me but that all is not important.

if you devs are successfull it is fine with me.

 

[Flynn974]

sure its benefical for you devs but still it is crazy thinking about some persons paying so much money only because they not want to wait for a week or two.

and lets be honest here: no benefits you could offer me would justify for me paying you so much more money except maybe getting the gameupdate a week or two earlier than others ,and even that does not justify this for me completely.
i don´t care for wallpapers,additional renders or a double counting voice in a poll or something like that.
for me the additional renders and wallpapers are a waste of time but that is just me
when i subscribe to be a supporter i do it because i like the game and want to support the Developer.

sure some people have a loose purse and don´t care about $50 and thats good for you devs,but there are surely devs where the supporters pay high tier money without unsubbing month over month and that is fine too it is not my money but that is still crazy.

and to think about it making Additional renders and Wallpapers surely are only disturbing the development time,but again that is just my thinking
i have no use for wallpapers and Additional renders.
what should i do with them??
print them and hang them in my home or collect them??

i am sure that not everybody thinks like me,and some will have the same thoughts like me but that all is not important.

if you devs are successfull it is fine with me.

And that is 100% fair. It's is your money and you should be able to do (or in this case not do XD) with it what you want

 

[random_throwaway]

sure its benefical for you devs but still it is crazy thinking about some persons paying so much money only because they not want to wait for a week or two.

and lets be honest here: no benefits you could offer me would justify for me paying you so much more money except maybe getting the gameupdate a week or two earlier than others ,and even that does not justify this for me completely.
i don´t care for wallpapers,additional renders or a double counting voice in a poll or something like that.
for me the additional renders and wallpapers are a waste of time but that is just me
when i subscribe to be a supporter i do it because i like the game and want to support the Developer.

sure some people have a loose purse and don´t care about $50 and thats good for you devs,but there are surely devs where the supporters pay high tier money without unsubbing month over month and that is fine too it is not my money but that is still crazy.

and to think about it making Additional renders and Wallpapers surely are only disturbing the development time,but again that is just my thinking
i have no use for wallpapers and Additional renders.
what should i do with them??
print them and hang them in my home or collect them??

i am sure that not everybody thinks like me,and some will have the same thoughts like me but that all is not important.

if you devs are successfull it is fine with me.

You're only looking at this from a surface level, which isn't to say it's wrong, just that there's a lot more thought into the reasons as to why. Being on here, I'm sure you've witnessed plenty of games go either on-hold or abandoned where you might wonder how or why; you've probably also seen some games be incredibly successful but their progress begins to take a little longer or other content comes out before an update (such as custom renders). Please remember that for as much as each and every dev is doing what they're doing because they have a story they want to tell....they require money to survive.

It is a cutthroat industry and everyone is battling for support in their own ways, so they have to come up with unique options to garner said financial support. It's more than just making a game - afterall, once the game is completed what happens next? Flynn is a creator that has been shafted by early leaks which reduce financial support, which in turn means less output for continuing the game.

For as much as people can argue about being a pirate forum and releasing updates early, if a creator doesn't have a decent support (and financial) base, then all that'll happen is another game being labelled on-hold or abandoned and people bitching and moaning about why. When we all know why

 

[Steinchen]

You're only looking at this from a surface level, which isn't to say it's wrong, just that there's a lot more thought into the reasons as to why. Being on here, I'm sure you've witnessed plenty of games go either on-hold or abandoned where you might wonder how or why; you've probably also seen some games be incredibly successful but their progress begins to take a little longer or other content comes out before an update (such as custom renders). Please remember that for as much as each and every dev is doing what they're doing because they have a story they want to tell....they require money to survive.

It is a cutthroat industry and everyone is battling for support in their own ways, so they have to come up with unique options to garner said financial support. It's more than just making a game - afterall, once the game is completed what happens next? Flynn is a creator that has been shafted by early leaks which reduce financial support, which in turn means less output for continuing the game.

For as much as people can argue about being a pirate forum and releasing updates early, if a creator doesn't have a decent support (and financial) base, then all that'll happen is another game being labelled on-hold or abandoned and people bitching and moaning about why. When we all know why

and what do you think will more benefical??

10 High tier supporters paying $40-80 per month who most likely unsub after paying or maybe staying subbed...
or 500 to 1000 supporters paying lets say $5-10 per month who stay subbed because it isn´t so much because it will not hurt so much in someones purse???

i would rather have a few hundred supporters paying lets say $5-10 than maybe 10 or 20 high tier supporters that would likely unsub after paying once and change to a lower tier after an update is out.

the few hundred lower tiers will stay subbed every month and it brings them more money than high tier supporters that are not likely staying.
okay some would maybe but look at the numbers then what brings more money the low tiers from $5-10 Dollars or the few high tier supporters...

sometimes it can be daunting to have so high tier ranks and that can block the flow of lower tier ranks joining.
even more so when the timeframe from the highest tier to the lowest is mostly a month between.

there are a few devs that have tier ranks to only $15-20 dollars and that seems to work too.

i am not saying that Flynn974 should change something just saying it is crazy how much money some people pay for such as an gameupdate for a game in progress.
it is fine for me either way because i will pay for what i think to support,and everybody is free to do what he wants.

 

[Ford Mustang]

People shouldn't pirate the game & atleast waiting

 

[random_throwaway]

and what do you think will more benefical??

10 High tier supporters paying $40-80 per month who most likely unsub after paying or maybe staying subbed...
or 500 to 1000 supporters paying lets say $5-10 per month who stay subbed because it isn´t so much because it will not hurt so much in someones purse???

i would rather have a few hundred supporters paying lets say $5-10 than maybe 10 or 20 high tier supporters that would likely unsub after paying once and change to a lower tier after an update is out.

the few hundred lower tiers will stay subbed every month and it brings them more money than high tier supporters that are not likely staying.
okay some would maybe but look at the numbers then what brings more money the low tiers from $5-10 Dollars or the few high tier supporters...

sometimes it can be daunting to have so high tier ranks and that can block the flow of lower tier ranks joining.
even more so when the timeframe from the highest tier to the lowest is mostly a month between.

there are a few devs that have tier ranks to only $15-20 dollars and that seems to work too.

i am not saying that Flynn974 should change something just saying it is crazy how much money some people pay for such as an gameupdate for a game in progress.
it is fine for me either way because i will pay for what i think to support,and everybody is free to do what he wants.

You're vastly overestimating subscriber counts, and that's a big issue. The majority of devs, especially for AVN's, are lucky to get a few hundred dollars a month from subscribers. How many paying patrons do you think Flynn has? I looked - it's 243. And if the average amount per patron is around $5 or so, that's only ~$1250 (not factoring in patreon fees). How much money do you need each month to live?

Business wise, even just a few of those high paying patrons can equate to 8-14 low paying patrons. It's not ideal, but look at what happens when you have a low ceiling for new updates - someone leaks the game and people paying feel shafted and take their money somewhere else.

For whatever flak Flynn may get for his tiers and pricing, it is somewhat working. Ideally more people pledge, which then reduces any financial stress, which could potentially knock down the price of those higher tiers...but then that in itself could then cause early leaks, costing said patrons and shifting the prices again. There will never be a fair and equal balance, because money is involved. You either accept the situation and either become a patron at whatever tier you feel comfortable with, or just support Flynn by speaking positively about his game, or you don't accept it and you're not paying already so you don't lose out on anything.

 

[SilentType]

People shouldn't pirate the game & atleast waiting

then get off this piracy site?

 

[Jeycii_]

There will always be whales who are able to afford this. The other people will just have to wait 1-2 more weeks to make it fair for the higher paying tiers. There is not much to say. Thats all there it is lol

 

[Steinchen]

You're vastly overestimating subscriber counts, and that's a big issue. The majority of devs, especially for AVN's, are lucky to get a few hundred dollars a month from subscribers. How many paying patrons do you think Flynn has? I looked - it's 243. And if the average amount per patron is around $5 or so, that's only ~$1250 (not factoring in patreon fees). How much money do you need each month to live?

Business wise, even just a few of those high paying patrons can equate to 8-14 low paying patrons. It's not ideal, but look at what happens when you have a low ceiling for new updates - someone leaks the game and people paying feel shafted and take their money somewhere else.

For whatever flak Flynn may get for his tiers and pricing, it is somewhat working. Ideally more people pledge, which then reduces any financial stress, which could potentially knock down the price of those higher tiers...but then that in itself could then cause early leaks, costing said patrons and shifting the prices again. There will never be a fair and equal balance, because money is involved. You either accept the situation and either become a patron at whatever tier you feel comfortable with, or just support Flynn by speaking positively about his game, or you don't accept it and you're not paying already so you don't lose out on anything.

i know how many supporters Flynn has i am one of them....

and maybe you underestimating things??
and that is the point that are all estimated numbers all you see are the number of paying subscribers for all devs thats all or if the devs wants us to see his incomes.
and still other devs have that numbers of supporters and have not so high tier ranks.
and it doesn´t change that it is still crazy how many money some people spent for something called high tier ranks and the "benefits"

that is why i wrote that is what i think.....

i did not say that he has a few thousand bucks as income here and never would dare to say he should change it that is not the reason i wrote that all.

you never will see if something works for you,untill proven otherwise.
but that is not for me to say..

 

[Steinchen]

People shouldn't pirate the game & atleast waiting

you see a leak here????
no?
so what is the problem??
even the dev is active here in this threat.

nobody leaked the game early here so far.

so go whining somewhere else

 

[Ford Mustang]

you see a leak here????
no?
so what is the problem??
even the dev is active here in this threat.

nobody leaked the game early here so far.

so go whining somewhere else

Whos whining?

 

[Steinchen]

Whos whining?

People shouldn't pirate the game & atleast waiting

forgot your own posting??
you whining about pirating on a pirating forum obviously
you think if someone whoever leaks a game here,that the forumstaff will wait a few weeks to post it here??
if its not beeing leaked that only means the devs supporters respect him enough to wait till it is postet on the lowest tiers.....
and i doubt the both highest tier ranks would leak it here.
and given the fact it takes up to 3 weeks to a month before the update reaches the lowest tier it will take a while to get postet here.....

so again complaining about pirating on a pirating forum is well...

 

[AlliedWar]

So many stupid comment about leak or no leak, and why this and why that. Maybe i should just leak it to save this thread? But then i remember that this is the only game on f95 that dosent want any leak so....

 

[SilentType]

So many stupid comment about leak or no leak, and why this and why that. Maybe i should just leak it to save this thread? But then i remember that this is the only game on f95 that dosent want any leak so....

The more weeb-y the game, the more people seem to be against leaks.

 

[shitass1001]

The more weeb-y the game, the more people seem to be against leaks.

It has nothing to do with how "weeby" a game is, for most in this thread its hoping that the game doesn't get abandoned, right now the dev relies on the support from this game to continue developing this game, also, the dev is fairly active here, and I have noticed the more active a dev is in the community the less likely a game is to be leaked.

 

[Phase_01]

So many stupid comment about leak or no leak, and why this and why that. Maybe i should just leak it to save this thread? But then i remember that this is the only game on f95 that dosent want any leak so....

I guarantee you this is not the only thread that is vocal about not wanting leaks, almost every top game where ppl are a fan of the dev's work will have this argument between fans vs piraters when a new update comes out