Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[Lithionus6135]

I'm glad to hear that he's working 2 hours every 3 days on a game that earns him 70,000$ each month. It's encouraging, we might have new content in 2023 but I'm probably a bit too optimistic

Did you not read what he wrote? He said he streams every 2 or 3 days where he shows his current work for around 2 hours. So he takes time out of his development every couple days to showcase what he is doing for those that are interested. Basically, he works a lot. And takes time out of said work to showcase what he is doing for 2 to 3 hours every couple of days to his supporters.

But to be honest. If you are a 100% free player (meaning you have never supported the developer). You have 0 room to whine, complain and/or all together try to stretch your epeen while trying to be the 'cool cat' in town.

If you have at one point, given some $$ to support a developer. Then complain away, as you are an investor... at least on some level.

 

[LordMerek]

Whenever you put your work out for others, you have every right to criticize that work. Paying for an artist/ tipping the artist, does not give you a "RIGHT" to whine, nor does it do anything else than YOU giving money.

This form of entitlement in any way of form is plain stupid. All I had to say to you, and anyone else who thinks that way. Lmao "If you at one point given some money, you can complain".

Shut the hell up dude. Seriously. If you don't see how dumb that is, you have no right to think. That work for you? Fit into your rule-book?

I completely agree with you. I don't get the dude's argument that giving money is the only way one has a right to valid critiscm. That's some authoritarian bullshit right there. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion and entitled to give cristicm. In this case it's up to the developer whether he chooses to listen to the voices in his head people.

 

[hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Yes, DC is taking his sweet ass time to make this tech update and it's really frustrating to wait months for something so trivial. Though, I have to say, from looking at his Picarto, the team has been putting in some work for future content. So they are actually updating the game and adding new content. Ofc, they earn a ton of money and yes updates have slowed down tremendously, but really, I'd prefer a polished game that takes a while to develop than a rushed game that is buggy and broken.

Both sides of the argument are correct, don't get me wrong. As fans we expect DC to pump out work at a faster pace like HE SAID he'd do when he hired new members for his team. DC didn't quite live up to that so it's a huge disappointment to us fans, plus he's earning 4 to 5 figures a month, so..... yea he's sort of milking the situation. But on the other hand, he has documented all his progress on stream and is making an effort to enhance the game. Developing a game is hard, it isn't as simple as most people make it out to be. Coding is always the biggest pain and so as getting the artwork done. So amount of time needed for this particular type of update is sorta needed.

But what do I know, I'm just frustrated that the update takes so f-king long to make, but I also can understand why it takes so long.

 

[LordMerek]

thats not what i wrote read my sentence again. I said he is streaming around 2 hours to show what he is currently working on he sometimes also asks the viewers for opinions.

Edit: And does it matter if he earns 70k or nothing? At the end its his project and its independent work people should subscribe on patreon to support his work but not to expect that he is going to work more on his game.
However as I said in my previous post if people are unhappy with the current progression of the game story they can unsubscribe till the tech update is out after that they will push a lot of new content. People also don't know how hard it can be to rewrite a codebase especially if its not written by you and if he is redrawing most of the stuff he released since game release you can't expect to redraw an art collection since 5-6years to be done in 1 month

Well the good thing about the developer is he does consistently put out content on a schedule and it's rare that schedule isn't met. So while he definitely can put out more in an update, he probably adheres to the schedule to keep his current number of patrons high. So ethically a business model as opposed to a scam. Still kinda scummy, but legit.

 

[elstupidwolf]

Whenever you put your work out for others, you have every right to criticize that work. Paying for an artist/ tipping the artist, does not give you a "RIGHT" to whine, nor does it do anything else than YOU giving money.

This form of entitlement in any way of form is plain stupid. All I had to say to you, and anyone else who thinks that way. Lmao "If you at one point given some money, you can complain".

Shut the hell up dude. Seriously. If you don't see how dumb that is, you have no right to think. That work for you? Fit into your rule-book?

What?

So, you pay someone for a service/good & it takes forever but you can't complain?
That's... Not how life work

 

[LordMerek]

What?

So, you pay someone for a service/good & it takes forever but you can't complain?
That's... Not how life work

That's not what he was saying. He was saying EVERYONE should be able to complain, in response to the idiot misinformed interloper who said only people who donate to the patreon have a right to complain.

 

[elstupidwolf]

Oh my bad....
Yeah no, everybody should complain if it's justified..
Like here, it takes forever

 

[JustBang]

It's still easy to have that thought; another year and dark cookie is making more $$$ than me with 2D sex, I really gotta make a...

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Fuck, it's harder than I thought.

Well played DC

 

[LordMerek]

Oh my bad....
Yeah no, everybody should complain if it's justified..
Like here, it takes forever

I agree. Complaining for the sake of complaining shouldn't be a thing, but unfortunately here in this thread it's festered like a disease, or a swollen pimple. So it's hard to see who isn't pouring gasoline on the fire.

 

[JustBang]

And of course everyone has a right to criticism, Devs use feedback to improve

 

[LordMerek]

And of course everyone has a right to criticism, Devs use feedback to improve

Sure, but sometimes developers ignores even the most constructive of feedback. I have no idea if these developers are sinking that boat or not.

 

[JustBang]

Sure, but sometimes developers ignores even the most constructive of feedback. I have no idea if these developers are sinking that boat or not.

I think some devs view any intense critique of their work as a negative.

 

[LordMerek]

I think some devs view any intense critique of their work as a negative.

I guess. But that just means that those with legit critiscm don't get heard.

 

[Hero1]

So, you pay someone for a service/good & it takes forever but you can't complain?

There is no payment for a service or good. Nobody buys or rents or leases the game from DarkCookie. The game is free. Everybody gets access to it. The only slight caveat is that the paying patrons get the version about 24 hours earlier then anybody else. But it is exactly the same version. No "Patreon only" features or codes. No tier system like "Tier 3: get the newest version 3 months bevore everybody else" etc.
So you can't pay for the game. Which means no exchange of services or goods. The only thing you can do is donate money to DarkCookie to keep making the game.
Huge difference.

 

[aliscad]

Nice. 1/3 done, 3 more to go. I am only waiting for Judith then I am done. Considering only 3 more updates away, it's only about 2 more years. Great.

 

[aliscad]

updated OP with the info from @Milos post for ease of access

Of course... We are good religious people. Small boobs is a sin...

 

[Rowan Reins]

hey guys is your game acting strange when you use incest patch...like the background fades for a nanosecond and comes back

 

[PainKnight]

People have right to critic for game, this game gain more htna 80000 dolar each month, there is tons of game constantly get update, being white knight only harm people that love this game.

 

[JustBang]

Nice. 1/3 done, 3 more to go. I am only waiting for Judith then I am done. Considering only 3 more updates away, it's only about 2 more years. Great.

I gave up on a Judith titjob long ago

 

[j4yj4m]

I agree. Complaining for the sake of complaining shouldn't be a thing, but unfortunately here in this thread it's festered like a disease, or a swollen pimple. So it's hard to see who isn't pouring gasoline on the fire.

My issue has always been that most people who claim they are criticizing the content of the game itself ulitmately just complain about the money DC is making and won't even mention anything beyond that. Then again, that's been going on for more than 3 years now and I wouldn't be surprised if some here will actually continue to write the same stuff again and again for the next years, too.