VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BeingADikDik]

Asian women don't age til 60 then age all at once, so Noji checks out.

 

[LHDLLB]

I mean age is a thing in AVN's that is dealt with terribly. old Katie looks really great for her age. Noji is in her 40's looking maybe 25. Nick doesn't look old enough to have two almost 20 year old daughters, maybe early 30s. Charlie and Amber I get the feeling they could look like that, Charlie is a bit young, but I've met women like AMber who manage to make looking young effortless and part of her thing.

Ocean's avatar in the game looks old to people because he's got stubble and is chubby.

Condense this down - AVN's show that only old people look messy or unkempt. We don't see the tough as leather 60 year old fitness freak. Non of the milfs have had children if you look at their tummies. All the women have breastfed if you check their areolas.

Speaking of Ocean's avatar, I had friends who needed to shave daily before secondary school (around age twelve), and one guy went grey early, started getting white hairs in his 20s. People are weird and wonderful.

But not Mila. She's a chiro's wet dream that can't exist in standard gravity. Unless maybe Wollust really isn't just set in a combination of the US and Germany, but also on the moon. I expect Damian can slam dunk now. Also explains the floating hair.

Yeah, I don't know if devs don't want to make old people look old and risk they be seen as unattractive or if it is a DAZ limitation, either way the landladies are old because they are thick, maybe my brain is just too well trained at this point. Regarding characters I feel that Ocean still tries to give his characters some age, Molly looks like a old lady, Dylan too. Katie, Amber and Nojiko aged well Charlie seems a bit too young for me but I fell most of the cougars at the bookclub look like mid age women.

Yeah, Mila is a bit much, Nika's hair defies gravity, muscle grow happens in days and roommates kissing is taboo. I get the complains but at the same time still is a erotic story and some people like Mila's body, it does not bothers me too much even if it is not the most real body. I honestly have seen devs doing way worst.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, I don't know if devs don't want to make old people look old and risk they be seen as unattractive or if it is a DAZ limitation, either way the landladies are old because they are thick, maybe my brain is just too well trained at this point. Regarding characters I feel that Ocean still tries to give his characters some age, Molly looks like a old lady, Dylan too. Katie, Amber and Nojiko aged well Charlie seems a bit too young for me but I fell most of the cougars at the bookclub look like mid age women.

Yeah, Mila is a bit much, Nika's hair defies gravity, muscle grow happens in days and roommates kissing is taboo. I get the complains but at the same time still is a erotic story and some people like Mila's body, it does not bothers me too much even if it is not the most real body. I honestly have seen devs doing way worst.

It's certainly not a DAZ limitation, it's a porn logic thing. Look at Marla - perfect exacmple of a mature woman. Skin's no longer smooth, haircut is functional, clothing is functional rather than a statement etc. How many people hate that she is a LI? Now it looks like she's dressed up to go clubbing while she's teaching - complete porn logic to win players over to the necessity of Marla for Ocean's story.

If Ocean didn't, everyone will complain about Marla's scenes as unrealistic, because what horny 18 yo guy would go for her (despite the fact Nika isn't a horny guy)? Would it be a stronger story if Marla didn't look like she was competeing with looks, but competeing with her maturity and care? I mean, that's what Amber wins on, people like Amber and Noji because other than looks, there is no teen angst from them. Attractive and over their insecurities? What's not to like?

So given that, the ageism is purely based on player expectations of what is attractive, and most players are thinking like they're a horny young MC (even when the MC isn't horny). And the players have played all the other AVN's with landladies and milfs that are 20ish and have 18 yo tenants, so I guess brain muscle memory?

About Mila - the problem isn't that she is different, but that she keeps changing, and looks unnatural, in a game where almost everyone is mostly natural and doesn't change as much. Vic's boobs in Ch4.5 and Mila stand out because they're not up to the quality we see everywhere else. Noji's changes are a complaint because they made her look younger, but no one is making their stand on that hill, because it fits the porn logic of every woman being attractive to the player.

Consistency is the thing. I also don't think it's necessary to fix it, we can't unsee Ch1 Mila being different from Ch5 Mila, but there's hope Ocean will keep things consistent from here.

 

[Futa_Buddy]

Does this game have any femdom? Or is this one of those it might-have-femdom-sometime-in-the-future (maybe) kind of games...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Does this game have any femdom? Or is this one of those it might-have-femdom-sometime-in-the-future (maybe) kind of games...

I believe Ocean's said Vanessa has a dom route (she's persuaded her current bf to wear a buttplug, so it's no stretch of the imagination), but we'll have to see when that gets implemented. One character is into shibari. There's an indication of feet things based on something Zara does and something Nami does. So the idea is there probably will be, but I doubt it'll be included in Season 2.

Each of the LI's has different kinks, so depending on player choic, I guess there will be optional lewd content ...eventually.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

That's actually what a human being with that much "flesh" should look like. The "normal" Mila looks like an XL plastic sex doll. No human being looks like that. Even with tons of plastic surgery. Her ridiculous ass and breasts are made up of mostly fat tissue that streches the skin and sags.

That bitch isn't human! Don't trust her. And don't trust Vic either, we know she is a liar. Fucking cripple has the audacity to tell Nami that her tits are real. Real my fucking ass. Even a blind gay man can tell those things are fake from a million miles away.

Mila went from this


to this

in just a couple of updates !

 

[Pl@y3r]

Mila went from this
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in just a couple of updates !

And you went from this:

to this:

'Cause I told you to hide such shit under a spoiler...

 

[Penfold Mole]

Fat Mila looks like a 50 years old.

It's such a low res image, the face is maybe 100x100 pixels. No, not even that much, it's basically pixel art. How do you even make out her age from there?
Maybe I could have made a better job if I increased resolution before trying to make her cheeks and chin fatter fuller, but probably not.

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[LHDLLB]

It's certainly not a DAZ limitation, it's a porn logic thing. Look at Marla - perfect exacmple of a mature woman. Skin's no longer smooth, haircut is functional, clothing is functional rather than a statement etc. How many people hate that she is a LI? Now it looks like she's dressed up to go clubbing while she's teaching - complete porn logic to win players over to the necessity of Marla for Ocean's story.

If Ocean didn't, everyone will complain about Marla's scenes as unrealistic, because what horny 18 yo guy would go for her (despite the fact Nika isn't a horny guy)? Would it be a stronger story if Marla didn't look like she was competeing with looks, but competeing with her maturity and care? I mean, that's what Amber wins on, people like Amber and Noji because other than looks, there is no teen angst from them. Attractive and over their insecurities? What's not to like?

So given that, the ageism is purely based on player expectations of what is attractive, and most players are thinking like they're a horny young MC (even when the MC isn't horny). And the players have played all the other AVN's with landladies and milfs that are 20ish and have 18 yo tenants, so I guess brain muscle memory?

About Mila - the problem isn't that she is different, but that she keeps changing, and looks unnatural, in a game where almost everyone is mostly natural and doesn't change as much. Vic's boobs in Ch4.5 and Mila stand out because they're not up to the quality we see everywhere else. Noji's changes are a complaint because they made her look younger, but no one is making their stand on that hill, because it fits the porn logic of every woman being attractive to the player.

Consistency is the thing. I also don't think it's necessary to fix it, we can't unsee Ch1 Mila being different from Ch5 Mila, but there's hope Ocean will keep things consistent from here.

Marla does seems like a mature woman, I completely forgot her. I agree that it is not free of porn logic, but still is a porn game, there is no way around it. Is hard to say that you need a shoot of Vic's pussy when you take her to the bathroom, the thing is what is imerssion breaking or not. At this point I would argue that 25 years old Landladies are already so integrared to the genre that I kinda don't think about it too much.

Yeah, even though I don't notice much of this things, Mila is all over the place throughout season 1, is really immersion breaking and that is a bigger problem than she being too thicc, same thing with that awful Vic render in 4.5 is less that her boobs are too big and more that they look like rock.

 

[LHDLLB]

It's such a low res image, the face is maybe 100x100 pixels. No, not even that much, it's basically pixel art. How do you even make out her age from there?
Maybe I could have made a better job if I increased resolution before trying to make her cheeks and chin fatter fuller, but probably not.

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I don't know man, just the way she looks reminds me of a old lady. I don't think is something you did just what my brain saw when I looked at the picture.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Marla does seems like a mature woman, I completely forgot her. I agree that it is not free of porn logic, but still is a porn game, there is no way around it. Is hard to say that you need a shoot of Vic's pussy when you take her to the bathroom, the thing is what is imerssion breaking or not. At this point I would argue that 25 years old Landladies are already so integrared to the genre that I kinda don't think about it too much.

Yeah, even though I don't notice much of this things, Mila is all over the place throughout season 1, is really immersion breaking and that is a bigger problem than she being too thicc, same thing with that awful Vic render in 4.5 is less that her boobs are too big and more that they look like rock.

The other thing is that the mature women in the bookclub on the whole look much better at being their age (Madison, Maddie, and Anna, even Noji looks more her age in the bookclub scene) but it's hard to believe Charlie is old enough to have Robin. She could easily pass for a student. It's a weird choice more than anything because you have these two people in the same scene sowing remarkably different ages - which makes it a choice, because can immediately see Ocean can render age (for example, Claire looks loder than Bella, but still seems like Amber's younger sister.) Anyway, in the same scene:



Compare Charlie to Madison. Would you think Chalie has a daughter or Madison? Remember Molly is Aziz's mum and she looks like a grandma. It's pretty haphazard as to who gets an ages look and who is blessed with the super moisturizing genes.

 

[Adhdclassic]

The other thing is that the mature women in the bookclub on the whole look much better at being their age (Madison, Maddie, and Anna, even Noji looks more her age in the bookclub scene) but it's hard to believe Charlie is old enough to have Robin. She could easily pass for a student. It's a weird choice more than anything because you have these two people in the same scene sowing remarkably different ages - which makes it a choice, because can immediately see Ocean can render age (for example, Claire looks loder than Bella, but still seems like Amber's younger sister.) Anyway, in the same scene:

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Compare Charlie to Madison. Would you think Chalie has a daughter or Madison? Remember Molly is Aziz's mum and she looks like a grandma. It's pretty haphazard as to who gets an ages look and who is blessed with the super moisturizing genes.

What's the mature redhead chick name now she is hot.

 

[BobTheDuck]

What's the mature redhead chick name now she is hot.

There's Jenna and Maddie:

 

[Adhdclassic]

There's Jenna and Maddie:

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Maddie yea that's what I am talking about.

 

[dameromexxx]

The other thing is that the mature women in the bookclub on the whole look much better at being their age (Madison, Maddie, and Anna, even Noji looks more her age in the bookclub scene) but it's hard to believe Charlie is old enough to have Robin. She could easily pass for a student. It's a weird choice more than anything because you have these two people in the same scene sowing remarkably different ages - which makes it a choice, because can immediately see Ocean can render age (for example, Claire looks loder than Bella, but still seems like Amber's younger sister.) Anyway, in the same scene:

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Compare Charlie to Madison. Would you think Chalie has a daughter or Madison? Remember Molly is Aziz's mum and she looks like a grandma. It's pretty haphazard as to who gets an ages look and who is blessed with the super moisturizing genes.

I wonder if Ocean first created the models of the women from bookclub and only then wrote the dialogues or the other way around. That could explain why Charlie looks younger than the rest because he could have created her with the intention of matching her to Nami's comment about Charlie reminding her of Vampire. Maybe without this Elvira or Siouxsie Sioux like makeup she would look older? Charlie looks like Ventrue from Masquerade

 

[BobTheDuck]

I wonder if Ocean first created the models of the women from bookclub and only then wrote the dialogues or the other way around. That could explain why Charlie looks younger than the rest because he could have created her with the intention of matching her to Nami's comment about Charlie reminding her of Vampire. Maybe without this Elvira or Siouxsie Sioux like makeup she would look older? Charlie looks like Ventrue from Masquerade

That's a great point!

 

[LHDLLB]

The other thing is that the mature women in the bookclub on the whole look much better at being their age (Madison, Maddie, and Anna, even Noji looks more her age in the bookclub scene) but it's hard to believe Charlie is old enough to have Robin. She could easily pass for a student. It's a weird choice more than anything because you have these two people in the same scene sowing remarkably different ages - which makes it a choice, because can immediately see Ocean can render age (for example, Claire looks loder than Bella, but still seems like Amber's younger sister.) Anyway, in the same scene:

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Compare Charlie to Madison. Would you think Chalie has a daughter or Madison? Remember Molly is Aziz's mum and she looks like a grandma. It's pretty haphazard as to who gets an ages look and who is blessed with the super moisturizing genes.

Yeah, I mentioned it in the other post, the MILFs at the book club look much more like their age, but then we don't know their age. Madsion could be a 50+ woman and Charlie a 35 one who had a child in her teen years. There are 40+ women who look like Amber and I have see 20 years girl that looked 47. Everybody is way too attractive anyway. There is not much to it beyond what Ocean wants and some form of porn logic is inevitable

 

[LHDLLB]

I wonder if Ocean first created the models of the women from bookclub and only then wrote the dialogues or the other way around. That could explain why Charlie looks younger than the rest because he could have created her with the intention of matching her to Nami's comment about Charlie reminding her of Vampire. Maybe without this Elvira or Siouxsie Sioux like makeup she would look older? Charlie looks like Ventrue from Masquerade

As is said the game is written I would say that he makes the characters based on the script, so you makena great point.

 

[Conor Adams]

Mila went from this
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True. Mila was supposed to rival Bella

 

[RNasc4444]

The other thing is that the mature women in the bookclub on the whole look much better at being their age (Madison, Maddie, and Anna, even Noji looks more her age in the bookclub scene) but it's hard to believe Charlie is old enough to have Robin. She could easily pass for a student. It's a weird choice more than anything because you have these two people in the same scene sowing remarkably different ages - which makes it a choice, because can immediately see Ocean can render age (for example, Claire looks loder than Bella, but still seems like Amber's younger sister.) Anyway, in the same scene:

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Compare Charlie to Madison. Would you think Chalie has a daughter or Madison? Remember Molly is Aziz's mum and she looks like a grandma. It's pretty haphazard as to who gets an ages look and who is blessed with the super moisturizing genes.

While you do make a good point honestly the book club gal's ages didn't trigger my sus alarm. What age do you think Charlie is? I'd say somewhere between 36 and 42. If she had Robin at 18-24 and Robin is now a college freshman, it fits. If Claire is stated to be in her early 30's (which she looks to be around that age) Amber is probably not more than 10 years older. Which would match Charlie's age. And also Nojiko's. Nojiko is asian and we know what that means. I think she can pull 30 just as well as 40.