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Except for Nia, Nadia, Mila and Vic (whom I find very unattractive) I really like your list. And Eva is super underrated. The character model is really hot. I hope she can gain a few pounds and overcome her body image issues eventually.
No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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Most of the new models Ocean did share this trait, which is rather distrubing. Hope Amber remains the same.
 

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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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Even though games give you multiple love interest to choose from there is always a primary girl. I believe cause of the constant work on her character and the fact she is the opposite to him she is being setup to be the primary girl. Sure people can say Bella,Nami or Mila(oh baby). When him and maja talked he said he didn't believe in coincidence and Vic said she wasn't even going that way she basically felt drawn to him. Not in those exact words but you get the jest. Fate basically.
 

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Most of the new models Ocean did share this trait, which is rather distrubing. Hope Amber remains the same.
It's a whole other matter with Victoria though, her nose, lips and boobs look fake as fuck, unlike the other characters. Maybe Mila also has too that kind of plastic solid looking tits with the classic badly done unnatural fake shape, can't remember on top off my head. Even though they're supposed to be natural...
 

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With the way Adriana and Sasha looked at each other when Jenna mentioned William's backshots, we can assume that Adriana is one of the mentioned cousins/sisters of Aya. The eldest, that's why we haven't seen her before in college.
PS: I just now realized that this funny-faced Jenna could theoretically be Aunt Jenny mentioned in Wiab.
Or they're looking at each other because Jenna's being an obnoxious drunk. But there's certainly a possibility of the cousin vibe. It does seem like a family circle. I do like your theory about Jenna, I assume she's on Joe's side or Dylan's side rather than Scarlet and Helen.

Except for Nia, Nadia, Mila and Vic (whom I find very unattractive) I really like your list. And Eva is super underrated. The character model is really hot. I hope she can gain a few pounds and overcome her body image issues eventually.
One wild unsubstantiated theory I have is Eva might be the trans character - when Ocean said they weren't in the game yet, I think that was before Beanpole had appeared in the rework. That's make sense that Eva would be incredibly self conscious of her body. The argument against this is of course Ocean's fanservice to E:D, making it less likely he'd mess with a character he liked.

the thing i want to know the most is ...how many of this ppl are related,bcs we all know of william's escapades,and if wiab is playing like we all want ,i think maybe half of the reprt here is related or even being half brother's and sister's
We literally won't know for a long time, I personally believe Ocean will string the parentage along as much as possible, and just hint at things. One reason is it'll give away too much about WiaB if he confirms too much, and that'll make Wiab predictable. He needs WiaB to feel fresh and exciting with consequences that matter. If we know how it all turns out, he's lost our interest in playing WiaB.

All we know of Willi so far is that Daphne and Miru joke about him being the father of of a friends child, so he has a history of sleeping around, but all that we know confirmed so far is he's creampied Miru and Monica, with Monica being about ten years before WiaB started (so no sprogling, unless there's a reveal later on, but that would be super hard to hide from Mon's friends such as Katie). In SG the only thing we know is Jenna alledging Willi's backshots. No other info that is confirmed that I know of. Most of what we know is the implications of the old WiaB which is no longer canon, now the new version is developed.
 
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Hmmmm looks like reworked Ayua has signature earrings.
Looks like Jill's model from Being A DIK with some edits/morphs, could be wrong but eh. Nothing special.

the more I actually take a look at the various pictures, the more I actually prefer the new model and renders. Looks great!
You mean, you like her earrings.

I've been refreshing SG on Steam every single day for a couple of weeks or so now, leaving its tab there...
Ooof. Seems like some serious addiction. That's like someone waiting outside in the cold for their drug dealer or their next hit. If you're just trying to be funny, why?

The Steam Version is not the exact same as the Patreon Version, that much is clear already... even if Ocean said the changes are nothing major,

Cant believe that you will get it on Steam for 5...

Oh and of course... future updates will not be on steam until the season is complete... yeah iam not waiting for that :D

I hate censored/edited versions of a game, especially on Steam. Keep that shit out. Nothing major? people are restoring the scenes he took out (or because of the edits etc) and song changes lol. I guess that's not major for him (he got money on the brain) but it's major to the games fans.

I won't be surprised if many don't get the Steam version. They'll just get the Patreon version or for free here. Even more so if the game won't even receive updates until a season is fully completed.

Nah, I doubt he will sell this game for $5 on Steam. I bet it'll be $10-$20+ (don't forget the tax, game prices aren't never just a flat straight price) let's also see if he brings some DLC with it, cause you know, AVN Devs love their cash grab DLCS (especially for the idiots/sheep/whales that ask for it)
 

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Me too. Hetrochromia if i remember correctly is hereditary dont quote me on it. So vanessa hmmm, but if katerina is mommy hmmmm so many theories.
Albinism can manifest itself in different ways. This is heterochromia (William, Vanessa), this is white hair and sensitive skin (Sasha), this is severe sensitivity to the sun (Aziz), this is possible for Nami (gray-blue eyes and ..... suddenly those with white hair at birth can still mutate into dark red hair with freckles)
 
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I hate censored/edited versions of a game, especially on Steam. Keep that shit out. Nothing major? people are restoring the scenes he took out (or because of the edits etc) and song changes lol. I guess that's not major for him (he got money on the brain) but it's major to the games fans.

I won't be surprised if many don't get the Steam version. They'll just get the Patreon version or for free here. Even more so if the game won't even receive updates until a season is fully completed.

Nah, I doubt he will sell this game for $5 on Steam. I bet it'll be $10-$20+ (don't forget the tax, game prices aren't never just a flat straight price) let's also see if he brings some DLC with it, cause you know, AVN Devs love their cash grab DLCS (especially for the idiots/sheep/whales that ask for it)
Yeah I think the only people that won't get it on steam or the ones that hate the edits / censorship , they barley or dont use steam so it isn't convenient for them like it is for me. I saw a post saying once saying the price is gonna be $15 and so yeah no $5 game. But I rarely see any AVN's close to $5 on steam unless it's on sale, the standard I see is 10 or 15 , which I think is fair.
 
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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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YES!!! This drives me up a wall! I can't be the only one noticing how she got massive tit implants during her stay at the hospital after the accident. It's like she woke up, learned she couldn't walk and thought:

"Hey since I can no longer walk might as well get some huge knockers now that I don't have to worry about their weight fucking up my spine and shit. I'll be sitting down in a wheelchair anyways."

It's insane. Look at her renders prior to the accident in CH1. Is she walking around with a corset or bandages squeezing her tits? No chance she could hide those awful things. I'm gonna go as far as saying that second render of Vic topless is the worst in the entire game if you exclude all of those from Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
 

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Me too. Hetrochromia if i remember correctly is hereditary dont quote me on it. So vanessa hmmm, but if katerina is mommy hmmmm so many theories.
Well, Helen and Scarlet are sisters, so Kat would share some of the same X chromosomes as Leia.

Looks like Jill's model from Being A DIK with some edits/morphs, could be wrong but eh. Nothing special.



You mean, you like her earrings.



Ooof. Seems like some serious addiction. That's like someone waiting outside in the cold for their drug dealer or their next hit. If you're just trying to be funny, why?




I hate censored/edited versions of a game, especially on Steam. Keep that shit out. Nothing major? people are restoring the scenes he took out (or because of the edits etc) and song changes lol. I guess that's not major for him (he got money on the brain) but it's major to the games fans.

I won't be surprised if many don't get the Steam version. They'll just get the Patreon version or for free here. Even more so if the game won't even receive updates until a season is fully completed.

Nah, I doubt he will sell this game for $5 on Steam. I bet it'll be $10-$20+ (don't forget the tax, game prices aren't never just a flat straight price) let's also see if he brings some DLC with it, cause you know, AVN Devs love their cash grab DLCS (especially for the idiots/sheep/whales that ask for it)
Oh I didn't mean special hand made earrings, just like Leia's earring aren't unique in the DAZ world of AVNs. What I meant is that like Leia had signature style and the earrings becam synonymous with her, maybe Ocean's done the same with Ayua? I couldn't care less about the earring - I'm far more concerned about her steampunk butler look... I didn't think it was that kind of game. Better a look if she played in a western tabletop with Nadia :sneaky:

So few models in DAZ world are unique, it's just how they're used, combined and rendered.

Also, I don't think there's a separate patreon/steam version. It's the same build as far as I know, Ocean's changed those scenes for everyone. And I also saw $15 mentioned via discord I think.
 

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YES!!! This drives me up a wall! I can't be the only one noticing how she got massive tit implants during her stay at the hospital after the accident. It's like she woke up, learned she couldn't walk and thought:

"Hey since I can no longer walk might as well get some huge knockers now that I don't have to worry about their weight fucking up my spine and shit. I'll be sitting down in a wheelchair anyways."

It's insane. Look at her renders prior to the accident in CH1. Is she walking around with a corset or bandages squeezing her tits? No chance she could hide those awful things. I'm gonna go as far as saying that second render of Vic topless is the worst in the entire game if you exclude all of those from Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
haha I would of never noticed if I didn't read this post. I dont pay alot of attention to the characters appearance while I play these games. I'm more focused on the dialogue rather then the render. but yeah those tits don't just look fake but super fake, which explains why I think Mila is more attractive than her lol. I think I played a game where a LI has a bimbo path and gets fake tits and all of that and they look more real / less fake than Victoria's. Good thing appearance doesn't matter to much to me and I like Victoria for her character and how much of a sweetheart she is not my favorite character but still in my top 5 or so for this game.
 

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No she's not the primary girl... Bella is, so much that we can say Ocean has a clear favoritism for her. Not like it's a bad thing, she's a great LI and I like her and Nika's love story a lot, but essentially the game right now is "Nika and Bella".
In fact I believe he made a poor job with Victoria, he wanted a bigger role for her at the start but couldn't deliver. Her story is supposed to be very sad and it is at times, while at other times it seems forced, like he doesn't exactly know where to go with her or how to use her effectively.
Admittedly kinda bias especially when you turn her down for a date a second time and she cries in your arms. Only nami has shown a true emotion for the MC when she cried after MC revealed kissed Bella.
 
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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.

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YES!!! This drives me up a wall! I can't be the only one noticing how she got massive tit implants during her stay at the hospital after the accident. It's like she woke up, learned she couldn't walk and thought:



"Hey since I can no longer walk might as well get some huge knockers now that I don't have to worry about their weight fucking up my spine and shit. I'll be sitting down in a wheelchair anyways."



It's insane. Look at her renders prior to the accident in CH1. Is she walking around with a corset or bandages squeezing her tits? No chance she could hide those awful things. I'm gonna go as far as saying that second render of Vic topless is the worst in the entire game if you exclude all of those from Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
You both can throw tomatoes at me, but I find the current Vic more natural than before.
Though it's only about her face, not her body.
Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
Lol. I really don't like cinematics in this game, except for the first two with Summer and Vic.
Nami's bathroom is the worst because it was cringe.
The second worst is with Vanessa in the bedroom.
She tells him to turn away... disturbing music starts playing... Nika wonders what her intentions are... Very tense moment.
And then this cinematic with very misplaced music kicks in and it breaks the whole mood.
I was like "wtf, why???"
I believe cause of the constant work on her character and the fact she is the opposite to him she is being setup to be the primary girl. Sure people can say Bella,Nami or Mila(oh baby). When him and maja talked he said he didn't believe in coincidence and Vic said she wasn't even going that way she basically felt drawn to him. Not in those exact words but you get the jest. Fate basically.
I found her very special. She's the first LI to appear in the game and the one who triggers the MC to start fixing his life. And I like her path because it's written in such way that gives you freedom for imagination. Does Nika really have romantic feelings for her or he agreed to dating her because of guilt. And if it's the second, maybe it will develop into something real. Very romantic path.

The scene at the physiotherapist is amazing.

My third favorite LI after Vanessa and Zara.
No she's not the primary girl... Bella is, so much that we can say Ocean has a clear favoritism for her. Not like it's a bad thing, she's a great LI and I like her and Nika's love story a lot, but essentially the game right now is "Nika and Bella".

In fact I believe he made a poor job with Victoria, he wanted a bigger role for her at the start but couldn't deliver. Her story is supposed to be very sad and it is at times, while at other times it seems forced, like he doesn't exactly know where to go with her or how to use her effectively.
*sigh* It was only the first season. There are at least 25 more chapters ahead.
Before chapter 4, hardly anyone thought that Zara would have so much screen time and development.
 

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Lol. I really don't like cinematics in this game, except for the first two with Summer and Vic.
Not even the one with Bella ditching the race , sniffing the MC's jacket and crying as she drives to the MC's house. That cinematics spoke to me. Before I liked Bella but wasnt a huge fan of hers other than the dialogue and banter. after seeing that cinematic again when i replayed the game on my personal AVN LI list Bella went from top 25 - 30 or so to being tied for my #1 LI. But maybe I have a bit of a bias but I feel like that cinematic is the best one in the game imo.
 

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You both can throw tomatoes at me, but I find the current Vika more natural than before. Though it's only about her face, not her body.

Lol. I really don't like cinematics in this game, except for the first two with Summer and Vic.
Nami's bathroom is the worst because it was cringe.
The second worst is with Vanessa in the bedroom.
She tells him to turn away... disturbing music starts playing... Nika wonders what her intentions are... Very tense moment.
And then this cinematic with very misplaced music kicks in and it breaks the whole mood.
I was like "wtf, why???"

I found her very special. She's the first LI to appear in the game and the one who triggers the MC to start fixing his life. And I like her path because it's written in such way that gives you freedom for imagination. Does Nika really have romantic feelings for her or he agreed to dating her because of guilt. And if it's the second, maybe it will develop into something real. Very romantic path.

The scene at the physiotherapist is amazing.

My third favorite LI after Vanessa and Zara.
*sigh* It was only the first season. There are at least 25 more chapters ahead.
Before chapter 4, hardly anyone thought that Zara would have so much screen time and development.
While it's true that Vic's incident put Nika on this path, the one who really triggers him to start fixing his life is Nami, as seen after visiting Victoria at the hospital in chapter 1.
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All the other girls matter too in some way later, but it's Nami who prompted him to change.
 

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I did some research to find alternative classification that are closer to what you were talking about. There's the pscyhopathy checklist that is sometimes used in criminal psychiatry. I think it can be reliable.

It ignores sociopathy. Like I said, sociopathy is just a popularized term used in different contexts. Instead, it makes a distinction between a person with antisocial personality disorder and a psychopath. A person with APD has a much higher risk of suicide than a psychopath who essentially should not have feelings of remorse and guilt. Simply put, a person with APD could be Bella and a psychopath is a typical recidivist criminal or a serial killer who also does not suffer from other disorders that can provoke a suicide attempt.

When the final version comes out and I play Bella path, I will check your theory by comparing her to the description of APD in the DSM. Or you can do it, there's not much to read.



As for Vanessa's case. I think we both made the wrong conclusions about her. Yes, she shares some traits that are very relevant in a person with antisocial personality disorder (sociopath/psychopath, whatever). But none of them are her predominant personality trait. Her core is narcissism. So instead of antisocial disorder, she may have narcissistic personality disorder. From what I've read, the problem is that they are on the same spectrum and are so similar that in practice it's sometimes difficult to determine which of these two disorders a person has.

People with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders are tough-minded, exploitative, manipulative, egocentric, and deceptive. Vanessa has all these traits. However, narcissistic personality disorder does not always include impulsivity and aggressive. Vanessa is actually pretty bad at hiding her negative emotions, but she can control herself. When Nika makes verbal attacks towards her, she shows this angry face :mad: and then tries to cover her dissatisfied reaction behind a fake smile. She would be much more hot-tempered if she had APD. She also doesn't have any history of bad behavior in childhood or criminal behavior in adulthood, at least we don't know anything about it. Otherwise her childhood would be more like the one Leia and William had. Vanessa with APD is basically Leia minus her affection for her brother. Finally, people with APD do not crave admiration and envy and do not reflect it on others as passionately as Vanessa does.

She is obsessed with self-praise and self-love to the point where she more-likely sees it as the purpose of her life. It's the difference between being a narcissist and having a narcissistic disorder. We all know she's a narcissist, but it's one thing to have a tendency toward it, and another to have it as a major trait that interferes your daily life.

From DSM
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Now her behavior becomes clearer and more consistent. "That dumbo can't talk about anything but fashion and how she used to buy this and that-" said Bella after meeting her. I thought she suspected Bella and outplayed her, but maybe she didn't, she was true self the whole time. But that doesn't mean she's less intelligent and manipulative she seemed to be before. It's just that her abilities are actually limited by her disorder.

She's probably not too emotional, as people with NPD are described here. But everyone is different, even those who have common mental illnesses, they can still be predisposed to one or another behavior. Besides, we haven't seen her under real pressure. If Nika starts acting too aggressively towards her or ignoring her new attempts to get his attention, she may experience an emotional breakdown. And if that happens, then she will take off her fake mask of coldness, and we can definitely say that she indeed suffers from NPD.

My only problem with her having NPD was that she also praises the looks of people around her. I thought it contradicted narcissistic disorder. But I was wrong and they actually do it: "They may feel that they can only be understood by, and should only associate with, other people who are special or of high status and may attribute “unique,” “perfect,” or “gifted” qualities to those with whom they associate. Their own self-esteem is enhanced (i.e., “mirrored”) by the idealized value that they assign to those with whom they associate."

Damn. I may be reading too much into it as usual, but I think what we have under the spoiler is the most accurate and detailed description of Vanessa possible. I didn't compare her to the description of antisocial personality disorder though. Think I'll do it later. But I'm almost certainly sure that she indeed has one of those two personality disorders. Most likely narcissistic. Her behavior is too odd, but consistent, and falls perfectly under each point of the description above.
Great post.

From those 9 points that define the Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I see all of them but the 6 and 7 in Vanessa. She still could have the 6 too, but I'd need to see more scenes of her to define her behaviour as exploitative in the way that is described there... not for now.

You mentioned Leia. In Leia I see the traits of 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 9... I had doubts with the 8 but she has it too. Almost the 7, but her relationship with William shows otherwise.
 

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Not even the one with Bella ditching the race , sniffing the MC's jacket and crying as she drives to the MC's house. That cinematics spoke to me. Before I liked Bella but wasnt a huge fan of hers other than the dialogue and banter. after seeing that cinematic again when i replayed the game on my personal AVN LI list Bella went from top 25 - 30 or so to being tied for my #1 LI. But maybe I have a bit of a bias but I feel like that cinematic is the best one in the game imo.
I didn't play her path, so I didn't see this cinematic.

I don't see her as a possible love interest for my Nika, though I'd like to see her try to change that for the sake of a more interesting and tense relationship dynamic between them. But primarily I like her as a girl buddy that Nika gets into trouble with. So I don't mind her having more screen time than the other girls at all. Because she's still the third main character next to Nika and Nami.
While it's true that Vic's incident put Nika on this path, the one who really triggers him to start fixing his life is Nami, as seen after visiting Victoria at the hospital in chapter 1.
All the other girls matter too in some way later, but it's Nami who prompted him to change.
Nah. I see the car accident and the scene at the the physiotherapist as significantly more impactful to the story and the character.
Great post.

From those 9 points that define the Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I see all of them but the 6 and 7 in Vanessa. She still could have the 6 too, but I'd need to see more scenes of her to define her behaviour as exploitative in the way that is described there... not for now.

You mentioned Leia. In Leia I see the traits of 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 9... I had doubts with the 8 but she has it too. Almost the 7, but her relationship with William shows otherwise.
Thanks. :) But these traits is for narcissistic personality disorder not antisocial and Leia definitely doesn't have NPD.
I don't see Leia having APD either. Despite her acts of aggression, she shows too strong and long-lasting attachment to William.

As for Vanessa, I think she's already shown a lack of empathy, if it's not about praising the looks of others.
 

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I didn't play her path, so I didn't see this cinematic.

I don't see her as a possible love interest for my Nika, though I'd like to see her try to change that for the sake of a more interesting and tense relationship dynamic between them. But primarily I like her as a girl buddy that Nika gets into trouble with. So I don't mind her having more screen time than the other girls at all. Because she's still the third main character next to Nika and Nami.
Fair enough I thought the same until somewhere along the way I changed my mind on my first playthrough haha not sure what changed my mind anymore. Probably was something simple like I loved her banter and dynamic with the MC not sure . I was only interested in Victoria initially.
 

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*sigh* It was only the first season. There are at least 25 more chapters ahead.
Before chapter 4, hardly anyone thought that Zara would have so much screen time and development.
I read this later... We still have 25 chapters, so what? We can judge what we have now. My point stands, Victoria is still somewhat badly executed compared with Mila, whose arch is much more cohesive. Or even worst Sasha, Zara, Nia and even Vanessa, all of whom had much less screen.
Nah. I see the car accident and the scene at the the physiotherapist as significantly more impactful to the story and the character.
Agree to disagree, he's fucked without Nami. She's his conscience, without her he wouldn't know what to make of the incident.
There's a pattern whenever he has to make sense of things that he goes to Nami.
 
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While it's true that Vic's incident put Nika on this path, the one who really triggers him to start fixing his life is Nami, as seen after visiting Victoria at the hospital in chapter 1.
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All the other girls matter too in some way later, but it's Nami who prompted him to change.
The one who is primarily responsible for the improvement is Nika himself. Bella also plays a significant role and Nami plays a rather large role. But, I want to emphasize that Nika copes well at his own pace, and the best thing is when he accepts his own the decision itself, without forcing it. The scene with Nami in the hospital does not paint her at all, because she yells at the whole hospital and makes personal display to other people and her words, as if with a click you can let go of complete fucked up too.

One of the main reasons why Victoria is a big no for me, even as a friend, is precisely because of crap in the style of *fate*, *not a coincidence*, etc. Forcing relationships and imposing them through privileges only irritates me even more. Compare for yourself. The path of Bella and Nami (the public's favorites) and how easy it is to get out of their path, and the complete opposite - Victoria, the only character whose path, on the contrary, is very difficult to get out of, without knowing the passage and the only character whose path gives an additional fitness point. And to a lesser extent, but still a similar situation with the characters Nia, Zara and Nadya. Among the trio who participated in the incident with handcuffs, only Robin sincerely apologizes and we even have the opportunity not to forgive or keep on the hook. Whereas Zara and Nadya literally forced. Nya, with her bonuses from the agreement, go to her (much better game in the hall) there too.
 
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