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So, if i buy a patreon membership now, when the game release i won´t need to pay more? Like if i get now the 5$ tier then i will have the game for that price, or i will be forced to pay the Steam price? (I´m going to buy it anyway but just asking)
Just a doubt, could be a trick :LOL:
with the 5$ you will get the chapter 5 on patreon. for 15$ you will get WiaB and SG on subscribestar.

for 15$-20$ youll get the whole Season 1 SG on Steam or wherever.

And no you will not have to pay again via patreon or SS.

What Maviarab said is just not true (there are tons of examples of games where that is just not the case... lets just take a look at one popular one like being a dik... 5$ and you have access to the newest episode, on steam you can buy season 1 and 2 for a price way above that). And there is a difference paying for a whole season or making a monthly subscription for updates.
 
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It was an example Age on how useless these current Age Check Systems in place on Steam and some other Sellers are... even an 8 Year old could just go and buy things not appropriate for there real Age... just by clicking "Yes, I'm of legal Age" or "Yes, I'm 18 Years or older" - like so many Pages just ask you.
Well I don't know how other countries handle it, but in Germany only 18 years and older are "fully capable of doing business". You can from the age of 7+ buy stuff worth "pocket money", but especially buying something online "parents must consent" or "consent after the deal" meaning you could always go to court if someone just sells your kid stuff more worth than pocket money. On the other hand it is the parents job to keep an eye on what their kids are doing online.

But enough off-topic. ;)
 

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Then will nothing change, Ocean can still make a living out of the income Patreon/SS generates.

Steam is more or less a tool to get a nice money pillow for additionally safety in the short term, and in the long term to pull more audience to Patreon/SS.

We have to consider that the game is a one time sale, then Ocean again relies on the income from Patreon/SS. To be fully independent from Patreon/SS, well more from that moronic Patreon, is a hard peace of work.
So, he's just using Steam/Steam users as tools... and piggy banks, of course. Doesn't give a fuck about the users but only about their money, is what you are saying, right? why would anyone want to support that? get a censored/edited w/e version of Season 1 and that's all they get?

Oh, if they want the original untouched version of Season 1 + Season 2 and beyond, become a Patreon/SS!
 
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Just when the girl's wants to get laid. The guy can't even get his dick up
um yeah, its said from the beginning of the story he has ISSUES...
why would anyone care if he is emo/whinny/angry in an AVN if he is getting some?
 

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To summarize... it is what it is. I was sceptical if it would even be worth a try, but ocean wanted it so bad... he tried, jumped a lot of hoops for it... but to no avail... Its kind of a huge blow for him, it is obvious to see when you read his reactions to this in the discord.

Everybody has just to swallow it... no SG on steam, thats it, even with a 18+ rating it will not show up on steam in germany.
I am so far removed from all of this that I struggle to comprehend the reason why a German release is so, so important to Ocean from a purely business POV (as opposed to a personal or sentimental POV).

I have no information about the metrics of the German game market relative to, say, the rest of Europe (let alone the rest of the world), so I can't see why the loss of the German market would be so disastrous overall.

Are there potential German business subsidies or tax breaks at play here?

PS - This post is a ripe target for know-it-all, achieve-nothing Ocean haters to reply with low-rent, low-effort barbs at Ocean. I will happily block every user who replies with no clear intent to respond like an adult and add knowledge to the debate, or who makes potentially slanderous remarks. To any low-rent replies, I will say in advance to those users: " From your mouth to God's ears..."
 
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I am so far removed from all of this that I struggle to comprehend the reason why a German release is so, so important to Ocean from a purely business POV (as opposed to a personal or sentimental POV).

I have no information about the metrics of the German game market relative to, say, the rest of Europe (let alone the rest of the world), so I can't see why the loss of the German market would be so disastrous overall.

Are there potential German business subsidies or tax breaks at play here?

PS - This post is a ripe target for know-it-all, achieve-nothing Ocean haters to reply with low-rent, low-effort barbs at Ocean. I will happily block every user who replies with no clear intent to respond like an adult or who makes potentially slanderous remarks.

The most obvious reason ever... Ocean is german and lives in germany. No better reason to try a release in germany right?

But you are missing something here... its not about a german release only, we are talking about GLOBAL release. Most AVNs around here with a steam release arent released global. And it would make a huge difference if SG is available global with a 16+ rating instead of 18+

And just a small look around the discord gives a little idea that Ocean has gathered a fairly large fellowship from german players already... so yeah selling SG to german people is kind of a big deal in this case.

*edit* oh yeah and i forgot mention... there will be a german version too. And just to clarify that... for many many many german players its kind of essential that a game is available in german language. I dont have a problem with english versions at all. But you wouldnt believe how much heat Rockstar gets for the fact that there is no german audio language in their games like GTA and RDR and so on... And i have to say, we germans a kinda spoiled with german-synchronisation for movies and games. No other country makes so much effort in that regard.

So many german players look for games on steam with german language, if the games dont provide german language it is for many people here a no go... so releasing a german AVN in germany could be a door opener too...

Well yeah, enough of that, there are plenty of good reasons for Ocean to go for a german release and to be really upset about it that its not gonna happen.
 
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The most obvious reason ever... Ocean is german and lives in germany. No better reason to try a release in germany right?

But you are missing something here... its not about a german release only, we are talking about GLOBAL release. Most AVNs around here with a steam release arent released global. And it would make a huge difference if SG is available global with a 16+ rating instead of 18+

And just a small look around the discord gives a little idea that Ocean has gathered a fairly large fellowship from german players already... so yeah selling SG to german people is kind of a big deal in this case.
Thank you for adding perspective. To be honest, in the age of machine translation, it's hard to gauge the nationality of users/fans/players, unless they say something to give that information away.

I certainly generally understand the GLOBAL implications of the rating (16+ versus 18+) - more reach, without knowing which countries would be affected by the higher rating (SG shows up on Steam in my country, regardless of the rating). In any event, what would be the point of gaining a sizeable Steam following with a 16+ game if subsequent seasons are unavailable to those players because of an 18+ rating? EDIT: this would obviously affect a German-language edition aimed solely at the German market.

PS - I see the block feature is still working as advertised : )
 
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Thank you for adding perspective. To be honest, in the age of machine translation, it's hard to gauge the nationality of users/fans/players, unless they say something to give that information away.

I certainly generally understand the GLOBAL implications of the rating (16+ versus 18+) - more reach, without knowing which countries would be affected by the higher rating (SG shows up on Steam in my country, regardless of the rating). In any event, what would be the point of gaining a sizeable Steam following with a 16+ game if subsequent seasons are unavailable to those players because of an 18+ rating?
That is quite obvious too. Lets say... you buy a game on steam, play it, liked it... but its released in episodes. Just like Summers Gone. to continue you need the next episode. but the next episode will NOT be released on steam. Only a complete season. So... ingame there is the big huge patreon/subscribestar button. What will you do? Take a look. And than you might get hooked. Many AVNs skyrocketed after they got released on steam... many customers subscribed on Patreon. Which is a way better income for the DEVs cause it comes monthly, not only once.

Patreon or Subscribestar are available anywhere in the world. They dont have the same restrictions like steam.

Someone said Steam is more like a "tool" to get things running. And that is true. Initially ocean might get a nice little income boost selling the Season 1 there, but the main-income will be Patreon/Subscribestar in the longer run. So Steam/Epic/Gog is like a fishnet in the sea... and with a lower rating the fishnet becomes larger, so more fish, and the more fish he can catch, the more of the fish will go to Patreon/Subscribestar cause they want to play the next episode and dont want to wait until the next season is complete.

*edit* oh yeah and once you are at patreon/SS... the rating doesnt matter anymore. On top of that, the patreon/SS version is uncensored while the steam version will be changed just a tiny little bit. So another reason for many to just go to Patreon/SS too if they just learned about the game via steam...
 
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Thank you for adding perspective. To be honest, in the age of machine translation, it's hard to gauge the nationality of users/fans/players, unless they say something to give that information away.

I certainly generally understand the GLOBAL implications of the rating (16+ versus 18+) - more reach, without knowing which countries would be affected by the higher rating (SG shows up on Steam in my country, regardless of the rating). In any event, what would be the point of gaining a sizeable Steam following with a 16+ game if subsequent seasons are unavailable to those players because of an 18+ rating?
Being completely honest, anyone 16+ who gets season one will be 18 by the time a full season 2 is released. So no issue for the next release. If people have to wait to be old enough to play season 2 in 2 years time, that's the same as waiting to play some 18+ CDprojecktred release (or not).

The issues with 18+ are pretty unclear. I can access plenty of USK 18+ pages from a German IP without being signed in or submitting an age check, but any AVN with DAZ models is shadow banned. I almost feel steam have identified the engine as synonymous with porn ...and for the most part they're not wrong.

THe thing that really irks me is that if it retains a 16+ rating even with the frequent sexual content tag, but still gets shadow banned, it's very clear that Steam are not following the ratings system. That would also put them at risk of some form of lawsuit, or class action surely? THe fact that large studios put out 18+ games in Germany that aren't shadow banned says a lot, but considering they can still advertise if there is no 18+ content in the advertising, I can see how they get around that. Ocean could consider re-rendering Sonya's (?) semi nude from the intro cinematic, I think that the only thing that might trigger 16+ on the store page.

I think the rating isn't as important as steam's efforts to shadow ban regionally, considering they don't restrict USK 18 behind account walls/shadowbans. Think of the first season as the best way Ocean can build awareness in the non adult gaming community.

THe other issue is to prevent the rating from voiding the music contracts. That's something that could cause the rights holders to issue takedown notices. Season 2 will have separate contracts to Season 1, so S2 definitely being 18+ doesn't affect the licenses for S1.

The other thing is until it's got it's rating stamp, because it's triggered 16+ concerns, it has to be treated as shadowbanned until it's been resolved. So once steam opens for business on Monday, if SG retains 16+, I imagine they'll attach the rating to the page and set the permissions then, but while the game is unverified but flagged as a potential problem, it'll be hidden.

At least that's how I'm reading the situation.
 
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If you agree with it or not is irrelevant. It's the fact and it will not change if these kind of safety measures aren't implanted in there Shops... it got nothing to do with the USK. Plus they can use that System all over the World, there would be no real harm done in there Shops if they would ask everyone to authenticate there Age already at registration of there Account. Quiet the opposite trustworthy People wouldn't mind doing this... just the "Kids" that are so upset about it right now wouldn't want to "give there personal information" to a Shop.
Guess what, then don't use any Credit/Bank Card to pay with...
Why should Valve do this? Why should Valve risk their trust globally with such a stupid move. Germany is fucking Stupid as I said you can not even buy Zombie games uncut. And there is no fucking excuse for this. And protecting children? Children or teens will get on these things ANYWAY if you want to or not. So stop putting shit like this as reasoning.

I am already annyoed that I can not buy AVNs on Steam to support I am tired of it.
 
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Why should Valve do this? Why should Valve risk their trust globally with such a stupid move. Germany is fucking Stupid as I said you can not even buy Zombie games uncut.
That is kinda weird... cause... well my library is full of uncut games, even zombie games. Dont know what you are talking about regarding that, and that has nothing to do with DAZ AVNs anyways, total different issue. And SG is available on Epic and GoG in germany after all...
 

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That is quite obvious too. Lets say... you buy a game on steam, play it, liked it... but its released in episodes. Just like Summers Gone. to continue you need the next episode. but the next episode will NOT be released on steam. Only a complete season. So... ingame there is the big huge patreon/subscribestar button. What will you do? Take a look. And than you might get hooked. Many AVNs skyrocketed after they got released on steam... many customers subscribed on Patreon. Which is a way better income for the DEVs cause it comes monthly, not only once.

Patreon or Subscribestar are available anywhere in the world. They dont have the same restrictions like steam.

Someone said Steam is more like a "tool" to get things running. And that is true. Initially ocean might get a nice little income boost selling the Season 1 there, but the main-income will be Patreon/Subscribestar in the longer run. So Steam/Epic/Gog is like a fishnet in the sea... and with a lower rating the fishnet becomes larger, so more fish, and the more fish he can catch, the more of the fish will go to Patreon/Subscribestar cause they want to play the next episode and dont want to wait until the next season is complete.

*edit* oh yeah and once you are at patreon/SS... the rating doesnt matter anymore. On top of that, the patreon/SS version is uncensored while the steam version will be changed just a tiny little bit. So another reason for many to just go to Patreon/SS too if they just learned about the game via steam...
What are the major game platforms available in Germany that offer compliant age verification, thus catering for a strictly German-language audience? By game platforms, I am not referring to Patreon/SS.

I can certainly understand building a German-language fanbase on Steam (using that platform's broad reach) who can later migrate to another game platform for subsequent seasons of SG.
 

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What are the major game platforms available in Germany that offer compliant age verification, thus catering for a strictly German-language audience? By game platforms, I am not referring to Patreon/SS.

I can certainly understand building a German-language fanbase on Steam (using that platform's broad reach) who can later migrate to another game platform for subsequent seasons of SG.
There is no such thing as a "strictly" german platform.

Its just... you can set search criterias looking for games, in steam you can set "show me only games with german language" and many do just that. The major game platform is by far Steam in germany, Epic and GoG are not even close.

*Edit* oh and patreon is not well known in germany, but in the game is a direct link to the patreon page of SG, so people who buys it in steam will learn about the patreon page... Subscribestar is practically not existent around here, and never will be if they dont add other payment methods then creditcard. Creditcards are not used often in germany, especially not in the internet, too much saftey troubles happened in the past. And i will not subscribe on SS too as long as they only have creditcard... at least paypal would be needed, but they will not do that because of the restrictions that will come with that.
 
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There is no such thing as a "strictly" german platform.

Its just... you can set search criterias looking for games, in steam you can set "show me only games with german language" and many do just that. The major game platform is by far Steam in germany, Epic and GoG are not even close.
By "strictly German-language," I am referring to the gaming audience in Germany (not any platform), for whom the Steam restrictions apply.

Anyway, you answered the question. Out of interest, do Epic and GoG have compliant age verification?
 

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By "strictly German-language," I am referring to the gaming audience in Germany (not any platform), for whom the Steam restrictions apply.

Anyway, you answered the question. Out of interest, do Epic and GoG have compliant age verification?
Age verification... well if you want to call it that... i would not.

Its simple:

All they do is ask about your birth date. Thats it, you can fill in what you want there, thats really no real verification. No passport or something like that is needed... Which is a yearly topic of our child protection community and law, but they dont do much besides talking.

Well the stronger "age verification" is the essential payment method though... you cant open up a paypal account without being 18. You cant have a creditcard without being 18. Same goes for a full bank account. Those things have a really good verification of course and without a valid payment method, no working steam/epic/gog account. But most parents dont care obviously and just open up a account for their kids so they can do what they want and so on, they deal with the problems when its already too late...

Besides, i dont think underage people have much intereset in a Visual Novel... because... well they need to read and the whole game is basically a book, not that popular around teenagers these days.

But dluser is not wrong... we went way to deep in those things and they dont really matter for the game anymore...
 
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