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Oh yeah, I don't think there will be sex scenes in the three first chapters, that, imo, will be unreal, and he is aiming for immersion. But the thing is, the whole season must have a sex scene, not with penetration, okay, I'm good with that, but at some point of the whole season Nika needs to, don't know, finger someone, lick someone, or even we could have a scene were Nika tries to have an actual fun but he can't finish for his mental state. I could be good with it too if the plot makes sense.
You are right, but you are missing the main problem - time. If you take any game like SG, you're introduced to the characters right from the start. Ocean's spread this introduction out over six years, and we still know nothing about most of the characters. Many developers manage to finish the game in that time.

In games like these, they need to keep the player engaged, create an engaging plot, and establish relationships with the characters they like that can lead to sex. If I'm not mistaken, the game will have 11 characters you can have sex with. Unfortunately, that's not possible at the current pace of development. Ocean simply doesn't have enough time in his life to do this. That's why people want to see sex scenes with the characters they like before the game is abandoned.
 

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That's why people want to see sex scenes with the characters they like before the game is abandoned.
Speaking of... Today marks 18 months since the last version update. That's the hard deadline for the Abandoned tag on F95. I wonder if this VN will get tagged like all other VNs that hit 18 months or whether it'll get special exemption from the rules. :KEK:
 

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This is an old discussion that started late last year when Ocean promised to release the game, just like he does now, but then broke his promise. I don't remember exactly why subscribers came to this conclusion; too much time has passed.

I can come up with at least three possible explanations for why subscribers think there won't be any sex in the update.
1. After numerous rewrites, Ocean doesn't know how to continue the story.
2. Ocean is cowardly and afraid of being banned from Steam, even though sex is not prohibited there, unlike incest. Incidentally, Ocean began to be accused of cowardice after the censorship of Season 1. Few believed the excuses about expanding the audience, because it's stupid to censor a game for an audience that doesn't have money.
3. Ocean was asked on Discord if there would be sex in the update, but he ignored all these questions.
Look, while I think concerns you listed about no sex in the upcoming season are valid (although I think it's likely to happen), that is very different from Ocean explicitly saying that the entire next season would be 16+, which is what you said. Considering the source of that is supposed to be Ocean himself, this cant be too difficult to find.

16+ rating means no explicit sexual activity at all in the whole season, not even a handjob. Although we all know what Ocean is like, I think that's very unlikely to happen. And fwiw, even if it was well over a year ago, he has said on discord that S2 will be 18+. I believe that's better indication than conjecture by jaded subscribers and forum users.

Regarding the points you listed:
1.) Even so, it's not like sex scenes rely particularly on the story. If he wants to insert them, he easily could.
2.) He has released WiaB on Steam, which contains explicit sex scenes.
3.) I'm sure he considers that as spoilers.
 

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also steam sucks now especially with being forced to use credit card to even see AO games, so Ocean should stay away from steam and use sites like GOG who doesnt care about incest or age restrictions
 
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also steam sucks now especially with being forced to use credit card to even see AO games, so Ocean should stay away from steam and use sites like GOG who doesnt care about incest or age restrictions
That's incredibly dumb. Steam is the largest games platform on PC; to willfully leave it would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Also, the credit card thing is something required by some countries' laws. You don't need a CC to see them in the U.S. or many other countries, so go blame your government.
 

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That's incredibly dumb. Steam is the largest games platform on PC; to willfully leave it would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Also, the credit card thing is something required by some countries' laws. You don't need a CC to see them in the U.S. or many other countries, so go blame your government.
Here in the UK, credit cards are just one of a number of options available - the law just requires an effective age verification - the government's own website says "Platforms are required to use secure methods like facial scans, photo ID and credit cards checks to verify the age of their users."

The decision to require credit cards rather than any other form of verification was all Valve...
 

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Here in the UK, credit cards are just one of a number of options available - the law just requires an effective age verification - the government's own website says "Platforms are required to use secure methods like facial scans, photo ID and credit cards checks to verify the age of their users."

The decision to require credit cards rather than any other form of verification was all Valve...
Do you really want Valve to store your facial scan or Photo ID? Those come with all sorts of risks and checks that Valve would need to put in place. It's far safer/easier for Valve and you to use the credit card method. Once again, stop trying to blame Valve for your country's fucked up lawmakers.

“Among all age assurance mechanisms reviewed by Valve, this process preserves the maximum degree of user privacy,” says Valve in a support article. “Having the credit card stored as a payment method acts as an additional deterrent against circumventing age verification by sharing a single Steam user account among multiple persons.”
 

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Do you really want Valve to store your facial scan or Photo ID? Those come with all sorts of risks and checks that Valve would need to put in place. It's far safer/easier for Valve and you to use the credit card method. Once again, stop trying to blame Valve for your country's fucked up lawmakers.
Valve shouldn't need to store my facial scan nor photo ID, nor my credit card details - in fact, official advice is that they shouldn't store the age verification data, just the fact that age has been verified (possibly by a third party site).

As for their reasoning that requiring a credit card should prevent age bypass by sharing account details, we had the ability ot bypass age checks by borrowing a parent's credit card (or other "responsible" adult's card) when I was growing up in the 80s, and I don't think anything has changed to prevent it since... Any "prove there's an adult attached to the account" scheme has the same limitation - underage people can access the account if the adult lets them.
 

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Look, while I think concerns you listed about no sex in the upcoming season are valid (although I think it's likely to happen), that is very different from Ocean explicitly saying that the entire next season would be 16+, which is what you said.
To be honest, I listed the secondary reasons and didn't include the main one, so as not to start another argument. I won't describe the entire situation, but I'll just give a couple of examples so you understand the essence of the problem that arose among Ocean's subscribers.

Our world is structured in such a way that its most valuable resource is time. Any production is limited by time, even creating renders. Let's take a carpenter who has received an order, for example. He calculates how long it will take him to complete the order (let's say five days), adds a couple more days for unforeseen circumstances, and ultimately tells the client that he'll complete the order in a week. What happens if the carpenter doesn't complete the order within the agreed-upon time? He'll lose money, but most importantly, he'll lose his reputation, and therefore his clients. To preserve his reputation, it's common to offer discounts to clients as an apology.

Now, back to Ocean and his game. When he said he'd finish the game by the end of the year, it means he was sitting there calculating how long it would take him to complete his update. As we all know, he didn't do it. Even if someone had problems, it would be fine if the update came out a week or two later, or a month at most. It's already been over a year. How was Ocean supposed to time his work to delay it by more than a year? What were the reasons for the update's delay for such a long time? Ocean can't answer that.
Let's sum it up. Tell me, after all this, do you think sponsors will treat Ocean like a cool guy or like a scammer milking them? Does Ocean's actions inspire confidence in his sponsors, or does he make them doubt the successful completion of even Season 2?
 
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Valve shouldn't need to store my facial scan nor photo ID, nor my credit card details - in fact, official advice is that they shouldn't store the age verification data, just the fact that age has been verified (possibly by a third party site).

As for their reasoning that requiring a credit card should prevent age bypass by sharing account details, we had the ability ot bypass age checks by borrowing a parent's credit card (or other "responsible" adult's card) when I was growing up in the 80s, and I don't think anything has changed to prevent it since... Any "prove there's an adult attached to the account" scheme has the same limitation - underage people can access the account if the adult lets them.
Yeah, using a third party "age verification service" is even worse. Credit card is clearly the easiest way to implement such a verification, since it requires no additional systems or subcontractors and is easily verifiable later, as well.
 
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