VN Ren'Py STWA: Unbroken [Pt. 7] [STWAdev]

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Dark Silence

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It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
It's not hard. I won't say it's lazy coding, it's more like codes get lost over time. I'm guilty of it also.
 
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Rehwyn

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It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
If you look at the Unbroken script, there's actually quite a lot of dialogue specific to Friend paths for the main LIs. It's just kind of hard to get them because you need their Friend points to be greater than Love points, which can be hard to do unless you avoid most all the more flirty, playful, physically affectionate actions.
 

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If you look at the Unbroken script, there's actually quite a lot of dialogue specific to Friend paths for the main LIs. It's just kind of hard to get them because you need their Friend points to be greater than Love points, which can be hard to do unless you avoid most all the more flirty, playful, physically affectionate actions.
I wasn't referring specifically to Unbroken. I was speaking more in general terms and how frustrating and annoying it can be.
 
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Mike the Red

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It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
It's not hard, just very tedious.
 

Skeltom

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It's not hard, just very tedious.
It's no harder or tedious than using any other variable in these things and if writing additional dialogue to represent that it too much work than said person probably shouldn't be making VNs. Not saying that is happening here, just in general.
 

Rehwyn

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On a related note, anyone else feel that even though Ines is obviously inexperienced in relationships and expressing herself that way, in many other ways she's one of the most emotionally mature members of the group, despite being the youngest? Honestly not that surprising considering the trauma the others have had.
 

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On a related note, anyone else feel that even though Ines is obviously inexperienced in relationships and expressing herself that way, in many other ways she's one of the most emotionally mature members of the group, despite being the youngest? Honestly not that surprising considering the trauma the others have had.
I've always been an Amrit fan, mostly cause I'm into tattooed women, but ines is quickly becoming my favorite. She was always attractive but the more of her personality they show, the more I like her.
 

Rehwyn

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I've always been an Amrit fan, mostly cause I'm into tattooed women, but ines is quickly becoming my favorite. She was always attractive but the more of her personality they show, the more I like her.
Yeah, agreed on both points. Not sure which LI is my favorite yet, but Ines definitely grew on me a lot in update 7. Good news is it wouldn't surprise me at all if Amrit+Ines is one of the throuples paths. ;)
 

Rehwyn

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god I hope so. lol. dream come true XD

not that elspeth isn't like the best choice for the MC but those two.....god damn :D
Well, we know that there's going to be 2 throuples. Ines+Vi wouldn't surprise me, but 3 other plausible ones come to mind (Amrit+Ines, Amrit+Kana, and Vi+Elspeth).

Amrit and Ines have been spending a lot of time together and growing closer. Oh yeah, and if in Mallorca during the pool scene you didn't look at Amrit or Ines, go back and do that. Can't take a screenshot now, but pretty much Amrit and Ines lean on MC, hold hands while groping MC, and gaze into each other's hooded eyes across his chest. If it hadn't been so early in the story and Vi hadn't been there, I would have expected a threesome to break out at any moment. :ROFLMAO:
 
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ModiThorrson

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Well, we know that there's going to be 2 throuples. Ines+Vi wouldn't surprise me, but 3 other plausible ones come to mind (Amrit+Ines, Amrit+Kana, and Vi+Elspeth).

Amrit and Ines have been spending a lot of time together and growing closer. Oh yeah, and if in Mallorca during the pool scene you didn't look at Amrit or Ines, go back and do that. Can't take a screenshot now, but pretty much Amrit and Ines lean on MC, hold hands while groping MC, and gaze into each other's hooded eyes across his chest. If it hadn't been so early in the story and Vi hadn't been there, I would have expected a threesome to break out at any moment. :ROFLMAO:
I remember that scene, it was pretty great. I'm doubtful about Els being in a throuple personally, she seems very out to "win" doesn't seem like the sharing type should things get serious. I may be confusing this game with another one but I'm pretty sure Vi said something to Ines at one point about not being willing to share, but it could have been a joke. Who knows though as long as Amrit and Ines are possible I'll be happy.
 

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I remember that scene, it was pretty great. I'm doubtful about Els being in a throuple personally, she seems very out to "win" doesn't seem like the sharing type should things get serious. I may be confusing this game with another one but I'm pretty sure Vi said something to Ines at one point about not being willing to share, but it could have been a joke. Who knows though as long as Amrit and Ines are possible I'll be happy.
Yeah, I wouldn't put money on Vi+Elspeth for the reasons you mentioned. However, in update 7 Els has the possibility to get some of the first "interested in girls" points available to her, and both are related to Vi, one when looking at the photo of Els and Vi in Mallorca where Els says Vi totally stole the show and the other if you just had sex the first time with Vi the other day and tell Els about it. Els says she's surprised by and admires her initiative.

So there's definitely at least the hints of some competitive admiration there, and if you played The Author you might be aware that the throuple path in that one started as a competition between the two girls, so it's a path the dev has shown a willingness to explore.
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't put money on Vi+Elspeth for the reasons you mentioned. However, in update 7 Els has the possibility to get some of the first "interested in girls" points available to her, and both are related to Vi, one when looking at the photo of Els and Vi in Mallorca where Els says Vi totally stole the show and the other if you just had sex the first time with Vi the other day and tell Els about it. Els says she's surprised by and admires her initiative.

So there's definitely at least the hints of some competitive admiration there, and if you played The Author you might be aware that the throuple path in that one started as a competition between the two girls, so it's a path the dev has shown a willingness to explore.
The author was great, my initial playthrough I pursued the little goth sister, but did some other endings as well.
 

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On a related note, anyone else feel that even though Ines is obviously inexperienced in relationships and expressing herself that way, in many other ways she's one of the most emotionally mature members of the group, despite being the youngest? Honestly not that surprising considering the trauma the others have had.
I would say that Kana feels the most emotionally mature to me. She's got her own place and is living fully independent, and while Trinity's betrayal broke her at the time, she has moved on from it significantly and is pushing forward to fixing her life (the MC supports her at times, but he is more along for the enjoyable ride at her side). The other LIs seem either a lot more angsty or a lot more dependent on the MC. Vi and the MC have broken through the "femme fatale" mask that Ines wore, but if you look closely it's still there in a lot of her behaviour. She's still a mystery regarding her private feelings. Notice how she didn't say: "I want to try this out" when getting intimate with MC, but instead says: "I saw this in a hentai". When it comes to sex, she's still in the "fake it 'til you make it" stage, and we don't know much about the "real" Ines stirring underneath that exterior.
 

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I would say that Kana feels the most emotionally mature to me. She's got her own place and is living fully independent, and while Trinity's betrayal broke her at the time, she has moved on from it significantly and is pushing forward to fixing her life (the MC supports her at times, but he is more along for the enjoyable ride at her side). The other LIs seem either a lot more angsty or a lot more dependent on the MC. Vi and the MC have broken through the "femme fatale" mask that Ines wore, but if you look closely it's still there in a lot of her behaviour. She's still a mystery regarding her private feelings. Notice how she didn't say: "I want to try this out" when getting intimate with MC, but instead says: "I saw this in a hentai". When it comes to sex, she's still in the "fake it 'til you make it" stage, and we don't know much about the "real" Ines stirring underneath that exterior.
I've gotta disagree, this may have porn content, but that doesn't mean that an LIs true character is defined by her kink(if there is one). She's shown her caring side, and yes a fair bit of insecurity, but it's endearing more than anything.

edit: I should have been more specific in that I disagree about Ines, you have some fair points about Kana though.
 
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Rehwyn

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I would say that Kana feels the most emotionally mature to me. She's got her own place and is living fully independent, and while Trinity's betrayal broke her at the time, she has moved on from it significantly and is pushing forward to fixing her life (the MC supports her at times, but he is more along for the enjoyable ride at her side). The other LIs seem either a lot more angsty or a lot more dependent on the MC. Vi and the MC have broken through the "femme fatale" mask that Ines wore, but if you look closely it's still there in a lot of her behaviour. She's still a mystery regarding her private feelings. Notice how she didn't say: "I want to try this out" when getting intimate with MC, but instead says: "I saw this in a hentai". When it comes to sex, she's still in the "fake it 'til you make it" stage, and we don't know much about the "real" Ines stirring underneath that exterior.
I at least partially agree about Kana, but at the same time I don't think she's moved on from Trin's betrayal (or whatever occurred) as much as you think. I'm 99% sure there's something deeper that happened there and Kana has let her anger and avoidance prevent her from hearing what Trin has to say about it. It feels like eventually to get closure she's going to need to have a heart-to-heart with Trin and she's not there yet.
 

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I at least partially agree about Kana, but at the same time I don't think she's moved on from Trin's betrayal (or whatever occurred) as much as you think. I'm 99% sure there's something deeper that happened there and Kana has let her anger and avoidance prevent her from hearing what Trin has to say about it. It feels like eventually to get closure she's going to need to have a heart-to-heart with Trin and she's not there yet.
I think it's pretty clear what else there is. It goes beyond just a betrayal. All the signs are there than Trin severely injured Kana's neck or spine forcing her to leave the sport. That's not just some squabble between friends.
 
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