Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[PatreonTed]

They clearly didn't look hard enough, and I wouldn't be surprised. Also, patreon is far from being reliable, it's just popular. The whole thing can shut down at any moment, that wouldn't be reliable at all.

What options did they miss? And what makes you say the whole thing could be shut down at any moment?

 

[Roding]

DC is writing the scenes differently making the process of adding the incest back in a patch much more difficult.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Snugglepuff]

It depends on how we interpret incest?

No, it really doesn't.

Is the triangle between MC, Eve and Grace is incest?
And between MC, Mia and Helen is incest?
There are many possibilities.

There's not many possibilities.
If they're not having sex with each other, and only having sex with the MC, then they are not engaged in any sort of incestuous relationship.

If we start getting Mia & Helen having sex with each other, then it would be incest... until they're changed to no longer being related in any way. The same with any currently "official" families and family members in-game.

As a player, I expect that I will have the opportunity to incur to bed at the same time every mother-daughter or sister-sister.

Why?
Not happy at having to choose between Mia or Helen?

Also, do not forget that we only know part of the MC family.

Also don't forget Roxy's mother and cousin...

 

[Krull]

Fan Sig:

link:

https://attachments.f95zone.com/2019/02/254998_sts-fan2.gif

 

[Barkin 10]

I'm waiting for progress with the girl from the mall. For some reason her not being overly attractive is a real turn on.

 

[rongngoc123]

I'm waiting for progress with the girl from the mall. For some reason her not being overly attractive is a real turn on.

Me too. I dont like perfect body girls in SS.

 

[Ungawa]

*sees the drama*

Oi vey...

*Mia*

I've always said she has the greatest potential since the Helen update gave her a dark and light path. I sure hope that comes out with her update. We'll see what happens.

 

[Fullcrum]

That is, frankly spoken, bullshit. First, because there are no such scenes in the game, and second, c'mon, seriously?

You named Roxxy the first non-incest character, and that's simply wrong.

Yes. At the moment there are no such scenes, but it is certainly a place where there can be more incestuous content.

I did not say anything about Roxy.

 

[Genji]

so the update will be out in June right?

 

[j4yj4m]

so the update will be out in June right?

Well, they basically only started really working on 0.18 in early january, so mid to late march seems realistic.

 

[Fullcrum]

Why?
Not happy at having to choose between Mia or Helen?

Yes. I'm not happy. Not because I necessarily want to have everything in one go, but because the choice made in the way it is is now pointless. Mia did not catch MC and Helen in an unambiguous situation, so she has no right to know about this relationship. Helen, in turn, participates in some ritual and does not see it as a relationship / romance, so it is not in a situation where she could set such conditions.

Most importantly, however, the way DarkCookie builds the game and the character of MC, makes making such choices illogical when the choice is made between family members. Why? Because this choice leads to a conflict on the Helen - Mia line. Of course, it can be argued that this does not lead to a conflict, but then the story loses its credibility. And credibility is crucial to how high scores the game will collect as a whole.
Maybe many people do not think about it, but such things affect the reception of the game.

Such a choice may also suggest that MC is the reason why the Mia family is falling apart. And DarkCookie tries to introduce MC as a nice, friendly and helpful young man. It is much better to remove the selection here and create it in a place where it does not lead to such problems.

 

[Arap12]

yesterday at the stream we would have gotten our chance to see the first glimpse of redesigned mia but people voted for jenny in a bikini of course

maybe it's happening today, i wonder how big her changes are going to be

Picture?

 

[Snugglepuff]

Yes. I'm not happy. Not because I necessarily want to have everything in one go, but because the choice made in the way it is is now pointless.

So, you'd be happy to only be able to choose one, or the other, if it was better implemented?

Such a choice may also suggest that MC is the reason why the Mia family is falling apart. And DarkCookie tries to introduce MC as a nice, friendly and helpful young man. It is much better to remove the selection here and create it in a place where it does not lead to such problems.

Except that as it stands it clearly is not, in any way whatsoever, anything to do with the MC's involvement.
They were already having problems before the MC gets involved. We see things when they're coming to a head, not the build up.

 

[Fullcrum]

So, you'd be happy to only be able to choose one, or the other, if it was better implemented?

If DarkCookie manages to do it in a reliable way, yes. Then the choice is acceptable.

Except that as it stands it clearly is not, in any way whatsoever, anything to do with the MC's involvement.
They were already having problems before the MC gets involved. We see things when they're coming to a head, not the build up.

Yes. But the choice between Helen and Mia suggests that one of them does not want a rival. To be reliable, at least one of them must be aware that MC is interested in the latter. If MC chooses the latter, the first one simply has to feel aversion to the other. That is, speaking directly MC will cause a split between mother and daughter.
And this is probably not what DarkCookie would like to see in his game.
It is much easier to come up with a reason why both of them accept that MC is related to both of them.

In my opinion, if DarkCookie gives the opportunity to fuck so many women, it must in any case create a reason why they will all accept that they are one of many women in the life of MC.

I think this reason will have something to do with fertility / infertility since most women will have the opportunity to get pregnant with MC.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Yes. But the choice between Helen and Mia suggests that one of them does not want a rival. To be reliable, at least one of them must be aware that MC is interested in the latter. If MC chooses the latter, the first one simply has to feel aversion to the other. That is, speaking directly MC will cause a split between mother and daughter.

That's got nothing to do with Mia's family and their problems though. That's all after the problems have reached their breaking point.

 

[RuinerNoir]

Agreed. All he'd really have to do is move Helen's scenes to meeting her somewhere else and the entire problem ends up solved as Mia would never find out and Helen isn't possessive of the MC. Even if she was, the MC is her 'Master' and can keep that in line. The father in that household basically is doing a separation and seeing his co-worker from the jail anyway.
Hell, continuing along with the (apparently already planned) Nun's route could easily allow for Helen to be moved to a currently unused location for the 'ritual'.

 

[j4yj4m]

Especially in Mia's story the choice makes a lot of sense. Mia obviously, despite all those troubles, loves her family and if MC fails to bring Helen and Harold together (driving Harold out of the house) and instead starts fucking her mom, of course she'd be angry and wouldn't start a relationship. On the contrary, if MC fixes her family she'll be happy and thankful. That's why the choice was/is so good, because it actually means something.

 

[endlust]

If DarkCookie manages to do it in a reliable way, yes. Then the choice is acceptable.





Yes. But the choice between Helen and Mia suggests that one of them does not want a rival. To be reliable, at least one of them must be aware that MC is interested in the latter. If MC chooses the latter, the first one simply has to feel aversion to the other. That is, speaking directly MC will cause a split between mother and daughter.
And this is probably not what DarkCookie would like to see in his game.
It is much easier to come up with a reason why both of them accept that MC is related to both of them.

In my opinion, if DarkCookie gives the opportunity to fuck so many women, it must in any case create a reason why they will all accept that they are one of many women in the life of MC.

I think this reason will have something to do with fertility / infertility since most women will have the opportunity to get pregnant with MC.

It sounds like you want a third option for the ending, not a rewrite. I don't see much wrong with DC's writing in regard to Mia's story-line. I thought he conveyed the point well and the choice was based around whether you kept the family together, which is what Mia wants, or let them split and MC took over as head of house.

Though a third option wouldn't be a bad idea to include when pregnancy is added. A way to have both shouldn't be too difficult to change but I feel it would require the MC to be less passive in regards to their story because Mia's want would have to change.

 

[Fullcrum]

Especially in Mia's story the choice makes a lot of sense. Mia obviously, despite all those troubles, loves her family and if MC fails to bring Helen and Harold together (driving Harold out of the house) and instead starts fucking her mom, of course she'd be angry and wouldn't start a relationship. On the contrary, if MC fixes her family she'll be happy and thankful. That's why the choice was/is so good, because it actually means something.

Unfortunately, in this version, the choice between Helen and Mia is pointless.
Since none of them knows at what stage is MC's knowledge of the latter, no one had a reason to ask MC to choose.
This would indicate that this choice was made by the MC on its own initiative.

And something like that is unbelievable when the same MC fucks a dozen other women.

The facts are that MC is presented not as an alpha male who walks and combines how to get to the panties of every woman he encounters, nor is he presented as an idealist who is looking for the one woman who will be his love, but as nice, calm and helpful boy from the neighborhood, who will help anyone who needs help thanks to which the taboos of graceful women spread legs in front of him, which he eagerly uses.
In this situation, the choice presented in this way as now is completely senseless and unbelievable.

I personally choose Mia just because Helen has undergone something like brainwashing and manipulated into a sexual relationship with MC under the guise of a religious rite. If, instead of having sex in a church with a rope tied to Helen, she was having sex in her own home with her conscious choice of sexual relations with MC, no doubt my choice would be on Helen every time.

 

[j4yj4m]

Unfortunately, in this version, the choice between Helen and Mia is pointless.
Since none of them knows at what stage is MC's knowledge of the latter, no one had a reason to ask MC to choose.
This would indicate that this choice was made by the MC on its own initiative.

Well, it's certainly implicated in that decision. If MC fucks Helen (which is the choice you make), Harold won't come back and Mia will be disappointed, because MC failed his promise to help her. So much is clear and I don't think that's pointless at all.

Else it's not really about MC, but about all other characters. The game gets somewhat boring if every girl/women - more so mothers and daughters - in the game is willing to share at will. That's neither realistic nor really that much fun. And sure, in the end it's not about realism but at least for me there are certain points where it gets harder to immerse.