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[Mamaragan]

You missed where I mentioned, in this scenario, Mario saw a blonde and a guy in the security camera, and remembered MIla with a dude that looked similar the previous day. Sure it requires police collusion or bad policing to take Mario's word for the whole truth, but it's a pretty plausible scenario - the rich home owner points to the child of a prostitute and says she did it, here' the blurry footage, I had a run in with them the other day.

Or he sees Nika clearly, but doesn't know who he is but remembers Mila was with him, and sees an out of focus blonde in dark clothes.

Your theory still involves police corruption. And I still think it's strange to arrest Mila just to get Nika. Bella and Mila don't even have the same body shape. It's too convoluted just to get one guy. The cam is not blurry. I told you Bella and Nika appear in front of it in a sufficiently lit location. It's either they are on it or they aren't imo

 

[BobTheDuck]

Your theory still involves police corruption. And I still think it's strange to arrest Mila just to get Nika. Bella and Mila don't even have the same body shape. It's too convoluted just to get one guy. The cam is not blurry. I told you Bella and Nika appear in front of it in a sufficiently lit location. It's either they are on it or they aren't imo

Depends how well the camera works to be honest. Sure they can afford good ones, but not everyone bothers, just relying on the deterence. And it doesn't rely on police corruption any more than any kind of profiling does.

All I'm suggesting is that it provides an alternative to complex cloak and dagger approaches. It's food for thought, not the truth of the situation.

Invariably, Ocean comes up with something completely different anyway, and everything was a red herring of misdirection.

 

[Maccabbee]

Your theory still involves police corruption. And I still think it's strange to arrest Mila just to get Nika. Bella and Mila don't even have the same body shape. It's too convoluted just to get one guy. The cam is not blurry. I told you Bella and Nika appear in front of it in a sufficiently lit location. It's either they are on it or they aren't imo

It's more likely that they go after Mila as a poor person that doesn't matter and can't defend herself. They get the insurance money, and can go after the actual culprits on their own.

 

[Mamaragan]

All I'm suggesting is that it provides an alternative to complex cloak and dagger approaches. It's food for thought, not the truth of the situation.

Eh. I just think Mario needed to blame someone for the theft, and Mila is the best bet. She comes from a broken family, poor, so she might have a motivation to steal the heirloom and the 10k. Mario also tried his chance with her, and she refused him, so he might be salty about it. We know the police are corrupt, I mean, just knowing Ceril's sister is with them is enough to know they are not angels.

In other word, Mario needed someone to take the blame for the insult, and Mila was perfect for it.

 

[Mamaragan]

It's more likely that they go after Mila as a poor person that doesn't matter and can't defend herself. They get the insurance money, and can go after the actual culprits on their own.

Rich people don't need to accuse someone to get insurance money. If they aren't stupid, they already insured the important stuff.

 

[Maccabbee]

Eh. I just think Mario needed to blame someone for the theft, and Mila is the best bet. She comes from a broken family, poor, so she might have a motivation to steal the heirloom and the 10k. Mario also tried his chance with her, and she refused him, so he might be salty about it. We know the police are corrupt, I mean, just knowing Ceril's sister is with them is enough to know they are not angels.

In other word, Mario needed someone to take the blame for the insult, and Mila was perfect for it.

Rich people don't need to accuse someone to get insurance money. If they aren't stupid, they already insured the important stuff.

OK, these two seem to contradict each other.

Crime victims don't have to pick suspects, police investigate and find suspects themselves. Nobody gets to define the scope of a police investigation, especially not victims who are inherently suspects themselves (insurance fraud is very common).

Blaming Mila (which doesn't make sense) would get a scapegoat to blame, take any suspicion of fraud down, and some insurance companies don't pay until the case is closed, because of insurance fraud. Heck, most big insurance companies have their own investigators.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Eh. I just think Mario needed to blame someone for the theft, and Mila is the best bet. She comes from a broken family, poor, so she might have a motivation to steal the heirloom and the 10k. Mario also tried his chance with her, and she refused him, so he might be salty about it. We know the police are corrupt, I mean, just knowing Ceril's sister is with them is enough to know they are not angels.

In other word, Mario needed someone to take the blame for the insult, and Mila was perfect for it.

We don't even know Ceril is corrupt, just that she's vicious and has a hard on for Bella, and has a fucked up sister. There's as many questions and leaps of faith with this line of thinking as any other. We really won't know from the current game.

But yes, profiling is certainly a plausible explanation.

Reason I mention the quality of the cameras - how low is the frame rate? Some people set their systems to record low frame rate to reduce the amount of storage: the live stream can be clear, but the playback might miss the moment their faces are turned to the camera.

We'll find out as the story develops. I'm just interested in the possibility that Mario and Stefan have no ulterior motives. So far it seems like there's a plausible way where Bella's just imagining things about the Holgerson's based even less evidence.

 

[Crashbullet]

Mario also tried his chance with her, and she refused him, so he might be salty about it.

In my opinion, this is the base, he is the one who knew Mila, who had a grudge against her, and he is just an asshole who is asserting himself.

 

[Mamaragan]

OK, these two seem to contradict each other.

It doesn't. My point was Mario accused Mila because his dad was pissed their heirloom was stolen right under his nose. And since Mario doesn't want to disappoint daddy, he found a perpetrator to take the blame.

Crime victims don't have to pick suspects, police investigate and find suspects themselves. Nobody gets to define the scope of a police investigation, especially not victims who are inherently suspects themselves (insurance fraud is very common).

Unless police are corrupt. Which we know is not unreasonable considering what we know.
We are not talking about suspects or witnesses here. Mila HAS been charged. You need proof to charge and prosecute someone. What evidence do the police have to arrest and charge Mila? A maybe blurred camera?

Blaming Mila (which doesn't make sense) would get a scapegoat to blame, take any suspicion of fraud down, and some insurance companies don't pay until the case is closed, because of insurance fraud. Heck, most big insurance companies have their own investigators.

You assume an extremely rich and well established family would resort to accusing someone to escape suspicion of fraud. In the first place they wouldn't even be suspected by their insurance because of who they are. The insurance might investigate, but they won't find fraud. They don't need to go and accuse Mila just for that. Especially since there's no proof she did something.

 

[Maccabbee]

It doesn't. My point was Mario accused Mila because his dad was pissed their heirloom was stolen right under his nose. And since Mario doesn't want to disappoint daddy, he found a perpetrator to take the blame.



Unless police are corrupt. Which we know is not unreasonable considering what we know.
We are not talking about suspects or witnesses here. Mila HAS been charged. You need proof to charge and prosecute someone. What evidence do the police have to arrest and charge Mila? A maybe blurred camera?



You assume an extremely rich and well established family would resort to accusing someone to escape suspicion of fraud. In the first place they wouldn't even be suspected by their insurance because of who they are. The insurance might investigate, but they won't find fraud. They don't need to go and accuse Mila just for that. Especially since there's no proof she did something.

This discussion has gone on at length about how the Holgersons are probably shady af. What makes you assume the insurance company wouldn't suspect them because "of who they are"? Again, that is contradicting yourself, again.

Mario has fuck all to do with the police or the investigation. There's no current evidence of the security cameras being on, so there's nothing coming from the Holgersons as far as evidence goes. One would think they would check for fingerprints, but that wouldn't have let to Mila, either. Ocean's got something going on, and we hopefully will find out what in the next update.

 

[Mamaragan]

This discussion has gone on at length about how the Holgersons are probably shady af. What makes you assume the insurance company wouldn't suspect them because "of who they are"? Again, that is contradicting yourself, again.

You don't know that. What makes you assume the insurance company would suspect them because of "who they are"?
Surely, a rich, experimented man would make sure to take the best insurance company money can buy.
No clue why You are focused on “insurance company” and shit when my argument from the beginning was Mila was accused of theft by Mario because he's a petty brat who wanted a scapegoat to take responsibility for having his family heirloom stolen right under his nose.

Mario has fuck all to do with the police or the investigation.

You don't know that. Only Mario knew Mila, and barely a day passed before she was charged. Go on and tell me how is it possible.

 

[Maccabbee]

You don't know that. What makes you assume the insurance company would suspect them because of "who they are"?
Surely, a rich, experimented man would make sure to take the best insurance company money can buy.
No clue why You are focused on “insurance company” and shit when my argument from the beginning was Mila was accused of theft by Mario because he's a petty brat who wanted a scapegoat to take responsibility for having his family heirloom stolen right under his nose.



You don't know that. Only Mario knew Mila, and barely a day passed before she was charged. Go on and tell me how is it possible.

So Stefan's kid is the power behind the throne, and can tell the police to charge and arrest an innocent girl? Are you fucking high?

 

[X2JZcf]

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So Stefan's kid is the power behind the throne, and can tell the police to charge and arrest an innocent girl? Are you fucking high?

Fucking Monica

 

[Maccabbee]

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Fucking Monica

Hey, I like Mon, she seems pretty legit and uncorrupted (yet), and let's face it: she's got plenty of good reasons to be salty.

 

[Turret]

I really appreciate that you shared this.



Nah, Nika loses, because he doesn't cum. If he doesn't shoot, he doesn't score. The games not edgy enough to hav an edging comp. Shots fired is much more appropraite for Zara, she wants to rack up a total!



If we're happy with the idea of Bella lying, we can be happy with the idea of Stefan lying. If we believe Stefan is a bad person, then lying is not an issue. THe simplest thing is that he is willing to charge Mila, without evidence, and the police take his word (as he is the house owner filing the report). Regardless of the complexities of his character, he is playing a game, or allowing other people to play a game through him.

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Nah, stay on target! Even if it's Vanessa manipulating them (the way she knows Mila like a slasher stalker or FBI agent) means there is SOMETHING going on. And Stefan as the home owner would be the one who filed the police report, it's his heirloom that was stolen. So Stefan's pulled Mila's name from someone's suggestion and is willing to suggest it? Normally home owners don't get to say who the burglar is, normally the police do. So if Mila's being targeted, there can be corrupt police, or Ceril is after Mila for some other reason.

In any case, Stefan's happy to accuse Mila without any evidence, which makes him have a 'guilty until proven innocent' mindframe, which suggests he's not a nice person. The presumption of innocence is certainly the normal way to be, not to have a suspect with no evidence.

Or...... wait ....hold on, Mario saw Mila (blonde) with Nika. What if the camera saw a blonde with Nika leaving? It's the night of the day after, Nika and Mila would be fresh in Mario's mind...

Hmmmm. I'll leave all the other conjecture as is, but this is interesting. And this might actually be why Vanessa is testing Nika so much, she's suspicious of him, and now Nika night be connected to Bella... Vanessa's possibly just being an amateur detective, looking out to see if her dad's making a mistake getting involved with the wrong sort of people.



Edit: Whoops, sorry Mamaragan I meant to reply to you as well - you forgot the time for animations. Snimations are a whole lot more pain, and it depends if Ocean will do a cinematic for the start of the new season, or get the first chapter out, and think up an animation while he's doing S2Ch2.

Thanks to WIAB, we know the police is corrupt and the Holgersons have a lot of power it seems, or, at least, they may have a debt to collect from some officer that falsified the report for them. So it's not farfetched to think that.

And even if not, Why accuse Mila? Because she's blonde? That's weak, don't you think? They charged her for the theft. So even in that situation, it ought to have corruption somewhere. Even Bella was surprised how fast they condemned Mila.

That why I had a more complicated scenario involving shenanigans in the spoiler. But the simple idea that Mario remembered Mila with a hobo guy and two nights later a blond and someone with dark hair like the hobo guy are seen in the shitty quality security footage of the cameras that are 'off' according to Bella.

All theories we have on this are conjecture, we simply don't know. In WiaB, Stefan is the most innocent character we've seen. Even Gefritzel is more corrupt than Stefan. Oh dang. Lucas might also be as innocent right now

Hi!
Unlike Mario, Bella only dislikes Daddy Holgerson because he is a married letch who has an eye on Amber. (Actually good for him, unlike some characters in WIAB and SG he appreciates class women)
We know Nils, äh, Stefan and Zoey Holgerson from WIAB and SG. In WIAB Stefan was an innocent nice guy, wanting to save the paper family business. Going by info bits from SG, the Holgerson siblings are still tight to this day and I assume that over 4 decades of living close with Zoey, our resident wild free spirit, has rubbed off on Stefan, making him partly the guy he is today.
It is just a theory of mine, but I am pretty certain Stefan´s wife is most probably one of Zoey´s friends with a similar loose amoral stance as her. Bella in her youthful life might be scandalised that Stefan is married and still on the prowl, but it is not wrong to theorise that Stefan today has probably an open marriage.
If incest would still be part of the two games I would not be surprised if Zoey and Stefan did it together. Zoey has zero problems with this. In old WIAB, if Willi admits that he still has feelings for Leia and want to repair their relationship, Zoey does not oly cheerlead him to do so but also encourages Willi to bang Leia at first opportunity.
The "i"-theme will never be in WIAB or SG again, but Zoey´s characterisation has not changed. she is a wild one and a free spirit and this has rubbed off on Stefan.
The Holgersons are pretty loaded, so the siblings were successful in saving the paper business and branched out, Zoey Porn and escort clubs, Stefan Fashion.

While Stefan might even recruit for Zoey and Leia, I think he is innocent on the Mila business. Unless Stefan plays an oscar-ripe role, he is simply interested in getting his trophy back again and he does not even know Mila. I estimate Mario wanted to save his hide, since Bella nad Nika stole it when he was in the house, so he told his Dad it was Mila, since she is poor and dislikes him.

 

[Krytax123]

Hey, I like Mon, she seems pretty legit and uncorrupted (yet), and let's face it: she's got plenty of good reasons to be salty.

I agree, Mon is cool, and willy fucking her in front of her hubby after she became aware of hubby visiting leia's gloryholes will be a great scene, shes gonna get it out of her system

 

[BobTheDuck]

but I am pretty certain Stefan´s wife is most probably one of Zoey´s friends with a similar loose amoral stance as her.

d "Is the blonde one his wife?"
scene ab40 with dssa
b "No. His wife isn't the most outgoing person."

I'm not sure how you get the idea that his wife is loose and amoral when she's not outgoing. Someone who doesn't socialise is unlikely to be a loose woman. More likely Stefan has a wandering eye, because his wife is antisocial.

Unlike Mario, Bella only dislikes Daddy Holgerson because he is a married letch who has an eye on Amber.

Where do we find out Mario dislikes Stefan? The only things Mario ever says are to Siegbert.

The reason for this discussion is because Bella is untrustworthy in her characterisations, and actions. She looks in confidential records, she's a thief, and has a tendency to do hit and runs, violence, break an innocent person (Brenda) down emotionally, whatever gets her ahead... If she's wrong about the cameras being off, if she's wrong about Stefan's motivations... it's pretty good misdirection from Ocean, who has made players sympathetic to her and give her a free pass for her levels of general poor behaviour.

 

[Maccabbee]

d "Is the blonde one his wife?"
scene ab40 with dssa
b "No. His wife isn't the most outgoing person."

I'm not sure how you get the idea that his wife is loose and amoral when she's not outgoing. Someone who doesn't socialise is unlikely to be a loose woman. More likely Stefan has a wandering eye, because his wife is antisocial.
behaviour.

I totally agree with this. Maybe he married Leia?

Where do we find out Mario dislikes Stefan? The only things Mario ever says are to Siegbert.

The reason for this discussion is because Bella is untrustworthy in her characterisations, and actions. She looks in confidential records, she's a thief, and has a tendency to do hit and runs, violence, break an innocent person (Brenda) down emotionally, whatever gets her ahead... If she's wrong about the cameras being off, if she's wrong about Stefan's motivations... it's pretty good misdirection from Ocean, who has made players sympathetic to her and give her a free pass for her levels of general poor behaviour.

You're defending Mario because he's a fellow gooner, aren't you? The Holgersons are obviously in a Satanic cult, because Siegbert is the anti-fucking-christ! Hilarious scene!

 

[Turret]

Where do we find out Mario dislikes Stefan? The only things Mario ever says are to Siegbert.

You seem to misunderstand, I meant Bella dislikes Stefan just for him being a letch. Mario she hates.

I'm not sure how you get the idea that his wife is loose and amoral when she's not outgoing. Someone who doesn't socialise is unlikely to be a loose woman. More likely Stefan has a wandering eye, because his wife is antisocial.

That is info we only get from Bella, who has not the best record when it comes to this, her likes and dislikes influence it. You are mistaken if you believe being outgoing or not has a massive effect on how that persons morals are! I have seen near-hermits who when they let loose at home or go out went full party, hands up to the heavens! And I have seen party lions, out more often than home, who outside partying are near reclusive.
I think it is more likely that Stefan´s wife is a friend of Zoey, since these two are still close.

 

[Krytax123]

I totally agree with this. Maybe he married Leia?

I would consider Leia pretty outgoing considering her (possible) hands on buisness in the club

If it would really be her ... i would suspect Stefan having to wear the same model of chastity cage as his son, not much straying possible like that