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Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

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Nerro said:
Fist of all, StudioFOW was already a somewhat established company with many recurring supporters on patreon, I don't have the exact numbers but I know they easily made 5 figures every month from donations alone, so what do they need 2 million dollars for exactly?

Second of all, the game was in development for at least 2 years before they released it and we got barely an hour worth of content on the first release. With 2 millions dollars and 2 years, they can only yield 1 hour of content? That was the first red flag.

As you would think, every release since then has been quite disappointing and lackluster. Looking at the review ratio as of late should tell you as much View attachment 1816810


The reason is simple, they already sold the game. They already got most of the profit they would ever get for this. So where is the motivation? Where is the willingness to be creative and shoot out lots of quality content as promised? Why would they break their backs and make 30 hours of high quality content when they already sold out?

That will pan out in one of two different ways:

Either they release worse quality content over a shorter period of time in order to get it over with in a timely manner and they don't give shit how that makes them look cause they already got paid.

Or they will prolong the development for so long, it will be easier for them to work and give high quality content but we can look forward to 10 years of EA because of lazy devs who are only willing to work maybe a couple of hours a week.


I sincerely hope this will prove why crowdfunding and early access is generally a bad idea, the same reason why pre-ordering an AAA game is frowned upon these days. You don't sell the pelt before the bear has been shot.
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Who did they sell out to exactly? The people buying the game? It's not like they got bought up by a publisher or something. Also they have to deliver on a finished product, else I'm pretty sure they can get in legal trouble for not living up to their overall backing goal. The ratio's been skewed ever since the Chinese bombing that occurred over the translation. Also nice how you cropped out the numbers, cuz 274 recents to 9,783 overall doesn't really work for your argument.

Considering they want to make movies again in the future (Part of developing Subverse is them learning the engine they'll be making future films in) why would they want to drag this out? They can't coast on a single game forever, they want to get back to having a supporter base again.

The quality is subjective and subject to change, as is the nature of early access. They've taken in plenty of feedback of what players did and didn't like and are adjusting, which is the point of EA. They regularly keep us updated with monthly entries, so what shadow game are they playing in your mind?
 
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Who did they sell out to exactly? The people buying the game? It's not like they got bought up by a publisher or something. Also they have to deliver on a finished product, else I'm pretty sure they can get in legal trouble for not living up to their overall backing goal. The ratio's been skewed ever since the Chinese bombing that occurred over the translation. Also nice how you cropped out the numbers, cuz 274 recents to 9,783 overall doesn't really work for your argument.

Considering they want to make movies again in the future (Part of developing Subverse is them learning the engine they'll be making future films in) why would they want to drag this out? They can't coast on a single game forever, they want to get back to having a supporter base again.

The quality is subjective and subject to change, as is the nature of early access. They've taken in plenty of feedback of what players did and didn't like and are adjusting, which is the point of EA. They regularly keep us updated with monthly entries, so what shadow game are they playing in your mind?
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274 recently just means nobody is buying this crap anymore, which furthermore proves that they have already earned most of the money from this already. Yes, they might have to finish the game but they don't have to make it good or anything like they said it would be or what the fans want, cause guess what, they already got paid. Even if the game turns out to be shit when its finished and got nothing of what they initially promised, they can always say:
"Well, we're bad at making games, so we're just gonna go back to making movies" *stuffs 2 mil in backpocket*

And people are still gonna support them in making movies cause they haven't fucked that up (yet)

Idk why you're putting so much blind faith into them but the buyers are starting to turn against them. I'd not be surprised if we see their reviews get ratioed by the time we see the full release unless they start taking it more seriously.
 
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Nerro said:
274 recently just means nobody is buying this crap anymore, which furthermore proves that they have already earned most of the money from this already. Yes, they might have to finish the game but they don't have to make it good or anything like they said it would be or what the fans want, cause guess what, they already got paid. Even if the game turns out to be shit when its finished and got nothing of what they initially promised, they can always say:
"Well, we're bad at making games, so we're just gonna go back to making movies" *stuffs 2 mil in backpocket*

And people are still gonna support them in making movies cause they haven't fucked that up (yet)

Idk why you're putting so much blind faith into them but the buyers are starting to turn against them. I'd not be surprised if we see their reviews get ratioed by the time we see the full release unless they start taking it more seriously.
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Do...you think they've been hanging onto that money for 3 years now? Cuz I would think it goes into...paying their dev team. Which unless you're assuming minimum (which good game devs wouldn't work for), that 2 mil is looooong spent by now.

And its pretty easy to have to faith in them, considering they never canceled something they announced. Even when Blizzard sued them over the Yrel film.

Also the future plan is films and games, with them having separate funding, so folks can pick what they want to support specifically.
 
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VValen said:
Do...you think they've been hanging onto that money for 3 years now? Cuz I would think it goes into...paying their dev team. Which unless you're assuming minimum (which good game devs wouldn't work for), that 2 mil is looooong spent by now.
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Are you serious? How many people do you honestly think works there?
2 million dollars is a huge amount of money for an indie game like this and you’re not even taking into account how the studio was pretty well off and did high quality animation even before the crowdfunding.
 
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Nerro said:
Are you serious? How many people do you honestly think works there?
2 million dollars is a huge amount of money for an indie game like this and you’re not even taking into account how the studio was pretty well off and did high quality animation even before the crowdfunding.
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Yes, and many of those people aren’t with them anymore. Just read any of the dev blogs and you’ll see a bunch of names talking about what they’re all doing. This isn’t just two dudes in a basement doing Lara in Trouble again.

Also just animating and game development are two different things, that’s why they hired people that’ve actually made games before. That ain’t cheap either.
 
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Darth Vengeant said:
I want to know if there is a mod to unlock everything or be able to skip the space combat.
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I don't think there's a mod to skip space combat. Even if you want to skip it, VValen already said that you need to fail three times to skip the whole damn thing at the cost of getting the lowest possible rating if you're okay with that.

Also, if you want to unlock everything just use any of the saves people share.

I hope these are the answers you're looking for.
 
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Reiga711 said:
Anyone know when squid loli is coming? I know the next one is the dwarf
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We dunno for sure, Sova is next in line, so it leaves Fortune, Huntress, Blythe, and Fowchan (likely last as she's described as an endgame recruit).

I think its likely gonna be in that order. Also pretty sure she ain't a loli, just flat chested compared to the other gals.
 
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