Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[Count Morado]

will there be another pre tech update? or is it finally the tech update next

See #9 and #10 in the FAQ just 4 posts above yours #67,252. I also recommend #1.

 

[CypherXXX]

2023.

More like 2032 at this rate

 

[Sukme]

Downloaded and placed the incest patch in the game directory but relationship did not change. Please help

I'm probably WAY off but noticed incest patch is 20.5 ( which numerically comes after 20.15). A lot of devs use the numbers differently: 20.5, 20.6, 20.7....20.13, 20.14, 20.15 - so maybe it's outdated?

 

[Count Morado]

I'm probably WAY off but noticed incest patch is 20.5 ( which numerically comes after 20.15). A lot of devs use the numbers differently: 20.5, 20.6, 20.7....20.13, 20.14, 20.15 - so maybe it's outdated?

(the post(s) you're referencing are deleted - but so that someone isn't confused)
The developer doesn't make the patch for Summertime Saga and the patch is a replacement patch (for example: when script says "a", use "b" instead). Since it affects only Debbie, Jenny, and Diane - all three of whom have had no content updates since v0.20.5 or before - the patch is still up to date.

 

[Sukme]

Yup. You are way off. See #3 in the FAQ 7 posts above yours #67,252.

Also, 5 comes before 15, not after - it's not a decimal. In most cases, the period is used to simply to separate: Major Version . Minor Version . Patch.

The developer doesn't make the patch for Summertime Saga. Also, the patch is a replacement patch (for example: when text says "a", use "b" instead). Since it affects only Debbie, Jenny, and Diane - all three of whom have had no content updates since v0.20.5 or before - the patch is still up to date.

Also, 5 comes before 15, not after - my whole point of the numerical 'versus dev count' comment

but I guess it need repeating?

 

[Count Morado]

Also, 5 comes before 15, not after - my whole point of the numerical 'versus dev count' comment

but I guess it need repeating?

Wait, what? Ok. I see my confusion from reading your post. And yes, it did need repeating.

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[srksrk 68]

Wait, what? Ok. I see my confusion from reading your post. And yes, it did need repeating.

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If you want the whole truth about versioning, I suggest taking a look here:

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You should not think -- especially not in the context of Summertime Saga -- about mathematical numbers, and a mathematical sequence of version numbers. In fact Summertime Saga's version numbers are not even numbers because they do not contain only one but two dots. There is no version 20.5 nor 20.15, but 0.20.5 or 0.20.15. The mathematical interpretion of a number with two dots would be new to me. Instead, think of them as three separate integers, separated by dots. This makes it immediately clear that 0.20.5 comes before 0.20.15. Or it would mean that if we were talking about the same thing, which we are not -- the one is the game and the other is the incest patch. Which happens to have the same numbering.

 

[Count Morado]

If you want the whole truth about versioning, I suggest taking a look here:

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You should not think -- especially not in the context of Summertime Saga -- about mathematical numbers, and a mathematical sequence of version numbers. In fact Summertime Saga's version numbers are not even numbers because they do not contain only one but two dots. There is no version 20.5 nor 20.15, but 0.20.5 or 0.20.15. The mathematical interpretion of a number with two dots would be new to me. Instead, think of them as three separate integers, separated by dots. This makes it immediately clear that 0.20.5 comes before 0.20.15. Or it would mean that if we were talking about the same thing, which we are not -- the one is the game and the other is the incest patch. Which happens to have the same numbering.

Concur. My old phone with Ice Cream Sandwich version of Android agrees with you, but Gingerbread is still a little spicy about the whole thing.

 

[yuyutsu]

Sounds like a you problem

User finding bug in a software is a dev problem, that is basics of software development. Heck, that is the basic for any project development. Its not like I am complaining of some issue unrelated to this game.

you didn't save in the 2 safe spots

I did, it was how I was able to reload to previous checkpoints. Do you read to what you reply.

you started 3+ routes at once, you probably skipped a few updates and the game said nope

The fun of playing a sandbox game is that I don't have to follow a linear route to finish the game. If the player has to follow a perfect script to finish this game, the sandbox tag should be removed.
I started a new game for the update so how does it matter if I skipped a few updates.

I was complimenting the dev for making a sound decision by doing the code rehaul because any new player would be discouraged to play this game if the dev only focused on content and not the playability. I don't know how that can be triggering. Was my point not clear?
Am I not aloud to share my experience on a discussion thread for the game I am talking about?

 

[Omnikuken]

User finding bug in a software is a dev problem, that is basics of software development. Heck, that is the basic for any project development. Its not like I am complaining of some issue unrelated to this game.


I did, it was how I was able to reload to previous checkpoints. Do you read to what you reply.


The fun of playing a sandbox game is that I don't have to follow a linear route to finish the game. If the player has to follow a perfect script to finish this game, the sandbox tag should be removed.
I started a new game for the update so how does it matter if I skipped a few updates.

I was complimenting the dev for making a sound decision by doing the code rehaul because any new player would be discouraged to play this game if the dev only focused on content and not the playability. I don't know how that can be triggering. Was my point not clear?
Am I not aloud to share my experience on a discussion thread for the game I am talking about?

"User" being only you bugging out in 3 different routes at once is still only you. And no1 else since before 2018. So yes, it's a you problem. Sandbox has nothing to do with anything if the game fucks itself when you go into 3+ routes at once, it doesn't if you go only 1 at a time. Shocking.

Try reporting it to the bugreport (you have to pay to gain access) and provide a save file. Either they'll laugh at you or find new bugs that no1 else managed to in ~4 years

 

[yuyutsu]

"User" being only you bugging out in 3 different routes at once is still only you. And no1 else since before 2018. So yes, it's a you problem. Sandbox has nothing to do with anything if the game fucks itself when you go into 3+ routes at once, it doesn't if you go only 1 at a time. Shocking.

Try reporting it to the bugreport (you have to pay to gain access) and provide a save file. Either they'll laugh at you or find new bugs that no1 else managed to in ~4 years

If the game allows the player to do something you have to believe the player will do it. If player is allowed to enter more than one route at a time, the user will do it. It is the devs job to cover these cases by either making sure a user doesn't enter more than one route at a time or make sure user doesn't get bugs when they do.

These are fundamentals of project development taught in engineering course. If the dev is not familiar with it they can learn something new. Blaming the user because of oversight on the devs part is a fundamental mistake.

I am sure the dev knows his shit, they have made good decisions so far. His work is simple but fun and now they are going for code overhaul which will help them keep track of issues and make the development process easier.

If the community is laughing at anyone trying to share their experience and report bugs, they are, knowingly or unknowingly becoming a blockade to the development process. I hope the dev is smarter and listens to his players even if they are repeating what has already been mentioned or at least pretend.

 

[Omnikuken]

If the game allows the player to do something you have to believe the player will do it. If player is allowed to enter more than one route at a time, the user will do it. It is the devs job to cover these cases by either making sure a user doesn't enter more than one route at a time or make sure user doesn't get bugs when they do.

These are fundamentals of project development taught in engineering course. If the dev is not familiar with it they can learn something new. Blaming the user because of oversight on the devs part is a fundamental mistake.

I am sure the dev knows his shit, they have made good decisions so far. His work is simple but fun and now they are going for code overhaul which will help them keep track of issues and make the development process easier.

If the community is laughing at anyone trying to share their experience and report bugs, they are, knowingly or unknowingly becoming a blockade to the development process. I hope the dev is smarter and listens to his players even if they are repeating what has already been mentioned or at least pretend.

They still warned dudes to not save anywhere aside 2 places and that saves are compatible since 0.18, over 4 years ago. People still don't do any of those 2 and "bug" out. Design flaw all you want, people still play like lamers and crash themselves, after being warned.

Does anyone have an order to make Eve a woman? Because I made the wrong choice for her to be a man and didn't save it before.(I don't want to play again).

Either phone hack her into losing her schlong (dunno if it's even in there), restart (might be able to autoload before the choice if you didn't go far enough afterwards), try srk's mod (again a big "maybe") or go the console way (that'll 99%+ wreck the rest of the game)

 

[itsyeboii]

They still warned dudes to not save anywhere aside 2 places and that saves are compatible since 0.18, over 4 years ago. People still don't do any of those 2 and "bug" out. Design flaw all you want, people still play like lamers and crash themselves, after being warned.

Not everyone is up to date. I never knew you could only save in 2 places (I'm assuming it's the map and bedroom) or maybe I forgot. Because my life doesn't revolve around a porn game and I just boot it up to play.


People are just playing a sandbox game how a sandbox game is meant to be played, if there are any bugs or crashes by doing so, then that's on the developer of the software. It's basic knowledge.

 

[yuyutsu]

They still warned dudes to not save anywhere aside 2 places and that saves are compatible since 0.18, over 4 years ago. People still don't do any of those 2 and "bug" out. Design flaw all you want, people still play like lamers and crash themselves, after being warned.

Seriously read the comments before answering.
When I said loading past checkpoints I was referring to saves made in case of bugs.
Started a new game for this update means starting a game from the scratch for this update. I did not load any saves from previous version. I don't even have a save from previous versions.
I know most of the comments are of such kind but there can actually be some bugs in WIP game, acknowledge that.

Edit: Just learned what you meant by this "They still warned dudes to not save anywhere aside 2 places" from the comment above this one which I am not sure is warned(could be and I missed) and I was not aware. Thanks for telling me that.

 

[Omnikuken]

Using basic and generic terms while replying doesn't mean I'm targeting you personally, even if I quote your post. Your case is just the most recent and easily accessible to point out the game doesn't work like most people think it does (and that most people don't know how the game works, aka the save and multi-routes). Maybe the tech build will fix everything and you can go do all routes at once and nothing will crap out (dubious at best).

You still haven't provided much info after your initial post of "Roxxy's route is bugged". What does it do ? Reset back a few weeks when you load ? Repeat the same event all the time ? She switches between loving the MC and wanting to kill him for looking at her (back and forth from early route to late) ? Most of which are the "you didn't save at the 2 places you should" syndroms. Adding to the fact doing many routes at once does indeed crap out, even if the dev didn't tell any1 about it and that the code is hot garbage, while the game is labelled as sandbox and people are expected to run around aimlessly doing all the routes they can at once

 

[srksrk 68]

Concur. My old phone with Ice Cream Sandwich version of Android agrees with you, but Gingerbread is still a little spicy about the whole thing.

LOL you got me. But even in Android versions there is a defined order -- the first letter of the name. I agree that there is a corresponding section missing in the Wiki article I quoted...

 

[srksrk 68]

Seriously read the comments before answering.
When I said loading past checkpoints I was referring to saves made in case of bugs.
Started a new game for this update means starting a game from the scratch for this update. I did not load any saves from previous version. I don't even have a save from previous versions.
I know most of the comments are of such kind but there can actually be some bugs in WIP game, acknowledge that.


If you are referring to McDonald case, afaik the judgement was passed against the McDonald so... Although I am not familiar with the case so if there is anything you would like to share that could be new to me, feel free to do so.
Also it depends how I got burned, was the cup defective, did it spill while handing over. Did it spill because of a wobbly chair/table that belonged to Starbucks. Many possibilities.

Edit: Just learned what you meant by this "They still warned dudes to not save anywhere aside 2 places" from the comment above this one which I am not sure is warned(could be and I missed) and I was not aware. Thanks for telling me that.

With "Save in the two known save places" Omnikuken means the main town map and MCs bedroom. This is basic knowledge if you read frequently in the forum. Which not everybody can and does. I totally agree that the game is at fault not to hinder the user to save elesewhere. For this, and for the fact that the game is producing faulty saves, the dev is to be blamed and not the user.

Also, as I stated before in this forum, there are one or two situations at least that I can reproduce where the game *will* produce faulty saves also in the so-called safe places. If you happen to save at the wrong time during the wrong quest, your save *will* break in those situations. If you pass those without loading that faulty save, you are all good, but not if you don't. Easy as that.

It is also a problem to do rollback, which the game disables for a reason. Without any counter measures, a rollback accross internal status changes will also break your save, be it in a safe place or not.

Having said that, I can only recommend my own Naughty Tribute mod, which to my knowledge prevents saves from breaking and which can even repair broken saves. I don't know if you already abandoned your broken saves. If not, give that mod a try. If it cannot repair your save, I would really be interested to repair it myself, if possible.

Finally, you should be aware that the tech update does not necessarily mean that they will repair the save mechanism.

 

[yuyutsu]

You still haven't provided much info after your initial post of "Roxxy's route is bugged".

I guess I shouldn't have taken personally, got a bit worked up for no reason. Getting older made me less tolerant
I don't remember all the stuffs but 2 bugs in memory are:
roxxy - after the beach party somehow I got the quest to steal the exam paper again but I couldn't because paper was already stolen
Diane - After pregnancy, the build the barn quest again.

 

[crankberry]

Anyone know if I can change it from 12:9 to 16:9 on pc I tryed windowed, fullscreen, and both when trying 1080p had those black bars on the sides. Not a big issue just wondering if ya can fill the screen.

 

[Count Morado]

Anyone know if I can change it from 12:9 to 16:9 on pc I tryed windowed, fullscreen, and both when trying 1080p had those black bars on the sides. Not a big issue just wondering if ya can fill the screen.

No. This game is 4:3 aspect ratio, which was the default/accepted ratio when this game was first developed. The tech update that has been in development for 18 months... you know what, read #12 in my FAQ posted on the previous page. I also recommend reading #1.