Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Toudaioken]

So are we able to get Fortune as a companion yet?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

So are we able to get Fortune as a companion yet?

Not yet, just 3 ladies for now

 

[Deleted member 324588]

And here it is, the white knight of Studio FOW. I showed publicly the reason of ban that was provided to me and I will do it again so your lie about the reason being "spreading misinformation" won't slide.
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And don't lie about Studio not removing people from their discord just for disagreeing with them, again, one person even showed proof about reason being using particular emote under one of the announcements.

This is F95 forum, neither you or Studio FOW don't have any power here. Neither you or me influenced people into rating this game here. And it has below 50%. I would think again which of us was spreading misinformation to others all this time.

Keep thinking the game will redeem itself. For the sake of everyone here, I really hope you are right. I am too old however to believe it. Cases of No Man's Sky comeback are very rare.

Yeah reads like it was pretty well deserved. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just inflammatory negativity.

If people got banned from discord for emote usage, it was likely because they were trying to spell out offensive slurs, or using reaction emojis to circumvent a mute punishment. Again would also well be deserved.

Obviously. I can't control people's opinions here, but I can address their concerns and explain things as best as I can with publicly available information. As opposed to just spamming images with outdated wording.

And I will keep thinking it. Cuz FOW has never failed to finish anything. And if a lawsuit by Blizzard didn't stop them, nothing will.

 

[Razrback16]

This is the first time I write in a thread other than my own. This is because I really cared about the Subverse project, so I would like to share my thoughts with you.
I hope no one will be offended, both by my way of speaking about certain elements of the game, the fetishes and the way they have served this dish to us.
The initial premise, I’m on the side of all those players who don’t like tags like NTR/Sharing/Cuckold/Monster, and that I may repeat things that many of you have already discussed. I’ve known StudioFow since their prior works, since their Sophitia with Minotaur, and when I heard about the creation of Subverse, I was intrigued, but knowing their themes, I thought it just wouldn’t be a game for me.
Until the studio itself, in one of its announcements, said that the game would be vanilla compared to their work and that monsters would be optional.
This was the trigger that attracted many people, including me, to become interested in the project.
Given also the many promotional videos that always repeated: “Create your own harem of space waifu.”
So, I decided then that I would not support the Kickstarter campaign, but would buy the game on Day One, as the developers themselves said they would release it as a full game.
Given this promise, the famous date arrives, and consequently my purchase:

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Subverse amazed me but at the same time broke me, and I’ll explain why.
I’m going to talk separately about both the SFW and NSFW sides, with the addition of broken promises and improvements.
Graphically it is very nice, with fantastic voice acting and comic acting that you may or may not like.
I don’t even have any complaints about the bullet hell and strategy sections, also because they were not made by StudioFow, but by another independent studio; I know many people have complained about their simplicity, but guys, that’s normal. That wasn’t supposed to be the focus of the game. Pointless to say go play Xcom or Touhou Project.
The backgrounds are also well done.
The only flaws in this side I would like to point to are not being able to include waifu in battle and leaving xenos aside. Why can’t I go full girls in battle? Maybe it will be added later.
Secondary, the Mary Celeste is bare, there are monsters and crew members around, why not show them?
Now let’s talk about the sore spot, the NSFW zone.
A big mistake in my opinion was the implementation of the Pandora System, where pieces of video were cut out so that everyone’s fetishes could be respected.
The result? Disconnected scenes with no logical sense.
It’s a porn game, you can’t leave these scenes out, not connecting them to the story and without giving development of the relationships with the girls that led them to do that scene.
The devs themselves said, “The game will be more Vanilla than our works, the monster scenes will be optional”. I’m fine with them being there, people who aren’t interested like me don’t watch them or unlock them, not unlocked, never happened, but the way pandora is set up, is bad. As far as girls are concerned, the sense of optional has been misused, as optional in this case means lost content. There were plenty of ways to implement this, one of which was to create side quests or scenes that happened randomly in the ship. I give an example with Killision. Side event: Crew members ask you if they can fuck her, double choice, yeah sure, you unlocked the gangbang, second choice, touch Killision and I’ll chop your dicks off, cowgirl unlocked with killision. The same thing for her Chimerina too, no monster, then doggystyle with cap. This is optional and integrated with the story, not like they did the pandora system. They got their way of advertising the game wrong, and as a result, they attracted many people like me, also because as one goal said more scenes with xenos, another one implied more scenes without.
We have to say that most of the funds came not from those who wanted the monsters, but from the other side.
Then the Lily problem, okay she’s the one who likes alien dicks, but what if I don’t want that to happen in my gameplay? Simple, unlock nothing. The problem is that the scenes I’m interested in, the ones with the MC, are two. What do I do with the others? Give us an alternative.

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Also, these days on Discord they have said that Lily will receive many scenes with the Cap, we’ll see.
I understand that vanilla fans complain about the presence of monsters, but the blame also lies with how the game was advertised.
Want a simple solution? A button that removes/hides those scenes from the listings, so even the most “visually sensitive” will stop complaining.
Returning to Discord, there you will find a beautiful list of broken promises.

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Played them all, the old ones have more interactions and last much longer than a 5-second gif.

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We have the Early Access, there are three girls and none are romanceable.

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Are you confirming that the scenes were well placed at the beginning? Possibly, since the Pandora System went from a loyalty system to a skill tree to just buy scene and watch.

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This is more roleplay style than what we have, events of scenes that unlock other scenes.

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Should we expect them later or have you reconsidered? Since the models of the off-screen characters are distorted.

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This is the biggest change since the game was initially supposed to come out complete, but then why make an Early Access? I think I know why.

Little addition I make, but why not also put female Xenos? They are still alien monsters, you said we would be able to fuck all alien races, but does that only imply male ones? I think so.

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So, StudioFow, who is the game really for? In my opinion, you have made a mistake in trying to grab as much audience as possible in an attempt to increase profit, but in doing so you have given it to everyone but in a lazy and wrong way.
You've already stated that the Pandora System will not be changed, and that's fine, but I'm hoping for improvements for that at least.
In the end, they decided to release an Early Access to test the ground and see how the public would react. Well, they've broken it in two, Vanilla people who expected a different game and monster people who expected harder scenes. I hope they can understand all the criticism we're giving them, even if some people say they're taking out the negative reviews on Steam and saying that the game is a success.
Sorry for the long speech from someone who prefers vanilla and avoids other fetishes, but I really cared about Subverse, and I really hope they improve it, the potential is there, let's hope it doesn't go to waste.

Dude, this is a really good post. Echoes a lot of my own feelings, and I LOVE your idea of the choice system for the narrative based scenes being based on options as you described. Your example with the crew and Killision is fantastic and allows the player to actually shape the Captain's personality a bit as well as the content.

If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend you post what you stated above into the Steam discussion thread stickied to the top of its general forum for Subverse titled "REQUEST/FEEDBACK THREAD". I've read that the Devs intend to check out people's comments in that thread, and despite some exceptionally good commentary in this thread, I am skeptical that Studio FOW actually checks out F95, even though, despite it being a pirate site, there are lots of folks here who are willing to spend money on games when they feel they are worth it, many of us back games and developers we like on Patreon as well. I own a number of F95 games on Steam and have backed on Patreon myself. The fact that you have experience as a game dev adds further clout to your post as well, IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Dude, this is a really good post. Echoes a lot of my own feelings, and I LOVE your idea of the choice system for the narrative based scenes being based on options as you described. Your example with the crew and Killision is fantastic and allows the player to actually shape the Captain's personality a bit as well as the content.

If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend you post what you stated above into the Steam discussion thread stickied to the top of its general forum for Subverse titled "REQUEST/FEEDBACK THREAD". I've read that the Devs intend to check out people's comments in that thread, and despite some exceptionally good commentary in this thread, I am skeptical that Studio FOW actually checks out F95, even though, despite it being a pirate site, there are lots of folks here who are willing to spend money on games when they feel they are worth it, many of us back games and developers we like on Patreon as well. I own a number of F95 games on Steam and have backed on Patreon myself. The fact that you have experience as a game dev adds further clout to your post as well, IMHO.

I don't know if they are checking it, but I can certainly confirm that a lot of opinions here match up to what they've been saying on discord. Aside from the obvious inflammatory conspiracy crap, of course.

 

[Kernist]

Yeah reads like it was pretty well deserved. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just inflammatory negativity.

If people got banned from discord for emote usage, it was likely because they were trying to spell out offensive slurs, or using reaction emojis to circumvent a mute punishment. Again would also well be deserved.

Obviously. I can't control people's opinions here, but I can address their concerns and explain things as best as I can with publicly available information. As opposed to just spamming images with outdated wording.

And I will keep thinking it. Cuz FOW has never failed to finish anything. And if a lawsuit by Blizzard didn't stop them, nothing will.

That's fair. You have your beliefs, I have mine. To be honest I also think the game will be finished, i just don't believe it will be anything more than 'average" (again, let's hope you are right in this situation).

Even I will admit that you are doing a great job about informing people what is/isn't in the game and what Studio FOW's plans for the future are. I would recommend others however to be careful when asking you about opinion regarding anything concerning this game. Yes, I am biased when it comes to negativity towards Studio FOW. All my experiences with them between KS campaign and this release made me unable to promise I can give 100% neutral opinion here. Even I however was able to admit when something looked promising (examples being I praised VA when they gave us samples, I praised SHMUP backgrounds, I praised animations shown in the trailer). Please, prove me wrong, but I don't remember you saying anything bad about any aspect of the game before release. You never had any shadow of doubt, you were arguing constantly with me and me alike in KS comments.

My point is maybe I am biased, but you are too. And you won't convince me otherwise, we interacted with each other too much before.

 

[Razrback16]

I'm still hoping for improvements, I didn't want to participate in the Kickstarter out of fear, and I think I did the right thing, but I don't want to ask Steam for a refund either. I want to keep believing that they can surprise us, for the good.
But if the surprise will be that they change direction and go full monsters, well, I'm out of the game.

Ya, I probably would have participated in the KS if I had seen it in time, but at this point I'm really glad I didn't. I had also intended on buying the game on day 1 and possibly even pre-ordering it, had that been an option (and I NEVER pre-order, so that should convey how excited I was for this game), but a post here on F95 saved me from that would-be error and made me very skeptical. At this point I will be very curious to see v1.0 and hoping for major improvements. The XXX content is bad so far, and Pandora is terrible for all of the reasons you outlined in your earlier post. I do consider the art to be really well-done in the game, and the schmup missions to be enjoyable, along with exceptional voice acting, and that is the only reason I will likely buy the game at a $10-15 price point currently at v1.0 release unless MAJOR changes are made to the game that I am happy with.

I will admit, I'm incredibly skeptical on Studio FOW fixing the issues many of us have with the game. I expect them to make 'improvements' but I'm not sure it'll be enough, as to fix these issues, they will likely need an overhaul, which would be expensive, and they are a small studio.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

That's fair. You have your beliefs, I have mine. To be honest I also think the game will be finished, i just don't believe it will be anything more than 'average" (again, let's hope you are right in this situation).

Even I will admit that you are doing a great job about informing people what is/isn't in the game and what Studio FOW's plans for the future are. I would recommend others however to be careful when asking you about opinion regarding anything concerning this game. Yes, I am biased when it comes to negativity towards Studio FOW. All my experiences with them between KS campaign and this release made me unable to promise I can give 100% neutral opinion here. Even I however was able to admit when something looked promising (examples being I praised VA when they gave us samples, I praised SHMUP backgrounds, I praised animations shown in the trailer). Please, prove me wrong, but I don't remember you saying anything bad about any aspect of the game before release. You never had any shadow of doubt, you were arguing constantly with me and me alike in KS comments.

My point is maybe I am biased, but you are too. And you won't convince me otherwise, we interacted with each other too much before.

I didn't have doubts because I had no reason to doubt. FOW has kept their word throughout their movie making time with SFM. And any decision they made during the campaign was given with an explanation. I understand that you and many others felt 'betrayed' by the first cancellation of early access, but I feel what we got now is a much better version than if they had just done it each chapter one by one back in 2019.

 

[Razrback16]

I don't know if they are checking it, but I can certainly confirm that a lot of opinions here match up to what they've been saying on discord. Aside from the obvious inflammatory conspiracy crap, of course.

That's good to hear - I hate Discord so I never use it for any games I follow. I've tried to give meaningful feedback on the Steam forums though in the hope it's heard. I'm doubtful it amounts to the type of changes I'm seeking, but I feel better at least doing what I can, though.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

That's good to hear - I hate Discord so I never use it for any games I follow. I've tried to give meaningful feedback on the Steam forums though in the hope it's heard. I'm doubtful it amounts to the type of changes I'm seeking, but I feel better at least doing what I can, though.

Well Mr. K said this a few days ago, so I'm sure they're listening.

 

[Razrback16]

Well Mr. K said this a few days ago, so I'm sure they're listening.

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Ya I saw where you posted that previously, also - guess only time will tell at this point. Do you have any information as far as how long they are thinking releases will be spaced out? Given the amount of heavy criticism I'm going to speculate that it'll be months before the next release.

 

[Kernist]

I didn't have doubts because I had no reason to doubt. FOW has kept their word throughout their movie making time with SFM. And any decision they made during the campaign was given with an explanation. I understand that you and many others felt 'betrayed' by the first cancellation of early access, but I feel what we got now is a much better version than if they had just done it each chapter one by one back in 2019.

You are probably right, after all original plan was constructed without expectation of the project being so much of a success. The only advantage of releasing chapter one by one would be that reported early on it could be still possible to fix PANDORA to satisfy more people.

75% of my complaints was about cancelling one of the rewards, promised EA. At the end of the day, we still got it. It's kinda funny. On purpose or not, they DID fulfill this reward. Ironic indeed.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Ya I saw where you posted that previously, also - guess only time will tell at this point. Do you have any information as far as how long they are thinking releases will be spaced out? Given the amount of heavy criticism I'm going to speculate that it'll be months before the next release.

They mentioned on Kickstarter today they'll have a more comprehensive post on their plans going forward soon. So just a matter of time.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Wow banned huh? For a company that's known to be anti-pc that was a pc move.

The description of the ban goes far beyond being "political correct"...

I bought into many early access games over the years, beta tested mmo's etc. Even engaged in conversation with devs in games I where passionate about. If you want to get anywhere, you need to offer constructive criticism, and be polite. Or at least don't act like a jackass. No one will take you serious then.

 

[Izalith]

Imho, once people start find themselves being cucked to alien xeno beasts in their own livingroom.... They can throw up those NTR cards... Do you guys suffer from the whole NTR thing when your gf/wife have fun with their plastic rabbits etc as well? Or just when they please themselves with something rival wilde beast in iq?

That's not a good comparison. Most people would draw the line at living creatures.
People don't care if their wives use toys to pleasure themselves; however 99% would NOT be okay with their wives fucking the family dog, even if we assume "mutual consent" took place.

Same thing in this game. No one would give a fuck if the women used vibrators or toys to pleasure themselves.
The second you introduce animals and other sapient things in there, obviously people are going to get upset. As long as your lover is fucking something that's not you, there's jealousy involved and people will scream NTR.

Studio FOW fucked up here by not making this optional. You advertise this game as "waifu-harem collection," obviously you're going to have Steam casuals self-inserting, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEDIUM. You don't think people are self-inserting when they read Harry Potter? They definitely do; I know my nephew loved to imagine himself as Harry Potter and painted a scar on his forehead.

That's why people always bitch about VNs with asshole protags; no one wants to relate to or control such a character.

Just hide the problematic dialogue/scenes under optional setting. The vanilla-lovers and monster-fetishers can go on their merry way, everyone's happy, case closed. (Ignoring the fact that the sex absolutely sucks for a porn game. Sex with no buildup or dialogue is so disappointing.)

They did the worst possible solution by putting all sex scenes under Pandora, yet still leaving the hints of "NTR" in the story. Like WTF so uninspired.

 

[Joshua Tree]

That's not a good comparison. Most people would draw the line at living creatures.
People don't care if their wives use toys to pleasure themselves; however 99% would NOT be okay with their wives fucking the family dog, even if we assume "mutual consent" took place.

Same thing in this game. No one would give a fuck if the women used vibrators or toys to pleasure themselves.
The second you introduce animals and other sapient things in there, obviously people are going to get upset. As long as your lover is fucking something that's not you, there's jealousy involved and people will scream NTR.

Studio FOW fucked up here by not making this optional. You advertise this game as "waifu-harem collection," obviously you're going to have Steam casuals self-inserting, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEDIUM. You don't think people are self-inserting when they read Harry Potter? They definitely do; I know my nephew loved to imagine himself as Harry Potter and painted a scar on his forehead.

That's why people always bitch about VNs with asshole protags; no one wants to relate to or control such a character.

Just hide the problematic dialogue/scenes under optional setting. The vanilla-lovers and monster-fetishers can go on their merry way, everyone's happy, case closed. (Ignoring the fact that the sex absolutely sucks for a porn game. Sex with no buildup or dialogue is so disappointing.)

They did the worst possible solution by putting all sex scenes under Pandora, yet still leaving the hints of "NTR" in the story. Like WTF so uninspired.

People should be able to see the difference between like the family dog and some out of this world xeno beasts though. Its fiction and fantasy. I see this nothing worse than tentacle stuff. Been a while seen I saw someone express they suffered ntr from tentacles...

You have some buildup though to the first "recruitment" scene. In the simple terms of "you do this for me and I let you screw my holes"...

Also there is many options that could become available in the bar when dating the girls. How that end up we can't say for certain now, we just have to wait and see. Also the pandora isn't that terrible in regard of lewd stuff in the long term. If they just tied sex scenes into dialogues and interactions/scenes, it could be very hard for them to inject new sex scenes later, while in Pandora they can just keep pile on a whole clusterfuck of sex scenes without have to worry about such.

 

[KtDXXd5]

It entered early access and "sold" 60,000 odd copies the first microsecond when they issued the keys to backers.

The keys were issued much earlier. You could add the game to your library months ago.

 

[Danlorn]

That's not a good comparison. Most people would draw the line at living creatures.
People don't care if their wives use toys to pleasure themselves; however 99% would NOT be okay with their wives fucking the family dog, even if we assume "mutual consent" took place.

Same thing in this game. No one would give a fuck if the women used vibrators or toys to pleasure themselves.
The second you introduce animals and other sapient things in there, obviously people are going to get upset. As long as your lover is fucking something that's not you, there's jealousy involved and people will scream NTR.

Studio FOW fucked up here by not making this optional. You advertise this game as "waifu-harem collection," obviously you're going to have Steam casuals self-inserting, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEDIUM. You don't think people are self-inserting when they read Harry Potter? They definitely do; I know my nephew loved to imagine himself as Harry Potter and painted a scar on his forehead.

That's why people always bitch about VNs with asshole protags; no one wants to relate to or control such a character.

Just hide the problematic dialogue/scenes under optional setting. The vanilla-lovers and monster-fetishers can go on their merry way, everyone's happy, case closed. (Ignoring the fact that the sex absolutely sucks for a porn game. Sex with no buildup or dialogue is so disappointing.)

They did the worst possible solution by putting all sex scenes under Pandora, yet still leaving the hints of "NTR" in the story. Like WTF so uninspired.

Dammit, that's 100% right, ma dude! I'm really glad to see comments like this here and on the official SFOW's discord. I'm glad that there's many people who feel and think this way. My only hope is that SFOW would really freakin listen to us and not take their success on steam along with positive reviews there (many of which are just silly jokes like "hehe I got a blowjob from a robot in this game lol, 10/10") as a solid reason to keep treating their game as they did with v0.1. Because their v0.1 is a way too questionable product in comparison to what they promised and how they advertised it. They need to freakin listen and re-work/change some crappy parts. Otherwise this project would be a big disappointment which is very sad to me because I like this game and I goddamn love those waifus

 

[thormented]

Judging from their other works, I expected at the very least light NTR from the very beginning.

Surely no one would think a studio that does nothing but extremely hardcore sex scenes would shy away from hitting as many mainstream hardcore fetishes as possible right?

 

[Izalith]

People should be able to see the difference between like the family dog and some out of this world xeno beasts though. Its fiction and fantasy. I see this nothing worse than tentacle stuff. Been a while seen I saw someone express they suffered ntr from tentacles...

You have some buildup though to the first "recruitment" scene. In the simple terms of "you do this for me and I let you screw my holes"...

Also there is many options that could become available in the bar when dating the girls. How that end up we can't say for certain now, we just have to wait and see. Also the pandora isn't that terrible in regard of lewd stuff in the long term. If they just tied sex scenes into dialogues and interactions/scenes, it could be very hard for them to inject new sex scenes later, while in Pandora they can just keep pile on a whole clusterfuck of sex scenes without have to worry about such.

Yes, it's fictional. People cried while watching Spirited Away, and that's also fiction.
You can't rationalize this stuff; viewers will always self-insert and sympathize with fictional characters.

You're right people don't cry about tentacle hentai. But that's because works with tentacles are heavily advertised as such. Every doujin with tentacles will have them front and center, so people know what to expect. If you have a vanilla romcom work then suddenly it ended with tentacle rape on your love interest, 100% sure there will be endless bitching in the comments.

The problem is Studio FOW advertised their game as "waifu collector." Some peeps enjoy seeing their waifus defiled, others are more protective. But the existence of complaints meant that some people surely felt misled about what's in the game.

I'm not surprised there's tentacle/beastiality crap (since it's Studio FOW), but not every casual on Steam would know this. They see waifu collector porn game and go "Oh neat, time to romance some waifus." Then the waifu they're chasing mentions how last night was so awesome with a certain eldritch abomination and yeah, cue them saying "fuck this cuckold shit."

I don't actually care for quantity of scenes... I just want them well-integrated into the story for more sensuality and character-developing. Character randomly being anal-drilled on a table means nothing without proper context. Subverse can have five scenes total for every character and I wouldn't care, so long as they have leadup and are FAPPABLE.