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Just waiting for confirmation of the game rating from Steam.
Almost feel bad for the patreon subs getting cucked with the update because of steam review lol. Game is clearly ready to go but not released to the public yet in the off chance even more changes have to be made for steam.
 

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oh, I look at the old Mila, and man, she's so cool, young and fresh. Why he changed her to look like a doll with enormous boobs :(
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Pfff don't kid yourself. Mila's last changes were in the past few days. Like Ocean can really go through an entire night's sleep without getting on his workstation and tweaking one of the character's models... Full cup size increase here, larger butt there...

EDIT: Dude needs an intervention...that's a sickness.
The Mila thing was a topic over a year ago, and that was clarified by Ocean.

Why does always some other fool keep trying to chase the same sow through the village, albeit belatedly, just to make something bad?

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Almost feel bad for the patreon subs getting cucked with the update because of steam review lol. Game is clearly ready to go but not released to the public yet in the off chance even more changes have to be made for steam.
Also I, for myself, don't feel "cucked", not in the farthest way. I can totally get and understand the thought process behind this decision making.
I have posted here that Ocean should do exactly this, long before Ocean has announced this step in the public. From the perspective of a business man - and don't be a fool, Ocean is one and has act as one - there is logically no other way of acting.
 

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In fact, it occurred to me that the MC dyed his hair white at Emilio's place because he lost a bet with Sasha. :LOL:


Yeah, but she also had a similar hairstyle and some similar lighting(in several scenes) in S1 Ch4.
Woah, white? upload dat pic x3 one with regular color and the other, white. If he goes blonde, dude has 3 forms o.o

I think I skipped through that lol. Don't even know who she is (don't kill me.... but if so, be gentle) I've played too many games after playing this one a long time ago.


Chapter 3.5 is my fav

The newest version unfortunaly is very very close to utterly disgusting for me :cry:
Hard to tell since she's in light in one image and dark in the other. To me, it looks like only her nose was changed. The hairstyle from your fav to 4.5 seems the same, lips the same, eyebrows the same, eyes or eye lashes, different?

Are you only talking face wise or whole package? her chest looks weird in the 4.5 image, but it could just be because of the way her body is posed/standing. Shit will get more fucked up the more you fuck with it. Her face seemed a bit younger and now, a bit older? or that could just be my eyes from looking at her too much.
 
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Also I, for myself, don't feel "cucked", not in the farthest way. I can totally get and understand the thought process behind this decision making.
I have posted here that Ocean should do exactly this, long before Ocean has announced this step in the public. From the perspective of a business man - and don't be a fool, Ocean is one and has act as one - there is logically no other way of acting.
The positive result of this situation is that the distance between the publication of season 1 final and season 2 ch 1 beta will be shorter.
We know that even in reworking the season 1 final, Osean can still find time to work on season 2, so after submitting Season 1 to Steam, Osean can focus on working on season 2 and WiAB.
I forget how far along work on season 2 is (whether there was any notification or not :unsure: ), but it looks like there are already 400 renders ( :unsure: ) of WiAB Ch 3.5 completed.
 
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...there are often comments that SG has bad writing...
Having sampled many AVNs on here since 2018, I kinda scratch my head when people talk about "bad writing" in SG. Bad writing compared to what, exactly?

As a native English speaker, writer, and reader, I don't find the SG writing or dialogues particularly bad, especially compared to the majority of AVNs on F95. Yes, there are some things "lost in translation," so to speak, and some grammatical and spelling errors, but I find much of the dialogue feels natural.

Not once I have read the word "Succubus" (which, by default, reveals which part of the world the writer comes from) and I haven't read any typical F95 AVN trope dialogues, such as... Daughter: "Daddy?" Father: "Yes, honey?" Daughter: "I want to suck you pee-pee. Please, Daddy?" Father: "Why certainly, honey! What more could a good father do." CRINGE!

I have seen accusations the writing is bad because Wollust college, collage sport, and minutiae like getting a drivers license don't resemble real life. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Practically every Sci-Fi and Superhero movie, and every police procedural, courtroom, or hospital drama on TV is the same. Besides, some of the minor things (such as Ocean's choice to use a real-world medication in Ch 5) are easily fixed.

I use the same suspension of disbelief in SG that I use for movies and TV shows. That way, I enjoy the story without getting bogged down in irrelevant minutiae. I kinda SMH when reading Sci-Fi TV show fans questioning the physics or logic of some particular piece of technology. It's like, dude! The whole show is based around false physics and logic! FTL drives, sub-space, every alien race speaking American English... etc.

So far, the overall character narratives in SG make sense and there is an in-built complexity to the character relationships and dialogues, i.e. player choices matter in a way that isn't simply determining the order in which the MC porks every female NPC in the game. There is a lot of character backstory revealed throughout the game.

There is very little in the way of major plot holes - the biggest of which, IMHO, is the MC/Nami relationship. That relationship needs to either go all in (i.e. be clearly stated as originally intended, meaning goodbye Steam and goodbye Patreon) or unambiguously redefined away from the original intent. Otherwise, certain aspects of the plot and dialogue don't make sense in the official version of the game. For anyone saying that the MC and Nami HAVE to be blood-related for dialogues relating to a taboo relationship to work, I say, Nah! They have been under Nojiko's care since they were small children. Get the surnames right (i.e. the MC and Nami sharing Nojiko's surname) and make some minor changes to dialogue, and society would still view them as "brother" and "sister" because that's how they've been brought up (a one parent, two children family). This way, a relationship could still be viewed as taboo but not be illegal.

Of course, others will have their own take on all of this. That's fine. Everyone views SG through their own lens and no game is beyond criticism.
 

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Woah, white? upload dat pic x3 one with regular color and the other, white. If he goes blonde, dude has 3 forms o.o

I think I skipped through that lol. Don't even know who she is (don't kill me.... but if so, be gentle) I've played too many games after playing this one a long time ago.




Hard to tell since she's in light in one image and dark in the other. To me, it looks like only her nose was changed. The hairstyle from your fav to 4.5 seems the same, lips the same, eyebrows the same, eyes or eye lashes, different?

Are you only talking face wise or whole package? her chest looks weird in the 4.5 image, but it could just be because of the way her body is posed/standing. Shit will get more fucked up the more you fuck with it. Her face seemed a bit younger and now, a bit older? or that could just be my eyes from looking at her too much.
Talking about the whole package, everything got waaaaaaaayyy bigger, tits ass, tights, waist, everything (maybe not the face? not sure?) the new haircut sucks ass too. Shes just looks like a walrus nowadays, i cant see anything else looking at her anymore.

Fortunaly for me shes the only LI whose looks i really dislike (ok not a fan of marla too but thats something else).
 
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The Mila thing was a topic over a year ago, and that was clarified by Ocean.

Why does always some other fool keep trying to chase the same sow through the village, albeit belatedly, just to make something bad?

Devlog from 23.02.2023:

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Thanks for that comparison image I never really noticed her changed as I just got into AVN's last summer and I need to see a side by side. I must say after seeing this im on board with her change now her waist seems alot better now. Tho I did prefer the chapter 2 breast size / 3 breast size but the increase isn't terrible after seeing this. The chapter 1 breast size was horrible lmfao.
 

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Talking about the whole package, everything got waaaaaaaayyy bigger, tits ass, tights, waist, everything (maybe not the face? not sure?) the new haircut sucks ass too. Shes just looks like a walrus nowadays, i cant see anything else looking at her anymore.

Fortunaly for me shes the only LI whose looks i really dislike (ok not a fan of marla too but thats something else).
Ah, you are someone else though, not the person I was replying to.

So, you dislike the whole package. tights are bigger? damn, I didn't know she enjoyed some baggy tights :D slipping off her big ass with ease... *clears throat* a walrus? huh... I don't see that. We all see differently though. I think that hairstyle is like, the new shaved side hairstyle (cyberpunk style)

Just skip her scenes or stare at the words during her scenes, I guess lol. Avoid all eye contact.
 

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Ah, you are someone else though, not the person I was replying to.

So, you dislike the whole package. tights are bigger? damn, I didn't know she enjoyed some baggy tights :D slipping off her big ass with ease... *clears throat* a walrus? huh... I don't see that. We all see differently though. I think that hairstyle is like, the new shaved side hairstyle (cyberpunk style)

Just skip her scenes or stare at the words during her scenes, I guess lol. Avoid all eye contact.
Lmao, thighs ok? Im not a native english speaker and these two words .. i hate them with passion.

Its all good with Mila, i still like her and can look at her without trouble, just not interrested in her as a li anymore, not a really big deal and only disappointing because i liked her before. But i dont require every li in a avn to fit my tastes.
 

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Whats the chance mrs marla or the gym teacher doing some student teacher time
Very good - Marla is a LI. Personally I'd prefer Robin, Maja or Ayua, but we can't have everything. Who knows what Ocean might add though. Marla seems to have a very central plot point that hasn't been revealled yet, so she is going to be important regardless of whether you choose her path or not.
 
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Lmao, thighs ok? Im not a native english speaker and these two words .. i hate them with passion.

Its all good with Mila, i still like her and can look at her without trouble, just not interrested in her as a li anymore, not a really big deal and only disappointing because i liked her before. But i dont require every li in a avn to fit my tastes.
Honestly if I still used a characters appearance as a metric if I play their path I would be right there with you. I learned after a month or 2 after getting into AVN's to not to value looks of a LI as I found some of the LI im not attracted too can be really good characters and some of the better LI if you play their paths. While this isnt entirely true cause id say it's true 9 times out of 10 for me just not when a LI looks really old or there is just something that is really disgusting to me but that is rare to see.

But as far Mila yeah im not a fan of her appearance all that much even tho after seeing the comparison image someone posted I do think her waist is alot better now. But after getting to know her she is someone im very interesting in after my main 3 LI picks.

With that being said I don't want to assume it's her looks that turned you off from her or anything just felt like sharing my 2 cents for some reason maybe cause im bored AF right now lol.
 

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Having sampled many AVNs on here since 2018, I kinda scratch my head when people talk about "bad writing" in SG. Bad writing compared to what, exactly?

As a native English speaker, writer, and reader, I don't find the SG writing or dialogues particularly bad, especially compared to the majority of AVNs on F95. Yes, there are some things "lost in translation," so to speak, and some grammatical and spelling errors, but I find much of the dialogue feels natural.

Not once I have read the word "Succubus" (which, by default, reveals which part of the world the writer comes from) and I haven't read any typical F95 AVN trope dialogues, such as... Daughter: "Daddy?" Father: "Yes, honey?" Daughter: "I want to suck you pee-pee. Please, Daddy?" Father: "Why certainly, honey! What more could a good father do." CRINGE!

I have seen accusations the writing is bad because Wollust college, collage sport, and minutiae like getting a drivers license don't resemble real life. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Practically every Sci-Fi and Superhero movie, and every police procedural, courtroom, or hospital drama on TV is the same. Besides, some of the minor things (such as Ocean's choice to use a real-world medication in Ch 5) are easily fixed.

I use the same suspension of disbelief in SG that I use for movies and TV shows. That way, I enjoy the story without getting bogged down in irrelevant minutiae. I kinda SMH when reading Sci-Fi TV show fans questioning the physics or logic of some particular piece of technology. It's like, dude! The whole show is based around false physics and logic! FTL drives, sub-space, every alien race speaking American English... etc.

So far, the overall character narratives in SG make sense and there is an in-built complexity to the character relationships and dialogues, i.e. player choices matter in a way that isn't simply determining the order in which the MC porks every female NPC in the game. There is a lot of character backstory revealed throughout the game.

There is very little in the way of major plot holes - the biggest of which, IMHO, is the MC/Nami relationship. That relationship needs to either go all in (i.e. be clearly stated as originally intended, meaning goodbye Steam and goodbye Patreon) or unambiguously redefined away from the original intent. Otherwise, certain aspects of the plot and dialogue don't make sense in the official version of the game. For anyone saying that the MC and Nami HAVE to be blood-related for dialogues relating to a taboo relationship to work, I say, Nah! They have been under Nojiko's care since they were small children. Get the surnames right (i.e. the MC and Nami sharing Nojiko's surname) and make some minor changes to dialogue, and society would still view them as "brother" and "sister" because that's how they've been brought up (a one parent, two children family). This way, a relationship could still be viewed as taboo but not be illegal.

Of course, others will have their own take on all of this. That's fine. Everyone views SG through their own lens and no game is beyond criticism.
I mean the writing could be better (which is the case in 99% of avns) in comparison to the average of all avns it’s unbelievably amazingly godlike.

I’m comparison to the AVNs with very good writing (that’s fucking rare) it’s at least decent to good imo.

The thing is Ocean involved all these words like wormy/poundy/bibi/whatevi and dumb fucks see that and cry BAD WRITING while they are the last people qualified to rate that.

My theory is that these words have a deeper meaning and connection.

Its noticeable that these words are only used by very specific characters.

William/Leia/Kaite Zane who supposedly created these words at little kids, William and Leia created Bibi (Baby) as nickname for Katie.

It’s reasonable to assume that the other words originated in a similar way imo.

The only other characters using them are:

- Miru (copied the „slang“ due to living 5 years with Willy)

- Nika & Nami

- Summer

My assumption is that either Nika and Nami (probably) or Summer had a lot of contact with the Zane’s as little kids and copied their kiddy words.

Afterwards Summer copied the slang from Nika&Nami or the other way around.

All of them keep using these words, maybe there’s a meaning behind it as it connects all of them to their roots in one way or another.

And they all have a level of confidence that they don’t give a shit when anyone hears them talk like a toddler.

This theory became even more reasonable when Emilio stated in wiab that he has no clue what „Bibi“ means and thought it’s strange that Leia calls new dancers like that.

This indicated strongly that all these „kiddy-words“ aren’t canon/known in oceans universe and im convinced there is a reason why some specific characters know/use them.


Uhh I went kinda off rails lmao and maybe it’s all bullshit but we will see
 

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Honestly if I still used a characters appearance as a metric if I play their path I would be right there with you. I learned after a month or 2 after getting into AVN's to not to value looks of a LI as I found some of the LI im not attracted too can be really good characters and some of the better LI if you play their paths. While this isnt entirely true cause id say it's true 9 times out of 10 for me just not when a LI looks really old or there is just something that is really disgusting to me but that is rare to see.

But as far Mila yeah im not a fan of her appearance all that much even tho after seeing the comparison image someone posted I do think her waist is alot better now. But after getting to know her she is someone im very interesting in after my main 3 LI picks.

With that being said I don't want to assume it's her looks that turned you off from her or anything just felt like sharing my 2 cents for some reason maybe cause im bored AF right now lol.
You would have been right if you would have assumed that lmao

It would be different if I would think her character/story is super amazing or interesting than i would still consider her as a Li despite her looks.

And I would have played her path with some of her older looks despite not to much into her character/story.

The combination dooms it now for me kinda and I’m just really really more into petite/slim/athletic girls.

Sasha is perfect for me for example or even Allison from Race of Life, Bella‘s body is perfect too of course despite not being super petite

I’m just not into thick chick I guess but there are enough guys who appreciate them anyway
 

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Lmao, thighs ok? Im not a native english speaker and these two words .. i hate them with passion.

Its all good with Mila, i still like her and can look at her without trouble, just not interrested in her as a li anymore, not a really big deal and only disappointing because i liked her before. But i dont require every li in a avn to fit my tastes.
Ah, no worries then. I had no idea and wouldn't have made fun if I did (I would have understood things much easier) Sorry about that. If you hate them with a passion, overcome them. Kinda like, having angry sex. Hate-fuck those words till you love them again.

I can only imagine... tight tights help the tighs tell no lies but tighter tights keep dem butt cheeks super tight.... idk :rolleyes:

Damn, you liked her before, but the changes changed your feelings for her? crazy. I thought you probably liked her for her, did more than just her looks change? but like you said, no biggy. You will go after who you want and can enjoy the company of the other ladies for friendship.
 

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You would have been right if you would have assumed that lmao

It would be different if I would think her character/story is super amazing or interesting than i would still consider her as a Li despite her looks.

And I would have played her path with some of her older looks despite not to much into her character/story.

The combination dooms it now for me kinda and I’m just really really more into petite/slim/athletic girls.

Sasha is perfect for me for example or even Allison from Race of Life, Bella‘s body is perfect too of course despite not being super petite

I’m just not into thick chick I guess but there are enough guys who appreciate them anyway
fair enough yeah I'm mixed on the looks department in general when it comes to LI. Cause I do wish there was more Pettie LI hell I want to say sometimes it's my preference but once in a while I see a thick LI and then all of a sudden I can't decide who I like better. Nami and Bella is a good example of this.

I think alot of the reason I grew away from judging a LI based on their looks is I stopped treating these games as porn and something to play. But instead something I enjoy and treat most AVN's almost like a normal video game in some ways. Cause there are times I feel I have a bit of a completionist mentality and will play paths of characters I have no real interest in compared to the other options but I either like them enough to play , or something about them makes me want to play their path even if I hate them. A good example of this would Vanessa and Robin as I don't like either of those characters from this game and they are probably my 2 most hated characters in this game right now. Yet I will play their paths at some point when we actually get content lmfao.
 
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