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[BobTheDuck]

You seem to misunderstand, I meant Bella dislikes Stefan just for him being a letch. Mario she hates.

That is info we only get from Bella, who has not the best record when it comes to this, her likes and dislikes influence it. You are mistaken if you believe being outgoing or not has a massive effect on how that persons morals are! I have seen near-hermits who when they let loose at home or go out went full party, hands up to the heavens! And I have seen party lions, out more often than home, who outside partying are near reclusive.
I think it is more likely that Stefan´s wife is a friend of Zoey, since these two are still close.

Ah, it was not clear the way you wrote it. Her focus is on Stefan though.

b "Because I hate them. Mario is a little bitch and his father lusts after my mother."

The damage to Mario was vandalism, while she steals the heirloom from Stefan. And she keeps going on about Stefan. I think She dislikes Mario and loathes Stefan for the way he looks at her mother. Mario is left out of the equation pretty much after the car, and the focus is on Stefan.

And sure, we only have that info from Bella, but it's the ONLY info we have about Stefan's wife. We don't know what kind of person she is at all. Maybe she was that first girl Stefan hits it off with at Leia's club, maybe someone later (not much later considering Mario's age). I'd rather build ideas on characters I've at least seen, and have dialogue though.

I totally agree with this. Maybe he married Leia?



You're defending Mario because he's a fellow gooner, aren't you? The Holgersons are obviously in a Satanic cult, because Siegbert is the anti-fucking-christ! Hilarious scene!

Nah, I just notice that people believe a character with a rack who shows themselves to be a criminal, simply because of the rack. That's definitely gooner logic.

Nah, Zoey obviously wears the pants in that generation. Especially when she isn't wearing any.




Hey, I'm having fun thinking about it, though, and yeah, I was thinking a cover marriage, or takeover of the Holgersons' businesses. Zoey and Stefan were pretty tight with William, so maybe they were peripherally friendly? Zoey was obviously younger, and much more than friends with Katie.

Why would Leia take over the HOlgerson's business? Zoey would have to pay the loan off, and she's tied to Leia in business already.

z "Leia?"
scene af319 with dssa
kat "Do we count Leia to our circle?"

So Zoey thinks of Leia in friendlier terms than Kata does.

 

[Turret]

Zoey and Stefan were pretty tight with William, so maybe they were peripherally friendly? Zoey was obviously younger, and much more than friends with Katie.

No matter the version of WIAB, the Holgerson siblings were among the very few friends Willi, Leia and Kati had. They are pretty tight with all three still even in SG times, which is quite a feat.

The damage to Mario was vandalism, while she steals the heirloom from Stefan. And she keeps going on about Stefan. I think She dislikes Mario and loathes Stefan for the way he looks at her mother. Mario is left out of the equation pretty much after the car, and the focus is on Stefan.

Depends, accusing someone of pedophilia is harsher than simple theft due to dislike. Bella is on Stefan due to his interest in Amber, that is the singular reason of her loathing when it comes to him.
When it comes to Mario, Bella has multiple reasons why she loaths him.

And sure, we only have that info from Bella, but it's the ONLY info we have about Stefan's wife. We don't know what kind of person she is at all. Maybe she was that first girl Stefan hits it off with at Leia's club, maybe someone later (not much later considering Mario's age). I'd rather build ideas on characters I've at least seen, and have dialogue though.

Bella´s info is dubious due to her likes and dislikes colouring it. Maybe his wife is the girl from Leia´s culb, but that would also reinforce my theory that Stefan´s wife has a relaxed stance on morals unlike what Bella might believe. And in addition, Zoey and Stefan are not only good friends of Kati and Willi, but also Leia, so the girl Stefan married was/is in Zoey´s orbit no matter what.

 

[BobTheDuck]

No matter the version of WIAB, the Holgerson siblings were among the very few friends Willi, Leia and Kati had. They are pretty tight with all three still even in SG times, which is quite a feat.

Depends, accusing someone of pedophilia is harsher than simple theft due to dislike. Bella is on Stefan due to his interest in Amber, that is the singular reason of her loathing when it comes to him.
When it comes to Mario, Bella has multiple reasons why she loaths him.

Bella´s info is dubious due to her likes and dislikes colouring it. Maybe his wife is the girl from Leia´s culb, but that would also reinforce my theory that Stefan´s wife has a relaxed stance on morals unlike what Bella might believe. And in addition, Zoey and Stefan are not only good friends of Kati and Willi, but also Leia, so the girl Stefan married was/is in Zoey´s orbit no matter what.

We assume they're still friends, but keep in mind Stefan is meeting with people from rival colleges, and sends his son to a rival college from the ones the Zanes run. Dos Zoey remain Katie's gf? Unknown. Maybe there is a falling out over something, or over the way Leia handled the loan. We're only just discovering these people's backgrounds in WiaB, so it's early to tell. We don't know that they are tight in SG times.

Multiple reasons? She just says she disliked him and calls him the most offensive thing she can. Again, without proof. Older versions showed Bella just threw the term around. We can see she tramples on people's feelings to achieve her goals with Brenda - why would this be any different? I'm not sure there's anything in the game where she says what Mario has done, but she's very clear about what Stefan is trying to do (inher opinion).

The girl from the club I was thinking of wasn't Kalani (who William asked to make sure Stefan had a good time), but the stranger/ who was eyeing him off.

She's obviously out and about, so if she becomes a recluse in the future, it could be that some kind of trauma made her feel unsafe. In 20 years people change in any case. Stefan's no longer the charming innocent he was in WiaB, so she might be a recluse. We just have to wait to see what Ocean's decided.

 

[Crashbullet]

In my opinion, you have "hidden meaning search syndrome" - you tell each other the same thing. Although there was no new input data)

 

[Turret]

We assume they're still friends, but keep in mind Stefan is meeting with people from rival colleges, and sends his son to a rival college from the ones the Zanes run. Dos Zoey remain Katie's gf? Unknown. Maybe there is a falling out over something, or over the way Leia handled the loan. We're only just discovering these people's backgrounds in WiaB, so it's early to tell. We don't know that they are tight in SG times.

Compared to some "operations" run by the Zanes and Holgersons, Stefan is head honcho of the least criminal ones. Meeting with people from other possible customers/clients is simply good business. you also underestimate that ZPR has only recently started to pump money into the school. The new pub, the new departments and locations of the college are done with money from ZPR and given how new they are, ZPR´s sponsorship cannot be older than 2 years. So it is not surprising that a number of characters of SG are enrolled at the other prestigious college of the city.
There are no hints of a falling out.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Compared to some "operations" run by the Zanes and Holgersons, Stefan is head honcho of the least criminal ones. Meeting with people from other possible customers/clients is simply good business. you also underestimate that ZPR has only recently started to pump money into the school. The new pub, the new departments and locations of the college are done with money from ZPR and given how new they are, ZPR´s sponsorship cannot be older than 2 years. So it is not surprising that a number of characters of SG are enrolled at the other prestigious college of the city.
There are no hints of a falling out.

Also, don't forget that Katie herself is an alumni of J&S.

 

[LHDLLB]

Compared to some "operations" run by the Zanes and Holgersons, Stefan is head honcho of the least criminal ones. Meeting with people from other possible customers/clients is simply good business. you also underestimate that ZPR has only recently started to pump money into the school. The new pub, the new departments and locations of the college are done with money from ZPR and given how new they are, ZPR´s sponsorship cannot be older than 2 years. So it is not surprising that a number of characters of SG are enrolled at the other prestigious college of the city.
There are no hints of a falling out.

This is something that got me thinking too. By William deal, Katie will be doing Leia's outfit for 5 years, this could mean that they create ZPR in the next 5 years, with goes against information give in SG. That is easily explain by Leia liking Katie work and keep working with her, we know that Leia dosen't hate Katie. William also has expressed desire to have a college in his talk with Gina. William and Zoey also appears to be the ones behind Vênus.

Going by SG then what are the Zanes bunisess ? High education and sex ? What I am curious about is, who is the Zane in the ZPR ? And how and why a mafia famíly funds a college ? Social and political points ? altruism? In the topic of Colleges, does we know the name of it ? I mean I know it is called ZPR, but the institution is older than the Zanes acquiring it, só do they have it for a while and only now are investing in it or does the owrnership of it is recent ?

Stefan seems to be the character that suffered more changes in those 20 -30 years, that is something I also am curious about.

 

[Razrback16]

^ Ya lots of interesting bits - I am curious who Amber's husband is / was. I assume he's alive and may be a future antagonist for the MC on Amber's route.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

we know that Leia dosen't hate Katie

It's quite borderline she still wants to see her on her knees giving blowjobs in her club

 

[LHDLLB]

It's quite borderline she still wants to see her on her knees giving blowjobs in her club

Well, I never said she liked her either. I think is fair to say that they have a complicade relantioship, Leia is not trying to fuck Katie over but also is not helping.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Leia is not trying to fuck Katie

That's William's job.

 

[LHDLLB]

That's William's job.

I will fuck Leia first but eventually I will fuck the fish too

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I will fuck Leia first but eventually I will fuck the fish too

Outrageous!

...This probably disqualifies 96% of the cast

 

[Crashbullet]

I will fuck Leia first but eventually I will fuck the fish too

Or not, if it is proven that they lived under the same roof for several years.

 

[Maccabbee]

Well, I never said she liked her either. I think is fair to say that they have a complicade relantioship, Leia is not trying to fuck Katie over but also is not helping.

Actually, she is helping Katie (in her way). She's trying to teach Katie self-reliance (you can get this via conversation with her). She thinks Katie is too soft for their world.

 

[Ahx]

That's William's job.

Nope. That's Dylan's job.
What? Suddenly everyone's against incest?

 

[LHDLLB]

Outrageous!
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...This probably disqualifies 96% of the cast

Actually, she is helping Katie (in her way). She's trying to teach Katie self-reliance (you can get this via conversation with her). She thinks Katie is too soft for their world.

I know but there are ways and ways. I find hard to argue that Leia is in fact helping Katie if she dosen't even talk to her, one thing is teaching self reliance other is let one to fend for themselves. I love Leia but I have not missconceptions about her character.

 

[Dingolingo]

It's quite borderline she still wants to see her on her knees giving blowjobs in her club

that'd be fucking hot, putting that little cunt in her place. hell i'd pay for that.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

that'd be fucking hot, putting that little cunt in her place. hell i'd pay for that.

 

[Maccabbee]

I know but there are ways and ways. I find hard to argue that Leia is in fact helping Katie if she dosen't even talk to her, one thing is teaching self reliance other is let one to fend for themselves. I love Leia but I have not missconceptions about her character.

I did say "in her way," that doesn't make her right. Y'all demonize Leia so much that you refuse to see the not-quite-as-bad sides of her!