Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[SomeOriginalUsername]

Well, wouldn't necessary have to be someone just confined to adult content either.

I dunno, the person in question has to be a non-adult and non-animation content creator (since the top non-adult animator only has 7.8k patrons) for that to be possible, but at that point there's no reason to include those patrons in to the numbers because it doesn't reflect their popularity or ability in either field.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I dunno, the person in question has to be a non-adult and non-animation content creator (since the top non-adult animator only has 7.8k patrons) for that to be possible, but at that point there's no reason to include those patrons in to the numbers because it doesn't reflect their popularity or ability in either field.

Maybe the patreon numbers in the messagte was just inflated to hide the identity of the person If it was somone that venture into the world of adult content and lewdness maybe they someone that frequent this site.. so

"May I have your attention, please?
Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Slim Shady please stand up?"

 

[mohsenbahadorixz]

hey guys i have a question : is there a complation of all sex scene in the game??

 

[keymon2]

hey guys i have a question : is there a complation of all sex scene in the game??

atm there is only maybe 10

 

[TK8000]

And I'm sorry, but I'm going to be a little rude here: what the fuck does "What cannot be forged, however, is the end result and I am 99.9% sure that Subverse models use the same hand as Honey Select" even mean?

What I meant is that it is possible to see that the hands have the same proportions and most likely the same geometry even when comparing the images of both games, without having to extract the models. So I'm pretty sure that both hands came from the same source. However, as I said, this does not prove anything, since both devs may have gone after the same source in a legal way.

If I have time today, I will try to extract the models and compare them in Blender. Then I post the results here.

About the UV map, I agree with you, according to the image you posted they are not really identical, just very similar.

 

[SomeOriginalUsername]

What I meant is that it is possible to see that the hands have the same proportions and most likely the same geometry even when comparing the images of both games, without having to extract the models. So I'm pretty sure that both hands came from the same source. However, as I said, this does not prove anything, since both devs may have gone after the same source in a legal way.

If I have time today, I will try to extract the models and compare them in Blender. Then I post the results here.

About the UV map, I agree with you, according to the image you posted they are not really identical, just very similar.

Thanks in advance for putting in the effort then, would really appreciate the comparison.

 

[TK8000]

Thanks in advance for putting in the effort then, would really appreciate the comparison.

Okay, I compared the standard Honey Select model to the Subverse "Lily" model.

What I noticed. The model clearly has the same source, but the Subverse is slightly modified (the fingers are smoother). The Subverse is slightly stretched too.

As I said before, this is not proof that Subverse stole things from other games, we do not know, for example, what the origin of both hands is and in the current industry it is extremely common for companies to simply acquire assets from third parties.

Even in the case that someone on the Subverse team actually "borrowed" parts of the Honey Select models it probably won't have any negative consequences for them. Everyone knows about the countless games on Patreon that use assets from Honey Select (I make one of them), in addition to the fact that there are games on Steam being sold with assets totally stolen from Illusion for years without being taken down (Waifu School is an example).

Anyway, if I were from Studio FOW, and had commissioned these models from another guy, I would contact him now to ask for detailed explanations. If the guy acted maliciously, I would probably go to court (we are talking about a 2 million project here). And I would also make a patch with new models for the hands to avoid problems. But this is ONLY in the case that there are no alternative and legitimate explanations for the fact that the models have the same origin.

 

[SomeOriginalUsername]

Okay, I compared the standard Honey Select model to the Subverse "Lily" model.

What I noticed. The model clearly has the same source, but the Subverse is slightly modified (the fingers are smoother). The Subverse is slightly stretched too.

As I said before, this is not proof that Subverse stole things from other games, we do not know, for example, what the origin of both hands is and in the current industry it is extremely common for companies to simply acquire assets from third parties.

Even in the case that someone on the Subverse team actually "borrowed" parts of the Honey Select models it probably won't have any negative consequences for them. Everyone knows about the countless games on Patreon that use assets from Honey Select (I make one of them), in addition to the fact that there are games on Steam being sold with assets totally stolen from Illusion for years without being taken down (Waifu School is an example).

Anyway, if I were from Studio FOW, and had commissioned these models from another guy, I would contact him now to ask for detailed explanations. If the guy acted maliciously, I would probably go to court (we are talking about a 2 million project here). And I would also make a patch with new models for the hands to avoid problems. But this is ONLY in the case that there are no alternative and legitimate explanations for the fact that the models have the same origin.

Hmm, interesting and pretty bad news for StudioFOW. Unfortunately your case doesn't really apply to Subverse, because (unless I'm mistaken), your games only use still images of Honey Select models, which is technically legal because you aren't copying and distributing the model itself; this changes completely in a game like Subverse, where the model is being distributed (even if it has to be extracted from the game files). The only way they wouldn't get in trouble is if a) they licensed the use of the model or b) the model was actually built from scratch, but copied all of the Honey Select's models proportions (which I believe is how sites that provided models to SFM artists avoided getting sued, because they were distributing models that looked identical and weren't actually ripped game assets).

Edit: that being said, I do believe there is some level of protection for people who paid for work-for-hire content that turned out to be stolen, so it's not like StudioFOW's doomed. It would definitely delay development of the game significantly though.

 

[Quintilus]

Okay, I compared the standard Honey Select model to the Subverse "Lily" model.

What I noticed. The model clearly has the same source, but the Subverse is slightly modified (the fingers are smoother). The Subverse is slightly stretched too.

As I said before, this is not proof that Subverse stole things from other games, we do not know, for example, what the origin of both hands is and in the current industry it is extremely common for companies to simply acquire assets from third parties.

Even in the case that someone on the Subverse team actually "borrowed" parts of the Honey Select models it probably won't have any negative consequences for them. Everyone knows about the countless games on Patreon that use assets from Honey Select (I make one of them), in addition to the fact that there are games on Steam being sold with assets totally stolen from Illusion for years without being taken down (Waifu School is an example).

Anyway, if I were from Studio FOW, and had commissioned these models from another guy, I would contact him now to ask for detailed explanations. If the guy acted maliciously, I would probably go to court (we are talking about a 2 million project here). And I would also make a patch with new models for the hands to avoid problems. But this is ONLY in the case that there are no alternative and legitimate explanations for the fact that the models have the same origin.

What the chances that it actually a two different hands that looks very similar?
And also, why you even done that, compare two seemingly unrelated models?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

i wish they go back to movie making
i dunno if they ever gonna

 

[mohsenbahadorixz]

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yes yes yes yes...... thank you
their movies was so good
my favorites were kunoichi 3 and code valentine

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Those 2 patchs were only bugfixes.

We should not be too optimistc, it will take time to bring more content.

True, but the fact that they've responded so quickly in fixing what's there (I can think of so many developers that would've left this alone for weeks if not months before a patch), I think its still noteworthy.

 

[TK8000]

What the chances that it actually a two different hands that looks very similar?
And also, why you even done that, compare two seemingly unrelated models?

They can be similar if it was the case that another user commented, the guys may have used the Honey Select hand as a base and modeled another hand on top of it, this would explain why the fingers are a little smoother on the Subverse model, but at the same time, there are things that are completely identical, like the thumb, the armature, etc.

Regarding the comparison, the images comparing the 3D models appeared right at the launch of the game, so people quickly realized the similarity. I just made sure that these comparisons were real, and not just internet trolls trying to smudge Studio FOW's image.

 

[Fanguy69]

If they just added camera controls to the sex scenes, that would be a massive improvement

Not possible. They only had a budget of 2 million when they started. It was either mediocre tactical gameplay or interactive sex scenes. Seems they choose the former and instead gave us a high quality flash game.

Personally I would have taken interactive sex scenes over the subpar tactical gameplay.

 

[disnehater]

after downloading all parts and extracting part 1, do i copy/paste parts 2-4 (z01, z02, z03) into the subverse folder?

 

[Joshua Tree]

Not possible. They only had a budget of 2 million when they started. It was either mediocre tactical gameplay or interactive sex scenes. Seems they choose the former and instead gave us a high quality flash game.

Personally I would have taken interactive sex scenes over the subpar tactical gameplay.

No, they made the game they wanted to make as Kristoff talked about in the interview I linked earlier.
The pretence of what they made is wrong, because it's not the game you wanted it to be, is just fucked up.

 

[Fanguy69]

No, they made the game they wanted to make as Kristoff talked about in the interview I linked earlier.
The pretence of what they made is wrong, because it's not the game you wanted it to be, is just fucked up.

You are right they did make the game they wanted and I said personally I would rather have had something else.
I am allowed to personally wish for something else even if what is given is not what I would have wanted.

 

[Joshua Tree]

You are right they did make the game they wanted and I said personally I would rather have had something else.
I am allowed to personally wish for something else even if what is given is not what I would have wanted.

Of course, everyone is allowed to wish for what they desire and want. Just rarely that happen. It was more of a general thing and not really directly aimed at you. Been so many posts about they made the game all wrong etc. Everyone seems to have their own ideas about how the game should have been, but end of the day its the devs creation.

 

[Razrback16]

You are right they did make the game they wanted and I said personally I would rather have had something else

Absolutely, I agree. You both are right, here. SFOW has the right to make the game they want, and for those of us who consider some aspects of the game to be 'deal breakers' we can simply choose not to buy the game.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Absolutely, I agree. You both are right, here. SFOW has the right to make the game they want, and for those of us who consider some aspects of the game to be 'deal breakers' we can simply choose not to buy the game.

I don't think they loose any sleep over that in any regard. Doubt they expect to earn much at all from pirates to start with.