Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Kernist]

Take three latest games i have played for example - EraTohoTW, Degrees of Lewdity and Asylum. EraTohoTW is pretty much design your own scenes but even at current build game allows you turn on/off pregnancy and events of getting raped. Degrees of Lewdity allows you to change bestiality into monster girls/beastmen, turning off worms, adjusting gender of npcs... everything. Asylum, a bit different approach, it warns you before triggering a scene that it's urination/scat and asks if you want to view it. No? Event doesn't trigger, it never happens and is never mentioned. Simple solutions. And here we have Pandora.

 

[NBV]

And that's why literally nobody is happy with the game. People who followed Studio FOW for years are pissed because their niche tastes are watered down because Subverse tries to please vanilla players. Vanilla players are pissed because as much as Studio FOW promises you have full control of which scenes happen and which not it's not true even by examples you provided. And people who never cared and are ok with both vanilla and futa/mantics are pissed because while trying to please the other two groups FOW made the sex scenes completely separated from the game itself.

Oh, we're in complete agreement on these things. I'm just pointing out that these things aren't new suggestions. It was pretty much the universally agreed upon one people on all their feedback platforms (Steam forums, Discord channel, Reddit) kept saying in common. It simply doesn't look like they want to change things that way... yet. I personally don't have my hopes up that the Pandora changes in the upcoming patch will be what we're hoping for, but I'll still... somewhat... remain open to seeing what they'll do with it. I think next patch will make or break it for a lot of well, well, those still adamant about the game.

I think originally the plan was for the adult stuff to only happen in Pandora so people could pretend shit they didn't like never even happened.

But with the way the main story is written, that's impossible.

I also agree that Pandora as is, isn't serving its purpose. I'm just saying that a lot of people are already very critical of the game on an adult content level so seeing these same people ask for direct sexual content integration doesn't make sense to me.

What makes the way the game is currently written impossible for them to do this? I can see plenty of ways they could input these things into the game's current layout. Plus, didn't they practically advertise that the game would have random porn scene encounters while roaming the ship during the initial advertisement phase of the game?

The reality of the matter is that Studio FOW has already invested themselves in the current Pandora system and simply don't want to change it too much from what they want it to be. It could be from laziness, bad budget management, just their own personal wants, or because of that big moderation problem I mentioned a hundred pages ago about feedback being deleted and misrepresented.

 

[Razrback16]

I personally don't have my hopes up that the Pandora changes in the upcoming patch will be what we're hoping for, but I'll still... somewhat... remain open to seeing what they'll do with it.

Couldn't agree more with this statement. I figure they don't owe me anything, but if they could fix some of the key items that have been common complaints for so many, I'm always happy to reward companies with money.

 

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Couldn't agree more with this statement. I figure they don't owe me anything, but if they could fix some of the key items that have been common complaints for so many, I'm always happy to reward companies with money.

I think the main issue the next update needs to address above even the whole mantic sex and Pandora being isolated problem are the scenes being 30 second loops. If those tons of new scenes they mentioned being added are still glorified webms, then they haven't learned a thing, and they're just trying to push quantity over quality as a band-aid fix.

 

[Razrback16]

I think the main issue the next update needs to address above even the whole mantic sex and Pandora being isolated problem are the scenes being 30 second loops. If those tons of new scenes they mentioned being added are still glorified webm's, then they haven't learned a think, and they're just trying to push quantity over quality as a band-aid fix.

Yep, this is also a huge issue, I agree. I actually mentioned some of the items people have talked about in this thread over on the Subverse subreddit recently. I have low hopes of any of it actually being implemented, but it would upgrade the quality of things significantly if the 'scenes' actually felt like scenes and not just brief clips strung together in a haphazard and poorly flowing manner.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Pandora as you mentioned above, is impossible when it comes to Lily's character.

Why are you so obsessed with Lily XD.
It's a thing for all the girls. Demi'll suck anyone's dick. Elsa or whatever is literally a porn star.

Asylum, a bit different approach, it warns you before triggering a scene that it's urination/scat and asks if you want to view it. No? Event doesn't trigger, it never happens and is never mentioned. Simple solutions. And here we have Pandora.

I've only played Asylum, but there even if you skip the scene it still happened.
Even if you skip her scat cene she still gains 1 passion.
If you could skip her using the vibrator she'd still gain vaginal experience.

Isn't that what Pandora was trying to solve? You can make a head-canon of what actually happens and doesn't. Though I think it doesn't do that.

Oh, we're in complete agreement on these things. I'm just pointing out that these things aren't new suggestions. It was pretty much the universally agreed upon one people on all their feedback platforms (Steam forums, Discord channel, Reddit) kept saying in common. It simply doesn't look like they want to change things that way... yet. I personally don't have my hopes up that the Pandora changes in the upcoming patch will be what we're hoping for, but I'll still... somewhat... remain open to seeing what they'll do with it. I think next patch will make or break it for a lot of well, well, those still adamant about the game.



What makes the way the game is currently written impossible for them to do this? I can see plenty of ways they could input these things into the game's current layout. Plus, didn't they practically advertise that the game would have random porn scene encounters while roaming the ship during the initial advertisement phase of the game?

The reality of the matter is that Studio FOW has already invested themselves in the current Pandora system and simply don't want to change it too much from what they want it to be. It could be from laziness, bad budget management, just their own personal wants, or because of that big moderation problem I mentioned a hundred pages ago about feedback being deleted and misrepresented.

I'm in agreement with a lot of what people feel, but I don't think they know the full ramifications of what they're asking for and think the game might surprise them in a negative way of they get what they want.

Again, I was surprised at the consistency from TwistedMagoo earlier. If most people feel that way which I doubt from how negatively the reaction they have from Lily passively mentioning her sexlife then direct erotic integration would require some core design changes. In that case Pandora is actually what these users want, if it did what it said it would do.

 

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I'm in agreement with a lot of what people feel, but I don't think they know the full ramifications of what they're asking for and think the game might surprise them in a negative way of they get what they want.

Wait, what? What would be the ramifications of having a setting that allows players to turn on or off these avoidable mantic sex scenes?

 

[Razrback16]

Why are you so obsessed with Lily XD.
It's a thing for all the girls. Demi'll suck anyone's dick. Elsa or whatever is literally a porn star.

My issue is mainly with the forced narrative xeno content with Lily - she is the only one it seems to be shoe-horned into the story with. I don't expect all of the girls to be saints, but I do think the mantic stuff should have been optional. And allow me to clarify as well - I'm perfectly fine with mantic stuff being in the game as I don't expect everyone to want what I want, but I do think the more fringe content should have been optional.

 

[NBV]

On another note, the dev diary somewhat emphasizing them hiring young management is kind of weird. Given that they already have a track record of immature moderation, staff, and managers from back when they only did SFM animations, that still carries over to their community management today, is it really wise only focus on them being "young" new blood? I hope I'm just reading too into it and they're not actually focusing on getting specifically younger people in as managers.

EDIT: It really just comes off as super weird that they push everything on the fact that their dev team and managers are on the older side as where the problems lie.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Isn't that what Pandora was trying to solve? You can make a head-canon of what actually happens and doesn't. Though I think it doesn't do that.

I'll go a step farther, and say that this isn't even possible. Even in a choose your own adventure book, the pages you didn't read still exist. People can attempt to have a head canon different from the narrative, but in the end, it's going to be doomed to failure by the context provided in the rest of the story.

For me, and I stress for ME, I know not for everybody, but I think for some others as well...the scenes in Pandora were so poor, so disjointed and out of context from the narrative, that they barely qualify as erotica at all.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

On another note, the dev diary somewhat emphasizing them hiring young management is kind of weird. Given that they already have a track record of immature moderation, staff, and managers from back when they only did SFM animations, that still carries over to their community management today, is it really wise only focus on them being "young" new blood? I hope I'm just reading too into it and they're not actually focusing on getting specifically younger people in as managers.

EDIT: It really just comes off as super weird that they push everything on the fact that their dev team and managers are on the older side as where the problems lie.

I kind of read that as sarcasm tbh

 

[Razrback16]

On another note, the dev diary somewhat emphasizing them hiring young management is kind of weird. Given that they already have a track record of immature moderation, staff, and managers from back when they only did SFM animations, that still carries over to their community management today, is it really wise only focus on them being "young" new blood? I hope I'm just reading too into it and they're not actually focusing on getting specifically younger people in as managers.

EDIT: It really just comes off as super weird that they push everything on the fact that their dev team and managers are on the older side as where the problems lie.

I agree - I thought that was a strange thing to mention regarding the age of the newhires, I just don't see the relevance. Middle aged people can do fine at managing projects and so can older folks. Just hire the best person for the job.

 

[NBV]

I kind of read that as sarcasm tbh

I hope that's what it is. Still, it'd be pretty off-putting that a good portion of the Dev Diary is dedicated to a sarcastic joke, when so many players have serious problems with the management as it stands. That's bad PR at its core. Why would you joke about hiring the wrong way?

 

[TheUnsaid]

Wait, what? What would be the ramifications of having a setting that allows players to turn on or off these avoidable mantic sex scenes?

That's not even what people are complaining about. You can already avoid those scenes. The complaints are about them being mentioned in the main story.

And the negative ramifications I'm talking about is how canon scenes will feel even if skippable if there's direct erotic integration.

 

[NBV]

I think you misunderstood what I was talking about. I'm making no arguments for the head canon argument.

 

[Gwedelino]

My 2 cents about how sex content should be reworked In-game.

1) Longer animations, even if it means fewer scenes added.

2) Integrate the sex scenes into the story. It works well with Kily's recruitment scene

3) Add some talking to the action during sex scenes

4) Add a preference button to allow people to skip content they dislike, but still show the content anyway to create maximum rage and drama

 

[NBV]

Best suggestion ever. I want to see all these nitpicking wankers lose their shit completely.

I mean, the game's far from perfect but the shit happening in this thread is so cringeworthy I just want to see how far it can go.

What's cringe worthy is someone jumping into a thread without any argument and labeling everyone as "nitpicking wankers". At least point to a single person's suggestions first and tell us why they're just nitpicking in your eyes.

 

[kasata]

People complaining about things that they've said will get fixed with the update, like ??? and the Pandora system will never get removed cause it's quite clearly tied to quite a few of the game's mechanics.

A change that i'd like, is to still be able to unlock the scene in Pandora but get a very short quest/story where it's introduced to you and seeing how most of them are either related to the MC or the mantics, they wouldn't have to go out of their way to make that change.

 

[TheAncient0ne]

What's cringe worthy is someone jumping into a thread without any argument and labeling everyone as "nitpicking wankers". At least point to a single person's suggestions first and tell us why they're just nitpicking in your eyes.

Not enough fingers to do so, mate.

It's not about suggestions, it's about weird kinks complaining how the game wasn't tailored exactly to their taste or how it's completely ruined if there's even one thing they don't like. It's about the self-entitled twats who think that their opinion exactly is the one the DEVs should listen. It's about the people who seemingly think that the users on this forum are FOWs main customer base. It's also about the fanboys who are completely blind to any flaws in the game. It's about the people who should be beaten down back to reality.

If the shoe fits, wear it with pride, I suppose.

 

[NBV]

Not enough fingers to do so, mate.

It's not about suggestions, it's about weird kinks complaining how the game wasn't tailored exactly to their taste or how it's completely ruined if there's even one thing they don't like.

I'm gonna stop reading here, since you've missed that nobody has been doing this for the past 5-10 pages. Check the past two pages and you'll see that nobody is arguing for that right now. You jumped into the thread to bitch about the people who have already left these threads pages ago. Right now, people are talking about solutions to help do what StudioFow was trying to do, but better. FOW wants to appeal to EVERYONE, but the way they're implementing the features to make this work comes across as lazy and just badly designed. That is what the current convo is about.

I agree, the people whining "NOOO NTR!!!!" and only that are a problem and their being selfish, but there's nobody currently active in this thread doing that. The same goes for their reddit page, though I haven't checked the Steam forums as of late to know. What I have seen in all their suggestion platforms is people on both sides of the isles, Monster/Rape/NTR fans and Vanilla fans universally agreeing and suggestion the same singular solution; just implement a damn setting to turn on or off that content. This makes it so both the Vanilla and Non-Vanilla content can finally move away from being forced into disjointed and lackluster Pandora scenes. The only people who seem to be against this universally agreed upon solution are the actual fanboys that keep making it seem like the majority of people who haven't forgotten about the game are being entitled brats. Most of the people who come into this thread or even the other websites to whine about any form of NTR usually leave after 2 days and completely forget about the game, never to be seen making more comments on the subject again. They're literally normies that are so alien to these fetishes that they can't help but cry over it. I'm a monster/rape/NTR fan and I haven't asked for the game to be tailored to me. I've also seen plenty of vanilla only fans who have been reasonable with their suggestions to appeal to both parties as well. You guys need to stop having tunnel vision on the minority of "fans" who act unreasonable. That kind of tunnel vision is what led Studio FOW to misread their player base and started changing the Pandora system to what we got now. Now they have to constantly push through endless threads suggesting the same solution by the non-normy fans who actually stayed and didn't forget the games, or the fanboys who will defend any form of critic to their dying breath.