VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Dr.TSoni]

Honestly I fell that Nika is of less importance than Nami.

That's without a doubt, I mean look at her

 

[BobTheDuck]

I always got the impression that it was more like a Ocean "Fuck you reader" than a Ayua "Fuck you reader" like a basketball could have hit sasha instead of ayua appearing for example too.

It appears strange to me that ayua would watch nami like a hawk the whole day to jump in case sasha and nami randomly talk about the earring ... wouldnt it make more sense to just tell sasha before to not do that?

Interrupting the conversation like that only delays it

Well, she wasn't hawk like, but maybe she overheard and though *oh shit* and realised she hadn't told Sasha about that maybe? She'd already seen Nami and Sonya in the locker room, but acts like she didn't notice them, even though she was asking about Nika's size. It's about as logical as Sasha and friends looking out for Nika and preventing the fight with Sai from escalating.

...and they could well have had that conversation while we were looking at the basketball game. Gotta remember that people do gossip while NIka is looking elsewhere - like Sasha's redhaired friend probably spilling the gossip about Bella and NIka being together shopping, or Desiree noticing the reporter incident.

I'm not hung up on this, but it's a bit of an odd moment, and Ocean loves hiding things in plain sight while simultaneously teasing us, knowing we'll get the wrong conclusion.

 

[alanrock]

That's without a doubt, I mean look at her
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Eww ...

 

[Mamaragan]

The devlog it's this week or the next one?

 

[Ray_D]

That's without a doubt, I mean look at her
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oh yes look at her.

Roommates 4 life.

 

[dameromexxx]

some people enjoy talking theories bro. it's like connecting the dot or doing puzzle. i never said it's real

All I can tell you is that if you stick around this thread for too long and play both WIAB and SG more than once, your theories will start to diverge significantly from your initial conclusions.

The already legendary Sasha is Summer or Nika is William's son certainly did not come out of nowhere your mind is excited about the new story and creates certain proven theories from elements that seem to fit together without paying any attention to the elements that do not fit

and hence ''look how Sasha looks at Nika in the gym'' ''look how she reacts to Summer's eraser flying in the air'' after some time you will calm down and start to notice that Sasha does not have Summer's moles and has a different complexion than her.
You will notice that all the models of the characters as children are easily comparable to the adult models and you come to conclusions that no surprises like oh my god ''enter the name of the character'' it's Summer will not be there and if she ever appears it will be visible immediately without any mystery.

I know this because I was there in June 2024 when I played both games for the first time. Is there any chance that Nika is not Zane after how Katie acted in the book club, that was one of my posts

It is similar with Nika and William after some time you will start to notice more things that do not fit than they do instead of theories you will simply start to consider possibilities that you take on the basis of certain thought-provoking seemingly insignificant events or lines of dialogue and the rest will be taken on instinct assumptions about what the missing pieces of the puzzle may be that are necessary to understand certain mysteries

And so I can assume that maybe, I repeat maybe, that Nika, if anything, has something to do with Leia and all this based on one interaction with a woman who was at Amber's to gossip with her, which seems to emphasize the significance of Nika's eye color or completely let my imagination run wild regarding the missing, in my opinion pieces of the puzzle in WIAB necessary to understand Cyrus's lineage, inventing that it is all connected to the family of religious fanatics to which Daphne belongs and her bad brother , or simply a man from the dirty work associated with them named Cyrus, who will cause a lot of mess in Zane's family

 

[Pl@y3r]

Honestly I fell that Nika is of less importance than Nami. At least with Nami we have a direct connection with the Zanes by the earring. Nika has nothing but wild theories. Sasha may look at Nika just because she finds him attractive and given that she do not has good experience with males she may be reluctant to act on it.

I disagree, after all the story revolves around him. What's mysterious about Nami besides the earring? Nothing, but there's a lot more regarding Nika both with what he's going through and whatever interest some characters might have in him. The way Sasha looks at him numerous times shows that she, for some reason, dislikes him not the opposite.

 

[yossa999]

What's mysterious about Nami besides the earring?

For example, something she did in the past that they agreed not to bring up? And so now therapy is useless for Nika unless he shares this thing with Amber. Do you understand what their conversation was about in ch4x5, and what Nami did? I don't.

 

[LHDLLB]

I disagree, after all the story revolves around him. What's mysterious about Nami besides the earring? Nothing, but there's a lot more regarding Nika both with what he's going through and whatever interest some characters might have in him. The way Sasha looks at him numerous times shows that she, for some reason, dislikes him not the opposite.

I fear I have not expressed myself well enough, of course the story revolves around Nika he is the MC, my point was that Nika do not need to be related to the Zanes in any way. He does not need secret parents or a mysterious past, those elements, I think, would be better employed on Nami - at the same time that frees Ocean of some headache. We may be lead to believe that Nika is "special", the lost son of the Zanes or the antagonist or some other family, and in fact the only thing special about him is his circunstancies. Nami so far at least has a real connection with the Zanes, she has Leia's earrings, Nika has nothing.

Sasha, yeah, she shows disinterest because she is interested. Maybe she does not know how to process the feeling of actually being attracted to someone, and looking at her experience with males, she may want to be certain that Nika is not a scumbag that will fuck her and piss off. It is just speculation with out much to back it up ? Sure, it is, but so is the idea that Sasha is some long lost friend or a spy of the Revera looking out after Nika. I always tend to think that the more simpler the answer is, higher the likelihood of it being true, and a over protected rich girl being zealous over who she befriends and dates is a more plausible scenario than the alternatives.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

Honestly it seems right up his wheelhouse. Ocean is 100% the type of "writer" to gives us the Arrival DLC, let us watch how the destruction of a single mass relay wipes out an entire Batarian system and have multiple endings where all the mass relays in the galaxy blow up while ignoring the damage that would have caused. Trillions of lives lost, planets and star systems gone for good and all the survivors stranded forever wherever they are. Poor Reapers couldn't even dream of doing 1% of the damage that Shepard did to the galaxy.

Ocean could totally write for Bioware! He is as much of a fan of narrative logic as they are.

i've stated a lot of times , that Oceans will put himself into a corner because of the simultaneous developing of WIAB and SG both stories could ended up sucking .
specially when Oceans tendencies are to re-write characters and dialogue just because his state of mind has changed .
and we know that he change his mind as often as his undergarments!

 

[Ray_D]

For example, something she did in the past that they agreed not to bring up? And so now therapy is useless for Nika unless he shares this thing with Amber. Do you understand what their conversation was about in ch4x5, and what Nami did? I don't.

Who knows? maybe nami is indirectly to blame for summer's disappearance or death.

 

[Pl@y3r]

All I can tell you is that if you stick around this thread for too long and play both WIAB and SG more than once, your theories will start to diverge significantly from your initial conclusions.

That's probably because of the reworks too.

or Nika is William's son

Or nephew.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

I fear I have not expressed myself well enough, of course the story revolves around Nika he is the MC, my point was that Nika do not need to be related to the Zanes in any way. He does not need secret parents or a mysterious past, those elements, I think, would be better employed on Nami - at the same time that frees Ocean of some headache. We may be lead to believe that Nika is "special", the lost son of the Zanes or the antagonist or some other family, and in fact the only thing special about him is his circunstancies. Nami so far at least has a real connection with the Zanes, she has Leia's earrings, Nika has nothing.

Sasha, yeah, she shows disinterest because she is interested. Maybe she does not know how to process the feeling of actually being attracted to someone, and looking at her experience with males, she may want to be certain that Nika is not a scumbag that will fuck her and piss off. It is just speculation with out much to back it up ? Sure, it is, but so is the idea that Sasha is some long lost friend or a spy of the Revera looking out after Nika. I always tend to think that the more simpler the answer is, higher the likelihood of it being true, and a over protected rich girl being zealous over who she befriends and dates is a more plausible scenario than the alternatives.

yup ! , i've been saying Mc and Nami should not be related to no one from WIAB and the crossroads between both stories has to be the mystery surrounding "Summer's disappearance"

 

[dameromexxx]

I can't imagine that someone stole Leia's earrings and then gave them to Sasha and Nami (*WiaB update drops and Krayt break in and steal the earrings, leaving behind more spiders to sow maximum confusion*). I'm kinda against the whole college being in on Nika's situation like it's the Truman Show though. It is likely that Sasha and Ayua have some sort of idea of what might be going on, but remember that Stefan's sister was(is still?) Katie's gf, and Emilio worked for Leia. If both of those people who were at one point close to the Zanes don't know any Cyrus'

Well, Bob, maybe the mystery surrounding Cyrus's lineage will turn out to be a sob story from a $1.99 romance novel that would only appeal to the local country housewives club and not to the local influential businessman or former gangster turned information dealer, given Sasha's interest in this type of literature is starting to fit.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

The devlog it's this week or the next one?

Ocean was spending time with Family through very early Dec. The dev log 'should' be this week if his trip did not get extended for some reason.

Cheers!!

 

[Pl@y3r]

Who knows? maybe nami is indirectly to blame for summer's disappearance or death.
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I'd say directly:

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ocean was spending time with Family through very early Dec. The dev log 'should' be this week if his trip did not get extended for some reason.

Cheers!!

He wrote on discord that he was back on Monday, so with luck it is soon.

 

[LHDLLB]

and we know that he change his mind as often as his undergarments!

Well Ocean change his mind every other update, I sure hope he changes his underwear more frequently than that. Other wise he will get worms in his wormy and I do not get updates.

yup ! , i've been saying Mc and Nami should not be related to no one from WIAB and the crossroads between both stories has to be the mystery surrounding "Summer's disappearance"

I like Nami or Nika being Zanes, both of them is a big no,no. And I like more if Summer is not related to WiaB, I prefer the whole Summer thing only as a character trait to Nika and not a overall plot point of the story, in fact I prefer that we never discover what happened with Summer.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I'd say directly:
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Shit happens

 

[omgx123]

Sure, and those small changes are what give it a more cinematic feel than most AVNs. That's actually a feature for me, that Ocean doesn't reuse renders; if a dialogue cuts back and forward between two renders, the conversation tends to feel stilted. I like the fact Ocean will render close ups of eyes or lips, the pupils dilating, the change of expression. It helps give a sense of the body language, whether a person really means what they're saying, if the situation makes them feel uncomfortable or if they have some sort of ulterior motive.

I think for this update, there will also be quit a number of optional activities - players who chose to ignore Nia for example, probably won't get as much content with her, different rnders for group scenes if you're on Nami's path (like we already have when she gets upset Nika is flirting if you've admitted you like her back) or Bella's path etc.

Everyone has a different idea of what the plot being developed is, to me it is not any singular LI's path, or the basketball or the criminal activities, the story is Nika coming to terms with himself learning to be a functional member (joke intended) of society. SO I see a lot of plot development. People who want to know about the Zane influence on the college haven't seen much development, people who want just Bella's path want more Bella etc. We're all seeing the game through our own preferences.

Details are good and all if the dev has the rig capable of rendering fast enough, but he doesn't, so these unnecessary renders are causing the update to be once per year for a visual novel game. This game and WIAB are gonna stay stuck in this circle unless the dev changes his way of thinking. Focus less on such "zooming, cinematics and extreme details" so he can dish out updates more often which in turn would attract more people and he can raise moeny faster to get more GPUs to render.