Yo what? How can anybody complain if this is the quality of the new art? Looking forward to the next update even more now
To start with I have been playing and mostly following topics on SC since the beginning of the project. I kept watching from the shadows and I stood silent. I played lots, probably in the hundreds, of Succubus related games, because I have a very niche amount of tags I choose from I very rarely find something to fit them all. To give you some: succubus, expansion, age progression, femdom.
When I found about this game I was so excited to have found a hidden gem amoung coals. The art was astonishing, one of the best I found. Kainkout was rising up through the ranks amoung individuals like:
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However, due to the injury of Kainkout and its stressful schedule I understand that a change was indeed required between partners. I am glad that they are still with us on a smaller project as you have mentioned. So I hope that, in the future, you might take in consideration having Kainkout lead the series. Now, as things are placed on the table, with the new leading artist of SC being Devil-V, seeing the art they produced saddened me, because the game is one of the few, if not the only which satisfies my niche genre. So much that it made me come out and write my first forum post.
In order to start criticizing I have to give you a bit of background to better understand my standpoint. I am a programmer by profession and I am still studying in this area. I am not an artist, however due to pandemic circumstances I bought several devices which might enable me to take a step in that area if the time shall allow it. At the moment, I only understand that it is a tough path, requiring you to put thousands of hours in practice in order to get at least to a novice level unless you have talent, which might give you a small shortcut, but effort is still required. Considering this, my opinion comes from an unexperienced/non-artist and is based mostly on content that I have consumed up to this point.
The following opinion is highly subjective and I am going to express differences as I see them between Kainkout and Devil-V.
My first point is about the art styles of both artists, which is quite unique, and because of that they differ quite much.
I put two images side by side to illustrate this and some arrows to point out differences.
To conclude with my opinion, at least in my eyes I can predict the transition will be tough to accept by many consumers. It's almost a dealbreaker for me, except for the tags mentioned above which will keep me in the loop, but I won't be as excited sadly...
I understand that it's your favorite artist but they pale in comparison to Kainkout. While I didn't take StormFeder in discussion I think he might be a better alternative to Devil-V as the leading artist of the main series. I will miss Kainkout deeply from my heart on SC. Thank you for all the effort Zion, I am grateful to you for bringing us a piece of art. I will still follow SC as I am interested by it.
When I found about this game I was so excited to have found a hidden gem amoung coals. The art was astonishing, one of the best I found. Kainkout was rising up through the ranks amoung individuals like:
- Shiki (Psychedelic G2)
- Doskoinpo
- c.rs nest
.However, due to the injury of Kainkout and its stressful schedule I understand that a change was indeed required between partners. I am glad that they are still with us on a smaller project as you have mentioned. So I hope that, in the future, you might take in consideration having Kainkout lead the series. Now, as things are placed on the table, with the new leading artist of SC being Devil-V, seeing the art they produced saddened me, because the game is one of the few, if not the only which satisfies my niche genre. So much that it made me come out and write my first forum post.
In order to start criticizing I have to give you a bit of background to better understand my standpoint. I am a programmer by profession and I am still studying in this area. I am not an artist, however due to pandemic circumstances I bought several devices which might enable me to take a step in that area if the time shall allow it. At the moment, I only understand that it is a tough path, requiring you to put thousands of hours in practice in order to get at least to a novice level unless you have talent, which might give you a small shortcut, but effort is still required. Considering this, my opinion comes from an unexperienced/non-artist and is based mostly on content that I have consumed up to this point.
The following opinion is highly subjective and I am going to express differences as I see them between Kainkout and Devil-V.
My first point is about the art styles of both artists, which is quite unique, and because of that they differ quite much.
Kainkout has a more "manga" / "anime" style.
- The lines used in their drawings are thinner.
- The detail / emphasis placed on the hair is richer than Devil-V.
- While the face expressions are, as you say Zion, more evil compared to Kainkout's innocent ones, the faces drawn by Kainkout are much better detailed.
- Softer eyebrows
- Eye Shadow
- Better Blush (drawn subtle yet still being quite noticed). This really plants a "seed" in the consumer, to make them hunger for a scene.
- Even though the faces they might be more "evil" in your eyes Zion, I would say that Kainkout's are a lot more enticing .
- Overall shapes drawn by Kainkout are bigger, their scale is larger. For example, hands have much more visibility.
- On a more ecchi note. Curves drawn by Kainkout are bigger, presented a lot better to the consumer. To put more ephasis on this point, from Kainkout's art you can see the curves just by looking at them, meanwhile Devil-V draws explicit lines to point them out.
- Big breasts seem a lot more narutally drawn in Kainkout's art. Devil-V's just seem attached to the body, and highlighted using thick black lines.
- The clothing of the succubi has a much more visible effect caused by their curves. Especially the breasts.
Devil-V has a "cartoony" style.
- Consider all the downsides mentioned above.
- There is a bit more detail on the clothing. The succubi have some accesories which have a kind of texture. Kainkout usually just left a plain color which was kind of bad. Take the queen for example, she has such big wings that should encompass the MC and intimidate him, however they just have a kind of gray color with a bit of shading no texture. I really hope Devil-V will improve of this. As I saw shininess, texture and details added to their tails.
- More aggressive faces, or combat like styled, at least from the two images on this thread. Considering other images on their deviant profile, there is a wider array of expression than Kainkout's. But as mentioned, the details on the faces or the way they are presented is unpleasant. The faces/heads are maybe smaller than expected.
- More proeminent lines on abs / armpits / necks. Give a better structure, but they are overused everywhere. Hands / Arms seem to be drawn with sharp lines while Kainkout has a softer way of doing it.
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To conclude with my opinion, at least in my eyes I can predict the transition will be tough to accept by many consumers. It's almost a dealbreaker for me, except for the tags mentioned above which will keep me in the loop, but I won't be as excited sadly...
I understand that it's your favorite artist but they pale in comparison to Kainkout
. While I didn't take StormFeder in discussion I think he might be a better alternative to Devil-V as the leading artist of the main series. I will miss Kainkout deeply from my heart on SC. Thank you for all the effort Zion, I am grateful to you for bringing us a piece of art. I will still follow SC as I am interested by it.
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I think Zion should stay away from f95 and stick to his Patreons like some other devs. Cause people are extemely unreasonable, annoying and demanding...
Just stop coming back here and giving these people previews for free you have more than enough patreons to give a shit. If they want a different artist since Kain is injured and its out of your hands, maybe they can negotiate someone else for you and pay for them themselves.
Freaking whining... Zion didnt fire Kain or something liie that, if you dont like the new artist unfortunately that is not something that will change so either give him a chance since he hasnt even released 1 chapter yet or just move on. I will remind people that the vampire succubi Kain did is a lot better than the first succubi he released in this game. Go compare her to Leafhair or someone like that. So lets see how well Devil V succubi compare after he has been doing them for a year as well. I will say that the ones he started alreasy look better than the ones Kain started with.
Just stop coming back here and giving these people previews for free you have more than enough patreons to give a shit. If they want a different artist since Kain is injured and its out of your hands, maybe they can negotiate someone else for you and pay for them themselves.
Freaking whining... Zion didnt fire Kain or something liie that, if you dont like the new artist unfortunately that is not something that will change so either give him a chance since he hasnt even released 1 chapter yet or just move on. I will remind people that the vampire succubi Kain did is a lot better than the first succubi he released in this game. Go compare her to Leafhair or someone like that. So lets see how well Devil V succubi compare after he has been doing them for a year as well. I will say that the ones he started alreasy look better than the ones Kain started with.
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I don't get what the fuss is about, both artists are good. and don't judge before you see his art in action in the game itself. Zion already mentioned that the artist is trying his best to suit the style of the previous artist.
I too was a little bit dissappointed since the previous artist left, but I don't judge the new artist before I play the game.
I also looked at his portfolio and I think a lot of the critics here are going to bite their tounges when the new episode comes out.
I too was a little bit dissappointed since the previous artist left, but I don't judge the new artist before I play the game.
I also looked at his portfolio and I think a lot of the critics here are going to bite their tounges when the new episode comes out.
Exactly.
From what I've seen the new artist's drawings look great. Lady Black Horn! As long as there are big tiddy succubi waiting to seduce us in chapter 4, I'll be happy. Hopefully, we'll see some more of Drita and Argeia. Both are super hot.
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Yeah me too but at this point i think we are most likely getting a "reworked" version of Drita and Argeia from Devil V
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A mix. I'll use old art, but the scenes will be made by him from now on.
Ofc, some characters will change appearance/clothes as the story progresses, like the love interests.
So the new version will be done by V
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He is a good choise, in some aspect his drawing look better then the OG artist.A mix. I'll use old art, but the scenes will be made by him from now on.
Ofc, some characters will change appearance/clothes as the story progresses, like the love interests.
So the new version will be done by V
I'm actually very positive, but I would also like to see how he draws man. Characters like the Incubi and The Embodiet sun need to look very masculine.
About the new art, I don't think that people would be complaining as much if Kain's injury happened after he got done with Generation One; because that could be written off as the Succubi "evolving" from gorging on men as the years go by. But with the way things are, you could say that each clan has their own physical traits: Like how the Leaf Clan are innocent in the sense how certain flowers symbolises one's virginity and take immense pride in their breast expansion. Or how the Hellish clan usually have some abs on them. Could give a new clan (that the Elemental Clan will eventually create) the power of ass expansion because they're into anal execution out of a superiority complex.
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- Jun 24, 2018
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Yeah, but three chapters' worth of content and a replacement artist is still better than no updates, at all.
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While I agree that some people go overboard with their opinion how the game will die now or that they are not satisfied with the new art style... it would not be that efficient to leave F95.
It's free advertising, the stealing happens all over the internet and it won't stop here if Zion stays away from this pirate website. How did I discovered the games I have listed in my signature and ask people to support them? F95, it has that sweet wide range.
Zion may have enough patrons for now to somewhat exist from the income but that won't last forever with increasing costs in so many life areas and maybe he will have bigger plans at some point and that requires cash too.
Imo he should read as many comments as possible while having a mental barrier active to not get angry because some people act like arses or only talk bad about the game. They exist, that will never change but there are also good people who give good critique or praise him and the team for their work. Plus some pirates become patrons, worked like a charm for me.~
Sometimes it can be hard to endure, especially if people have no idea what they are talking about and mix that with arrogance, but that's how it is and you can get those people on Discord too. You may be able and willing to ban them at some point but that only ends in more and more people who try to attack you verbally.
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Most of this art will be made by Zafiry. I asked him to focus on the series as a whole for monsters, characters, items, etc.
Meanwhile V is free to focus on the main series and StormFeder is free to focus on Warlock Saga.
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Usually there are six succubus you have to fight. Temptation events and optional stuff is a bonus.
