SajuukKhar

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Sir, as respectful as I want to be towards your capability of judgement, you have just brought bullshitting to a whole new level
This is even not something the old but gold saying "to each their own" can explain
The ever infamous "I'm not actually going to bother to make any sort of argument, I'm just going to call you a bullshitter because I know I have no means to defend my stance" retort. Cute, childish, but cute.

I would, quite honestly, rather play anything over Fallen Doll or Wild Life. They aren't fun, they aren't even interesting. I've gotten more out of those awful DAZ 3D VNs then I have out of those games because there is at least something there.
 
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omegabox

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The ever infamous "I'm not actually going to bother to make any sort of argument, I'm just going to call you a bullshitter because I know I have no means to defend my stance" retort. Cute, childish, but cute.
Calling someone childish is basically the most childish thing one can do online, you know...

I'm try to be neutral here since it's more of a taste thing, but it's apparent that your standard of what is "good" is vastly different from the mainstream. Well simply look up the ratings of the games you mentioned on F95 and see for yourself.
 

Gsundheit

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Is there any way to open it without Steam? I can`t open it because I am from Germany and it is here blocked from Steam. Now I have it on my PC but can`t open it. Please help
 

SajuukKhar

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Calling someone childish is basically the most childish thing one can do online, you know...

I'm try to be neutral here since it's more of a taste thing, but it's apparent that your standard of what is "good" is vastly different from the mainstream. Well simply look up the ratings of the games you mentioned on F95 and see for yourself.
Ratings are one of the least useful metrics of game popularity anywhere, be it here/Steam/Metacritic/wherever. The vast majority of people don't rate games in the first place, which skews ratings to the hardcore, and thus makes them non representative of the mainstream. This is skewed even further in recent years due to stupid stuff like brigades of people vote bombing/pushing up review scores. And the fact that more specialty sites such as this one tend to rate things as either 5 stars or 1 star, with little in the way of nuanced middle opinions.

If you want to look at mainstream you would need to look at what the highest selling/most funded games are, since those are far more accurate statistics to measure to what most people like then ratings are. And, even in the Japanese market, VNs, or games with RPG-lite mechanics like Evenicle, are the overwhelming majority of porn games. Things akin to Fallen Doll, such as Honey Select, aren't a particularly common kind of game. And while HS is by no means an unpopular/niche game, it by no means represents the general market even there.

The same is true of western porn games. Out of the top 100 adult video game creators on Patreon, theres all of like two in this category. Those being Fallen Doll, and Wild Life. And Dark Cookie is currently sitting at number 1, with nearly 3 times as many patrons as Wild Life has, and 1.7 times as many patrons as Fallen Doll does. Subverse itself was one of the most funded games out there, and was the global top seller on Steam, and it marketed itself as nothing like games like HS/FD/WL.

The overwhelming majority of people throwing money at western porn devs aren't doing it for games like HS/FD/WL, they are doing it for more VN style games, or RPG-lite kinds of games. Games like FD, and WL, represent a far more niche market, and are the definition of not mainstream because of it.
 
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Razrback16

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Is there any way to open it without Steam? I can`t open it because I am from Germany and it is here blocked from Steam. Now I have it on my PC but can`t open it. Please help
Check a page or two back - there is info on the crack files as well as a separate pre-cracked torrent.
 
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tacirid726

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[Cheat Engine Table]
(you need cheat engine to use it. Duh.)
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  • Download, extract anywhere and open it.
  • Click the glowing PC icon top left
  • Select the game (which is the same name as the CE file)
  • Keep current code list? Yes
  • Continue game or Start New game.
If the 3 values in CE change to the ones matching Bio/Tek/Creds in the game, gg wp ez.​
If the 3 values are ??? or a random number, it won't work.​
(you HAVE to pass the tutorial first and unlock the upgrade menu.)
Update: All 3 PP added.
doesn't work for me. how do you find the values?
 

Treaddd

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Now that I've finished the available content I'm able to see why some people have an issue with the game, but by no means does it deserve all the hate it seems to be getting. First off, yeah, the porn content is fairly lacking and takes some time to unlock. But it didn't take long before I stopped playing the game for the porn and was focused on the story/writing/character interactions. It's funny throughout, and it really seems like they're setting up for a pretty complex and interesting story. That said, there were several points where I felt the exposition dragged on WAY too long. All in all though the fantastic voice acting and amusing writing carried me through the end; I was bummed to realize I'd reached the end of early access. Seems like it's going to be quite a while before the game is complete but I'm sure the finished product will be something special.
 
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Grak112

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Now that I've finished the available content I'm able to see why some people have an issue with the game, but by no means does it deserve all the hate it seems to be getting. First off, yeah, the porn content is fairly lacking and takes some time to unlock. But it didn't take long before I stopped playing the game for the porn and was focused on the story/writing/character interactions. It's funny throughout, and it really seems like they're setting up for a pretty complex and interesting story. That said, there were several points where I felt the exposition dragged on WAY too long. All in all though the fantastic voice acting and amusing writing carried me through the end; I was bummed to realize I'd reached the end of early access. Seems like it's going to be quite a while before the game is complete but I'm sure the finished product will be something special.
I see no hatred. All I see is criticism.
 
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You mean the game which is on Patreon since more than 3 years and when you click on "start the game" it redirect you to the patreon page of the creator ?
Yea isnt subverse 2 - 3 years in the making (and the final product is a watchable Dialoge with short h clips ) ?
It is for 30 € on steam and either complete free to play, so what u want ??
 
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Joshua Tree

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You think the reason people mention money is just because they're pointing at the money as the reason?
The money went to voice acting, went to 3d modeling, went to developing the game.

The disappointment regarding money isn't just that the game has 2 million dollars backing it. It's how it was spent, and the game received.

I follow quite a few early access games. I can tell you that even among the early access games, this game isn't that high up.
Every game on this site is a early access game until its completed... There is things released with a 2 minute intro of some nice renders with a cringefest of text that make people go apeshit and plaster 5 star reviews all over the place.

How money is spent doesn't matter diddly before you see the finished product. Difference with Subverse though and all of these other games/vn's (whatever). You did cash up front for entire game, you didn't end up pledge 10 bucks (whatever) to a creator for years. Then again, on a site such as this that dedicated to piracy of adult content, the whole money issue is stupid to start with.
 

Joshua Tree

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Yea isnt subverse 2 - 3 years in the making (and the final product is a watchable Dialoge with short h clips ) ?
It is for 30 € on steam and either complete free to play, so what u want ??
Subverse is in early access. The release is considered a 0.1 if any. And no one know what or how the final product will end up be.
 

Joshua Tree

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Ratings are one of the least useful metrics of game popularity anywhere, be it here/Steam/Metacritic/wherever. The vast majority of people don't rate games in the first place, which skews ratings to the hardcore, and thus makes them non representative of the mainstream. This is skewed even further in recent years due to stupid stuff like brigades of people vote bombing/pushing up review scores. And the fact that more specialty sites such as this one tend to rate things as either 5 stars or 1 star, with little in the way of nuanced middle opinions.
Ratings/reviews on this site compared to like steam, that's completely two different animals. You can have a 0.1 intro release show up on this site with very nice renders, and some garbage story a 5yr old could put together and people bombard it with 5 stars and praise it to the sky. And for all they know, couple months later it carry an abandoned tag.

Take Subverse on steam, it got atm 8069 reviews of which 6988 is positive (3317 very positive) and 1081 negative.
The only other adult game on steam that got some frontpage headline lately I can think about is Huniepop double date, which got 5399 reviews total so far with 4959 being positive. (From my brief stint with Double date, my conclusion ended up; people that get excited from this, get an erection from playing Candy Crush or similar as well).

Someone did mention House Party above some place. It still show as "early access" on steam (since 2017). In terms of reviews after almost 4 years in early access on steam it got 8789 reviews of which 7772 positive and 1017 negative. Someone said they made 5 mill on it? idk...

As for people vote/review bombing, afaik that more about give bad reviews/rating than the opposite. I think some shady developers more prone to up vote their own shit than their fan's inclined to.
 

Vace234

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Ratings are one of the least useful metrics of game popularity anywhere, be it here/Steam/Metacritic/wherever. The vast majority of people don't rate games in the first place, which skews ratings to the hardcore, and thus makes them non representative of the mainstream. This is skewed even further in recent years due to stupid stuff like brigades of people vote bombing/pushing up review scores. And the fact that more specialty sites such as this one tend to rate things as either 5 stars or 1 star, with little in the way of nuanced middle opinions.
I will agree that the rating system and review system is out of whack. There needs to be a better way to stop bombing in general because you have to two extremes that ruin any room for fair reviews. Site likes Steam and Metacritic would rather take a hand off approach until they get accused of something only then intervening.

I have seen many times people trashing a game because SJW's somehow ruined it and also seen those same types of people upvote trash games simply because it's a middle finger to the boogeyman.
 
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Joshua Tree

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I have seen many times people trashing a game because SJW's somehow ruined it and also seen those same types of people upvote trash games simply because it's a middle finger to the boogeyman.
Hardly see it as a SJW problem people trashing adult games review bombing them etc though. The whole SJW label is stupid, it's like gather a wide range of people and beliefs under one and judge them. Same as with group everything in the center or at the right as the same. I rather look at it as there is idiots in all camps. You have people get upset over seeing a naked boob, ass (whatever), in a game and then go on a rampage about it, meanwhile they have no calms about playing Call of duty etc where whole purpose is to kill other players.

You have idiot politicians (yes, all over the world) that campaign to outlaw the likes of GTA because it got carjacking in it, but have no issue support NRA and peoples right to arm themselves with AR's (whatever automatic weapons) and join in on the "hopes and prayers" at the next mass shooting.

Stereotyping, group labeling etc is just fucked up. Idiots being idiots... I can agree with people all over the specter but doesn't mean I agree with everything they say or stand for.
 
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Vace234

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Hardly see it as a SJW problem people trashing adult games review bombing them etc though. The whole SJW label is stupid, it's like gather a wide range of people and beliefs under one and judge them. Same as with group everything in the center or at the right as the same. I rather look at it as there is idiots in all camps. You have people get upset over seeing a naked boob, ass (whatever), in a game and then go on a rampage about it, meanwhile they have no calms about playing Call of duty etc where whole purpose is to kill other players.

You have idiot politicians (yes, all over the world) that campaign to outlaw the likes of GTA because it got carjacking in it, but have no issue support NRA and peoples right to arm themselves with AR's (whatever automatic weapons) and join in on the "hopes and prayers" at the next mass shooting.

Stereotyping, group labeling etc is just fucked up. Idiots being idiots... I can agree with people all over the specter but doesn't mean I agree with everything they say or stand for.
You hardly see it as a sjw problem because it's not a sjw problem. It's a person who gets a taste of power problem and decides to abuse it. This is a problem the majority of people suffer from. The Sjw part of my post was me pointing a small reason of why the review/rating system is messed up from what I saw.
 
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Joshua Tree

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You hardly see it as a sjw problem because it's not a sjw problem. It's a person who gets a taste of power problem and decides to abuse it. This is a problem the majority of people suffer from. The Sjw part of my post was me pointing a small reason of why the review/rating system is messed up from what I saw.
Well if you look at the reviews for Subverse on this site, its fucked up, but not because of sjw's :ROFLMAO:
 

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Well if you look at the reviews for Subverse on this site, its fucked up, but not because of sjw's :ROFLMAO:
The best thing would be to review only games with a "completed tag", but knowing how many games here are never completed, the whole review system would become useless.
 

Joshua Tree

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The best thing would be to review only games with a "completed tag", but knowing how many games here are never completed, the whole review system would become useless.
Maybe should had something similar to "steam curators" on the site. Reviews and recommendations that is less based on bias and emotions. There is those that make great reviews around here, just, they in a minority imho.
 
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