LHDLLB

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I don't understand what you mean you work for a sports team in college while you're in high school. Whether you are part of a college team is not determined by high school achievements.

Walk-Ons are a thing in college. Anybody at all can just show up and try to make the team. Depending on the sport, and the school, most of the players on a team will be walk-ons. So yes, you could absolutely tell the same story without inventing such an insane system.

I think you may be falling into the same trap Ocean has. It seems to me that your perception of how sports at the college level in America work is based on guesses.
You are missing the point. SG does not take place in America and its world serves the story. I get what you are saying but what you are saying does not be work here. Is like saying that incest does not works like GRRM wrote it. Yeah, it does not. The point is not how incest works over 300 years but what it makes for the story.
 

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You are missing the point. SG does not take place in America and its world serves the story. I get what you are saying but what you are saying does not be work here. Is like saying that incest does not works like GRRM wrote it. Yeah, it does not. The point is not how incest works over 300 years but what it makes for the story.
I fully got and accepted your point. My latest reply was not you. dameromexxx made the specific claim that the real way sports work in college would not allow SG's story. I was pointing out that is incorrect.

Also, incest does work like GRRM wrote it. In that...it works. A male and female have sex and produce offspring. What are we talking about here? Are you under the impression that siblings having children guarantees birth defects on the first generation?
 

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I fully got and accepted your point. My latest reply was not you. dameromexxx made the specific claim that the real way sports work in college would not allow SG's story. I was pointing out that is incorrect.

Also, incest does work like GRRM wrote it. In that...it works. A male and female have sex and produce offspring. What are we talking about here? Are you under the impression that siblings having children guarantees birth defects on the first generation?
The real world way sports work in America. You assume that SG takes place in a country that is does not.

No, but you also missed the 300 years part. Incest is not much harmful in the first generations but it does not take long to show why evolution worked so hard to keeping you from fucking your sister. Granted we have historial exemples of long and incestuous dynasties but it also is not the most smart thing to do if you don't want some Charles II of Spain popping up in your family tree
 

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I don't understand what you mean you work for a sports team in college while you're in high school. Whether you are part of a college team is not determined by high school achievements.

Walk-Ons are a thing in college. Anybody at all can just show up and try to make the team. Depending on the sport, and the school, most of the players on a team will be walk-ons. So yes, you could absolutely tell the same story without inventing such an insane system.

I think you may be falling into the same trap Ocean has. It seems to me that your perception of how sports at the college level in America work is based on guesses.
Thanks it's always fun to learn something but can you tell me if any of these colleges have as their main patron the owner of the local brothel? And their own modeling agency? Wollust has the Porn filter turned on and gaining Hill's recognition taking part in this whole three-team game is more important for this game whether it's crazy or not
 

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The real world way sports work in America. You assume that SG takes place in a country that is does not.
Again, the conversation had moved on. My reply was *specifically* to a post that said *America's* system would not work. You do not need to keep repeating yourself. As I said, I'm fully keeping up with, and reading the conversations I get involved in.

Thanks it's always fun to learn something but can you tell me if any of these colleges have as their main patron the owner of the local brothel? And their own modeling agency? Wollust has the Porn filter turned on and gaining Hill's recognition taking part in this whole three-team game is more important for this game whether it's crazy or not
I clearly missed some branches of SG, because I never encountered anything about a brothel. I also completely ignored Hill. Though impressing a coach as a walk-on would make perfect sense without inventing a new way to do sports.

Just to preempt LHDLLB, I get it. The real answer is Ocean wanted it this way, so it is this way. That's how being an author works. I'm just pointing out how unnecessary and strange it all is.
 
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Again, the conversation had moved on. My reply was *specifically* to a post that said *America's* system would not work. You do not need to keep repeating yourself. As I said, I'm fully keeping up with, and reading the conversations I get involved in.



I clearly missed some branches of SG, because I never encountered anything about a brothel. I also completely ignored Hill. Though impressing a coach as a walk-on would make perfect sense without inventing a new way to do sports.

Just to preempt LHDLLB, I get it. The real answer is Ocean wanted it this way, so it is this way. That's how being an author works. I'm just pointing out how unnecessary and strange it all is.
That is fine, sorry if I was annoying. More like you missed a whole game, he is talking about WiaB. Regarding SG story, we don't really know much about it so some Ocean choices might see strange to us until we know more about it or he just get lazy and went the esaier way.
 

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That is fine, sorry if I was annoying. More like you missed a whole game, he is talking about WiaB.
Ah. I haven't played WiaB. I'm starting it currently. I've become sort of fascinated by the weird choices he makes. I think his dialog is pretty well written, and most of the characters are well done. That's why I find all the weird stuff so interesting. None of it makes any sense and it's like looking at a car crash. I just can't stop looking at it.
 
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Though impressing a coach as a walk-on would make perfect sense without inventing a new way to do sports.
Sure, but the whole story of the ongoing battle between coaches over positions on a given team and school officials giving support to individual coaches would be harder to do. Not to mention the further development of the situation, how Coate will react to Stahl and Hill people, especially if they test her team hard in the sparring.

Only Ocean knows what will happen next and what he really needs to be able to tell some of his stories.

For now, all we can say is that he stretches his fictional reality in such a way as to fit his story into it.
 
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Man I should not have clicked on that second spoiler tag... I should really NOT have clicked that second spoiler tag...fuck me.

My body's violent reaction to that render now has me concerned about playing the game moving forward. Jesus Christ in heaven. It's like going from cute kitten videos to watching someone get decapitated and disemboweled at the same time.

Gonna work on purging this devlog from my brain... Math and unclothed Mila - 2/10:sick:
What are you doing here? go back to grandam house and play that shit!
 
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Perhaps adding the Fantasy and Sci-Fi tags might assuage some of the world-building criticisms? /s

The SG setting screams High School more than College, but, of course, it can't be a High School, oh, no, no, no, because of the age of students...

I accept using suspension of disbelief on elements of the world-building I consider minutiae, but that does make it hard to find the really out-of-place plot points worthy of attention. For example, detentions in college simply being part of how things are done in Wollust versus two kids casually walking in half a day the equivalent of a six-hour (at minimum) car drive. The former has no real bearing or effect on the main story arc, but the latter possibly does [we don't know yet if the six-hour conundrum is a plot hole or a plot element yet to be explained, i.e. maybe some of Nika's memories presented to the player are a construct he created to block out a darker reality and maybe there really are two lakes]. The old saying, "...can't see the wood for the trees" is really apt for SG for two reasons. 1. players getting caught up in trival minutiae can't "see the wood for the trees." 2. Sloppy world-building by Ocean makes it difficult for players to see "the wood for the trees".

It would be hoot, but out of character for Ocean to "hang a lantern" on some of these Wollustisms. Imagine a brief, but casual conversation between Nika and a foreign student in the hallway of the college... Foreign Student: "Man! Your whole college basketball system is not how it works where I come from". Nika: "We ain't in America, Dorothy".
 

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Man I should not have clicked on that second spoiler tag... I should really NOT have clicked that second spoiler tag...fuck me.

My body's violent reaction to that render now has me concerned about playing the game moving forward. Jesus Christ in heaven. It's like going from cute kitten videos to watching someone get decapitated and disemboweled at the same time.

Gonna work on purging this devlog from my brain... Math and unclothed Mila - 2/10:sick:
Yeah, sigh! Damn Ocean and his BBL Fetish.

Mila went from something akin to:

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Mila tells Nika that her family is dirt poor. Perhaps she didn't reveal they were middle class until she insisted on her BBL surgery. Man, Mila must've had some serious fat on her belly and thighs before the procedure. /s.
 

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Yeah, sigh! Damn Ocean and his BBL Fetish.

Mila went from something akin to:

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Mila tells Nika that her family is dirt poor. Perhaps she didn't reveal they were middle class until she insisted on her BBL surgery. Man, Mila must've had some serious fat on her belly and thighs before the procedure. /s.
Oh, yes. Alexandra Daddario is a living goddess, but the other girl also looks pretty good compared to Mila's profile. I wouldn't have probably even mentioned Mila's new looks, would she look something close to that.

On that Mila render the camera angle actually makes her look worse than she is, just like on that first full render of her in the game.
I just put her side-by-side with this girl and rotated the image counter-clockwise, turning the walls of the room vertical. Mila instantly started to look a tiny bit better.
Then I took the liberty to try to roughly adjust her body into something more natural, considering how large an ass can grow without getting significantly fatter in the middle and how much such soft tissue would be affected by gravity.
After lowering her rear spoiler, I also made her a tiny bit thicker in the middle considering the trunk size she still has after adjustment.
Then I pulled her balloon boobs a tiny bit lower and flatter, leaving them still very large and perky (considering the girls talk about her connective tissue wonders).
Then I realized that her center of mass would still make her tip over, so I also adjusted her posture, considering the mass in front.

It's still a very rough and quick "shopping" job (I used GIMP) and she is still a big girl, but she already started to look more human than the original centaur and much better than on the original render, IMHO
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I don't think it's "over the top" really. It's just all the little things that annoy me. To be clear, none of it matters to the actual content. I'm just being irrational. Some examples that I see in many AVNs:

1) Colleges do not have a "front desk" or "reception" such as the now iconic "college reception" that's in like 500 AVNs. The closest you're going to find is some sort of main administration office, but that's going to be some boring place you might *never* physically go to in your 4 years attending the school. I went to a tiny private college (1200ish students) for 2 years. I was in the deans office once for...something? I never saw the main admin offices. I then went to a state school (10s of thousands of students). I saw the main admin offices there, but only because I was a transfer and had extra paperwork.

2) Colleges do not have hallways lined with lockers. That's high school.

2.5) You schedule in college is different pretty much every day, and unless you're really cramming in the credits trying to graduate in less than 4 years, or you're doing a double major, you're probably looking at 3 to 4 hours of class *at most* some days. Other days you have have 0 or 1 hour.

3) Dorm rooms are not in the same buildings as offices or classrooms. I suppose this is possible, but between the two schools I attended, and a few others I visited, I've never seen this.

4) You don't need an ID to be on campus. Even that tiny secluded private school I went to was still just...a place you could drive in to and then you're just around. The bigger schools are litteral cities. They have dozens, or hundreds of buildings and 10s of thousands of students. They're often intermixed with the cities there in to the point that you have no idea when you're "on campus" or not.

4) When talking about the day to day of attending lectures/lessons/class you "go to class." You don't "go to school," or "go to college." You would never say something like "why weren't you in college today?" You'd ask "why weren't you in class today?"

5) College professors are not high school teachers. They do not deal with fuckery, shenanigans, or discipline. For example, the scene with getting into fight with Bella an drawing all over each other. Then the professor escorts you to the bathroom to clean up, and she lectures you and all that. Absolutely not. You'd just be kicked out of the class, probably permanently, and that would be it. High School teachers have to deal with that shit and try to get you in line. You're required to be there. You don't have to be in college. You're paying to go. If you act like a dumb ass and get kicked out, that's just on you.

6) *Everything* about college sports in every AVN I've seen is wrong, with the exception of Move the Chains. All the terms people use, the systems that seem to be in place, the teams, the type of people on the teams. Literally everything is so very very wrong. Summer's Gone is *very* bad in this regard. Even if we ingore the insane outfits the girls wore in that first basketball scene. Also, Trey an Jeffery are *not* basketball players. I laugh out loud every time they talk about playing basketball. In fact, almost none of the men in the game are basketball players. They're all built like Linebackers.

6.5) I'm just now getting to more sports stuff in SG. What...is happening? The only thing accurate here is that the sport of basketball exists. First team? Second team? Coed teams? Coaches somehow in competition with each other? The idea that everybody is involved in sports at all? The *vast* majority of college students will never do anything related to official sports. This is a fever dream.

7) Specific to Summer's Gone there has been mention a couple times so far of a "rival college." This can be a thing, but this goes back to sports. No college that is as tiny as the one in the game, is going to have a "rival college" because you'd need actual sports programs that are relevant for this to be a thing. You can't exactly work up the Red River Rivalry or the Iron Bowl with an enrollment under 1000.

8) Lol, colleges do not have bars that are actually part of the college. They're typically surrounded by bars, but the idea of a college or university (that is primarily made up of students too young to legally drink) having an official bar is just...so silly.
I guess you never entered a European College.

- in my college, I had a cafeteria right next to the lecture hall

- you weren't allowed in the premises unless you were a student/teacher/someone who had to enroll/need a certificate

- legal age for buying alcohol in Europe is 18, bro. Just to be clear, in my country legal age for drinking is 16.
 
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