VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[RNasc4444]

You're mistaken as always, but who cares.

The Steam version was released in May 2024 and featured a complete rework of ch2 with 2000+ new renders for that chapter. So this is not exactly the censored ch5 Beta.

Disagree. But we can go at this for hours, the issue is we have different perspectives on what consists of "new content".

In my perspective, the heist scene has already been in the game for years, the Bella bedroom fight scene has been in the game for years and so has the basketball game scene. Sure renders were added but that isn't new. It's more of the same with slight differences. Essentially what Ocean did is what I used to do in highschool. Add random paragraphs of nothing to my papers just to make them seem longer. I added nothing new or of value. Just another way to say or show the same point I'd already made. In fact I argue he created more problems for himself. The AVN is already a shitshow of continuity issues and fallacies. He added Bella and the MC getting attacked and scratched by a damn cat. Only to have those scratches disappear in the next day somehow. As someone that owns a cat and frequently forgets to trim his claws, that shit stays on you for quite a few days. I guess it would be too on the nose huh? No one could blame Mila anymore when the neighbor that doesn't have a cat suddenly appears full of scratches the day after a house with a cat was broken into...

Now that's not to say your perspective is entirely wrong. But picture this. Ocean could have released the Steam version exactly like the Beta but with a single extra render of the escaped raccoon in some bushes with shining eyes. You could literally say there is new content in that version too and wouldn't technically be wrong. But we both know that, like the rework, it doesn't really, truly count

 

[Mamaragan]

He added Bella and the MC getting attacked and scratched by a damn cat. Only to have those scratches disappear in the next day somehow. As someone that owns a cat and frequently forgets to trim his nails, that shit stays on you for quite a few days. I guess it would be too on the nose huh? No one could blame Mila anymore when the neighbor that doesn't have a cat suddenly appears full of scratches the day after a house with a cat was broken into...

LMAOOOO
Dude you reaching. It's a fucking AVN. Having scratches of a cat on your body disappearing in a day is no more realistic than MC going from skinny to fit in a week.
The remake was overdue. It was slow, long, and annoying, but it has to be done. And some of the scene are better now. Ocean just took advantage of the remake of some old scenes and added more content.

 

[yossa999]

Disagree. But we can go at this for hours, the issue is we have different perspectives on what consists of "new content".

In my perspective, the heist scene has already been in the game for years, the Bella bedroom fight scene has been in the game for years and so has the basketball game scene. Sure renders were added but that isn't new. It's more of the same with slight differences. Essentially what Ocean did is what I used to do in highschool. Add random paragraphs of nothing to my papers just to make them seem longer. I added nothing new or of value. Just another way to say or show the same point I'd already made. In fact I argue he created more problems for himself. The AVN is already a shitshow of continuity issues and fallacies. He added Bella and the MC getting attacked and scratched by a damn cat. Only to have those scratches disappear in the next day somehow. As someone that owns a cat and frequently forgets to trim his nails, that shit stays on you for quite a few days. I guess it would be too on the nose huh? No one could blame Mila anymore when the neighbor that doesn't have a cat suddenly appears full of scratches the day after a house with a cat was broken into...

Now that's not to say your perspective is entirely wrong. But picture this. Ocean could have released the Steam version exactly like the Beta but with a single extra render of the escaped raccoon in some bushes with shining eyes. You could literally say there is new content in that version too and wouldn't technically be wrong. But we both know that, like the rework, it doesn't really, truly count

Perspectives or not, there is a fact - 2000+ new renders. You may not like that they cover almost the same part of the story (although there is a lot of changes, but whatever) but it is what it is. That totally differs from "The only release of 2024 was basically the censored ch5 Beta that was the Steam release." It wasn't basically the censored ch5 Beta, it was the completely reworked ch2.

Why he did this is obvious to anyone with eyes - just put the old and new renders in front of you and you will see that they're just two different levels.
Could Ocean have left the old chapters as is, just put a notice somewhere in the corner saying "sorry guys, this part is visually outdated, I'll definitely fix it to match the rest of the game once the game is completed"? He could definitely do it.

Would he benefit from this? I doubt it very much. He presented his game on Steam to an audience that is completely unaware of all these pretty little disasters and tragedies that accompanied the development of the first season and that cause such unbearable butthurt to some of the inhabitants of this thread.

So the Steam crowd ate the dish, left a good tip and said "very tasty, give us more!" But would they be so kind if after all these super photogenic advertising renders they saw old Nami in blue pajamas. No, she's cool, of course, but it's not at all what the advertising promised. Or Bella on the meth in the gym, or two different models of Ayua and Mila, or Vic's creepy smile in the cafe? I seriously doubt it. I would definitely think it's some kind of weird unfinished draft, which is definitely not worth the money they're asking for it.

So Ocean calculated everything correctly when he decided to remake the outdated graphics, and at the same time to fix the obvious inconsistencies left over from the dark path and old shit. Of course, he understood that he would cause another immensive butthurt to RNasc and some zoners, well, that's a sacrifice he was willing to make. Frankly, they would still butthurt, no matter what he did, right?

You do realize, right, that I am answering not only and not so much for you, but for people who might have accidentally looked into the thread and read all that about " basically the censored ch5 Beta that was the Steam release", about "horrible plot holes", about "atrocious writing"? And you and I have been here for quite a long time and know very well what, how and why happened in the development of this game.

"continuity issues" Comparing to others this game is the pinnacle of continuity. Many mainstream shows with million-dollar budgets have such holes the size of the Mariana Trench, but only for Ocean is this an unforgivable mortal sin. However, if this prevents you from enjoying the game, then alas, I am sorry. For me, these are funny minor flaws that do not spoil the overall impression.

 

[LHDLLB]

Disagree. But we can go at this for hours, the issue is we have different perspectives on what consists of "new content".

In my perspective, the heist scene has already been in the game for years, the Bella bedroom fight scene has been in the game for years and so has the basketball game scene. Sure renders were added but that isn't new. It's more of the same with slight differences. Essentially what Ocean did is what I used to do in highschool. Add random paragraphs of nothing to my papers just to make them seem longer. I added nothing new or of value. Just another way to say or show the same point I'd already made. In fact I argue he created more problems for himself. The AVN is already a shitshow of continuity issues and fallacies. He added Bella and the MC getting attacked and scratched by a damn cat. Only to have those scratches disappear in the next day somehow. As someone that owns a cat and frequently forgets to trim his claws, that shit stays on you for quite a few days. I guess it would be too on the nose huh? No one could blame Mila anymore when the neighbor that doesn't have a cat suddenly appears full of scratches the day after a house with a cat was broken into...

Now that's not to say your perspective is entirely wrong. But picture this. Ocean could have released the Steam version exactly like the Beta but with a single extra render of the escaped raccoon in some bushes with shining eyes. You could literally say there is new content in that version too and wouldn't technically be wrong. But we both know that, like the rework, it doesn't really, truly count

Not to barge in the conversation, and I agree that is a dead topic as is a matter of perspective but not only the tone of the heist scene is different the feel and how it is addressed is different. Same with the Nami conversation if you don't go to Bella or the basket scene if you go to Bella or not. Is different enough to be a new expression of the same work. A single raccoon renders would not change the work to the point of it being a new expression of said work.

 

[RNasc4444]

Not to barge in the conversation, and I agree that is a dead topic as is a matter of perspective but not only the tone of the heist scene is different the feel and how it is addressed is different. Same with the Nami conversation if you don't go to Bella or the basket scene if you go to Bella or not. Is different enough to be a new expression of the same work. A single raccoon renders would not change the work to the point of it being a new expression of said work.

Fair point.

And always feel free to barge in. If I'm active in this thread is because I respect and appreciate the input of most users here. Even Yossa's. I undestand his perspective and respect his opinions. I get why he defends Ocean. I just can't be right there on the same boat as him because I see things differently. And that's fine.

Dude you reaching. It's a fucking AVN. Having scratches of a cat on your body disappearing in a day is no more realistic than MC going from skinny to fit in a week.

As a work of fiction, grounded and based in reality, it should still be somewhat logical, no? Either ir all makes sense or none of it does. You don't get to pick and chose as you wish because "It's a fucking AVN".

 

[yossa999]

You don't get to pick and chose as you wish because "It's a fucking AVN".

Tell me again how many "Hey big brother, help me! I'm stuck in the washing machine" have you played ?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Perspectives or not, there is a fact - 2000+ new renders. You may not like that they cover almost the same part of the story (although there is a lot of changes, but whatever) but it is what it is. That totally differs from "The only release of 2024 was basically the censored ch5 Beta that was the Steam release." It wasn't basically the censored ch5 Beta, it was the completely reworked ch2.

Why he did this is obvious to anyone with eyes - just put the old and new renders in front of you and you will see that they're just two different levels.
Could Ocean have left the old chapters as is, just put a notice somewhere in the corner saying "sorry guys, this part is visually outdated, I'll definitely fix it to match the rest of the game once the game is completed"? He could definitely do it.

Would he benefit from this? I doubt it very much. He presented his game on Steam to an audience that is completely unaware of all these pretty little disasters and tragedies that accompanied the development of the first season and that cause such unbearable butthurt to some of the inhabitants of this thread.

So the Steam crowd ate the dish, left a good tip and said "very tasty, give us more!" But would they be so kind if after all these super photogenic advertising renders they saw old Nami in blue pajamas. No, she's cool, of course, but it's not at all what the advertising promised. Or Bella on the meth in the gym, or two different models of Ayua and Mila, or Vic's creepy smile in the cafe? I seriously doubt it. I would definitely think it's some kind of weird unfinished draft, which is definitely not worth the money they're asking for it.

So Ocean calculated everything correctly when he decided to remake the outdated graphics, and at the same time to fix the obvious inconsistencies left over from the dark path and old shit. Of course, he understood that he would cause another immensive butthurt to RNasc and some zoners, well, that's a sacrifice he was willing to make. Frankly, they would still butthurt, no matter what he did, right?

You do realize, right, that I am answering not only and not so much for you, but for people who might have accidentally looked into the thread and read all that about " basically the censored ch5 Beta that was the Steam release", about "horrible plot holes", about "atrocious writing"? And you and I have been here for quite a long time and know very well what, how and why happened in the development of this game.

"continuity issues" Comparing to others this game is the pinnacle of continuity. Many mainstream shows with million-dollar budgets have such holes the size of the Mariana Trench, but only for Ocean is this an unforgivable mortal sin. However, if this prevents you from enjoying the game, then alas, I am sorry. For me, these are funny minor flaws that do not spoil the overall impression.

This is the thing. Whatever we who have played the alpha of Ch1 through to Steam Season 1 Full think, there are people who have only played Season 1 Full. That is the intention even if the story changed on the way. We're reading the drafts and assuming they are canon, and I'm one of the guiltiest for that. If Ocean could, he'd write the whole game and develop it unseen, and release the entire game. AAA games that come in seasons are ultimately annoying, DLC's are ultimately annoying. The mainstream gamer wants the full meal, then the sequel.

We're privileged and cursed to see it's progress through development. Some devs can just build episodes like a comic, each chapter is done, cring and treasure, move on. Other devs realise some of their weaknesses or have patreons point them out and rush to adjust the game. Ocean solved some problems that were a priority at the expense of some that weren't as big an issue to him. I'm sure he still laments the music licenses he lost and the cool animations he was proud of (the future tub scene with Nami is because Ocean liked that scene too I'm sure).

I'm glad that the game is still in development while a lot of college style games with roomate got cancelled by the service providers in the last year. Why are so many games getting reworks in the last year, why are so many onhold or under review still? The best parts of SG remain to be shown to us, and some of that is due to Ocean being cautious. What happened to WiaB isn't happening here, and that's positive. I still miss certain things, but the overall trajectory of the game is seeming a lot more stable and consistent since Ocean dealt with the rework and got steam out.

 

[rudy007]

Tell me again how many "Hey big brother, help me! I'm stuck in the washing machine" have you played ?

Imagine washing machine size where Vic or Mila can stuck... or Helen...

 

[RNasc4444]

Tell me again how many "Hey big brother, help me! I'm stuck in the washing machine" have you played ?

We've talked about this too. You, better than I know this game was never like all of those. You also know the standard that Ocean sets for himself and his games. Therefore you can't be mad that I raise my own standard to meet his when "judging" the games. Or game! Because you don't see me doing this kind of narrative bashing on WiAB. I consider that rework to be a wildly successful one.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Disagree. But we can go at this for hours, the issue is we have different perspectives on what consists of "new content".

In my perspective, the heist scene has already been in the game for years, the Bella bedroom fight scene has been in the game for years and so has the basketball game scene. Sure renders were added but that isn't new. It's more of the same with slight differences. Essentially what Ocean did is what I used to do in highschool. Add random paragraphs of nothing to my papers just to make them seem longer. I added nothing new or of value. Just another way to say or show the same point I'd already made. In fact I argue he created more problems for himself. The AVN is already a shitshow of continuity issues and fallacies. He added Bella and the MC getting attacked and scratched by a damn cat. Only to have those scratches disappear in the next day somehow. As someone that owns a cat and frequently forgets to trim his claws, that shit stays on you for quite a few days. I guess it would be too on the nose huh? No one could blame Mila anymore when the neighbor that doesn't have a cat suddenly appears full of scratches the day after a house with a cat was broken into...

Now that's not to say your perspective is entirely wrong. But picture this. Ocean could have released the Steam version exactly like the Beta but with a single extra render of the escaped raccoon in some bushes with shining eyes. You could literally say there is new content in that version too and wouldn't technically be wrong. But we both know that, like the rework, it doesn't really, truly count

I'm with yossa999 on this.

You can ignore this as new content - which you repeatedly do.

That does make your definition of what is new content canon - it is just your definition ... your opinion.

It is much like you position that older SG was better than the canon SG - your opinion.

I consider 2,000 new renders, including a much-expanded heist scene to be a significant add to Summers Gone.

That is 'just a bit' more content than your example of adding in 'a single extra render.'

A rain drop and a tsumani are both water but hardly the same ...

Once we get the new S2 content, we can disagree about that new content.

Until then, tilling the same old ground over and over again is not going to yield a different crop...

Cheers!!

 

[xCalon]

Perspectives or not, there is a fact - 2000+ new renders. (...)

yossa999 you don't have to write a wall of text, just give to RNasc4444 some Maja, and he will be good, because Maja can be very persuasive...

Merry Christmas to all of you!

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[yossa999]

yossa999 you don't have to write a wall of text, just give to RNasc4444 some Maja, and he will be good, because Maja can be very persuasive...

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You know, I think I have a better solution: instead of writing a wall of text to RNasc I just can love some Maja to myself

Yeah, Merry Christmas to you too and to all the lads and lasses here!

 

[Maviarab]

yossa999 you don't have to write a wall of text, just give to RNasc4444 some Maja, and he will be good, because Maja can be very persuasive...

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You know, I think I have a better solution: instead of writing a wall of text to RNasc I just can love some Maja to myself

Yeah, Merry Christmas to you too and to all the lads and lasses here!

To be fair...she is beautiful...you can see why she enamoured him so.

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

Run Vic over again so Maja can be an LI instead.

 

[rudy007]

To be fair...she is beautiful...you can see why she enamoured him so.

Yeah, Maja is for me in top 6 or top 7 of SG girls too, little bit tough to decide on which place.

And Merry Christmas for you my fellow perverts... (and those who think they're not, but actually they are)...

 

[yossa999]

To be fair...she is beautiful...you can see why she enamoured him so.

I used up all my reactions, but yeah, no objections from me!
This is one of those rare cases where even a stopped clock shows the right time I mean, RNasc has recognized at least one beautiful girl.
But we have to wait. If he hated Zara because of her innocent antics stemming from her competitive nature, what will he say when Maja starts acting as assistant coach at ZPR

 

[Maviarab]

Run Vic over again so Maja can be an LI instead.

You're also a bad man Slow!

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[LHDLLB]

Fair point.

And always feel free to barge in. If I'm active in this thread is because I respect and appreciate the input of most users here. Even Yossa's. I undestand his perspective and respect his opinions. I get why he defends Ocean. I just can't be right there on the same boat as him because I see things differently. And that's fine.

I am somewhere in the middle. I do think that it is new content but it mostly tread old grounds and do not add much to the story, it is frustrating and I have many problems with it as well, even if I also think it is a net positive.

happy christmas to you all and that Santa Ocean bring us all, the lewd scene we want, regular updates, consistent boobs size and no more changes to the story.

 

[Mamaragan]

Fair point.

And always feel free to barge in. If I'm active in this thread is because I respect and appreciate the input of most users here. Even Yossa's. I undestand his perspective and respect his opinions. I get why he defends Ocean. I just can't be right there on the same boat as him because I see things differently. And that's fine.


As a work of fiction, grounded and based in reality, it should still be somewhat logical, no? Either ir all makes sense or none of it does. You don't get to pick and chose as you wish because "It's a fucking AVN".

I can. It's a fucking AVN. If cat claws mark shock you more than MC getting buff in a week, I can't do anything for you. There's a difference between a big hole in the story and detail you pick for the sake of arguing. In the first place, this scene was intended for comedy, not to be taken seriously. But you do you.

 

[RNasc4444]

I can. It's a fucking AVN. If cat claws mark shock you more than MC getting buff in a week, I can't do anything for you. There's a difference between a big hole in the story and detail you pick for the sake of arguing. In the first place, this scene was intended for comedy, not to be taken seriously. But you do you.

Are you cognitively impaired? Genuine question. Because you're the only one arguing here. I've never claimed the buff thing with 2 gym sessions didn't bother me. I just added the case of the disappearing claw marks and scratches to the long list of problems with Ocean's writing.

I don't even know what to do with the last sentence of your post. What the fuck does that even mean? Comedy? Not to be taken seriously? What?!?! Did the cat attack happen or not? Did they get scratch marks or not? If the answer to both is yes, then where did those scratch marks go the following day?

I get that you're an avid Ocean cockgobbler, that's fine. You do you. But sitting here arguing with me, trying to pretend that Ocean's writing isn't absolutely riddled with issues isn't gonna fix anything