Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

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Two months ago I made a comment about how the update is still at 80%. It's still at 80%. I predicted that it would hit 81% by the end of the year but I am not so sure anymore. I think it may go down to 79% by the end of the year.

 

[TGafy]

Two months ago I made a comment about how the update is still at 80%. It's still at 80%. I predicted that it would hit 81% by the end of the year but I am not so sure anymore. I think it may go down to 79% by the end of the year.

Compared to now, how many tasks were there two months ago? How many of them were completed? 8/10 is 80%. 80/100 is also 80%. Percentage doesn't mean much if what they are supposed to reflect keeps changing.

 

[MurkyTurtle]

Compared to now, how many tasks were there two months ago? How many of them were completed? 8/10 is 80%. 80/100 is also 80%. Percentage doesn't mean much if what they are supposed to reflect keeps changing.

That's easy enough to answer.

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The tracker today:



So, two coding tasks completed, two coding tasks added. In two months and change. With about ninety coding tasks remaining, we should have an update ready around... *checks calculator* never.

 

[dirgetka]

i believe it is called fraud

No, the answer is much simpler and more banal (benign, even, depending how charitable you want to be) than that. Simple fact is DC feels no pressure to change the speed of development in either direction, be it slower or faster, so he doesn't change it. No external pressure from the audience, and no internal pressure from his own reasoning. Why would he? The audience get the game for free, and pay him as a gesture of goodwill. He earns enough money that he's financially secure, and I doubt his home expenses have increased to the point he needs constant patreon growth to sustain his lifestyle. His finances are solid, no-one bothers him, he's his own boss after a career of wageslaving, he gets to spend plenty of time with his family and he can work from home on this goofy little side project that unexpectedly became a self-sustaining diversion. He's got it made, really, and -- on a person-to-person level -- I'm very happy for DC. I like him and it gladdens me to see people I like do well for themselves.

If you're actually paying money to the patreon with the expectation of receiving content in a timely manner as a result, then I sympathise. It must feel like you're eating shit for months on end waiting for this stuff to come out. But there's an easy solution. I stopped my pledge many years ago because I was uncomfortable with the increasing gaps between updates. You can do the same, it's not a big deal at all. If you're not paying money for the game, then I'm not sure why it's worth getting riled up or taking potshots at the guy -- just accept the production is slow as shit and say a silent prayer for the fools who are still happy to finance this hodgepodge development quagmire

 

[itsyeboii]

No, the answer is much simpler and more banal (benign, even, depending how charitable you want to be) than that. Simple fact is DC feels no pressure to change the speed of development in either direction, be it slower or faster, so he doesn't change it. No external pressure from the audience, and no internal pressure from his own reasoning. Why would he? The audience get the game for free, and pay him as a gesture of goodwill. He earns enough money that he's financially secure, and I doubt his home expenses have increased to the point he needs constant patreon growth to sustain his lifestyle. His finances are solid, no-one bothers him, he's his own boss after a career of wageslaving, he gets to spend plenty of time with his family and he can work from home on this goofy little side project that unexpectedly became a self-sustaining diversion. He's got it made, really, and -- on a person-to-person level -- I'm very happy for DC. I like him and it gladdens me to see people I like do well for themselves.

If you're actually paying money to the patreon with the expectation of receiving content in a timely manner as a result, then I sympathise. It must feel like you're eating shit for months on end waiting for this stuff to come out. But there's an easy solution. I stopped my pledge many years ago because I was uncomfortable with the increasing gaps between updates. You can do the same, it's not a big deal at all. If you're not paying money for the game, then I'm not sure why it's worth getting riled up or taking potshots at the guy -- just accept the production is slow as shit and say a silent prayer for the fools who are still happy to finance this hodgepodge development quagmire

I completely agree. People should read this before accusing DC of scamming people.

But I do understand why people get wrong impressions or feel as if something doesn't add up. DC went through the effort to rebrand as Kompas Productions and incentivizes people to donate to his Patreon. It definitely gives off a professional impression but DC is anything but. I'm not saying he's obligated to do anything because of that, but some professionalism would go a long way.

Don't say "game is supported by donations please gib moneys" when you're borderline negligent when it comes to transparency, especially when the state of development is in such a situation as now. That's just my opinion though.

 

[Deleted member 378959]

That's easy enough to answer.

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The tracker today:

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So, two coding tasks completed, two coding tasks added. In two months and change. With about ninety coding tasks remaining, we should have an update ready around... *checks calculator* never.

Not all tasks take the same amount of time and a lot of tasks can be completed but not closed if we're lucky (X doubt) the hardest ones are done and the rest are things that can get done in a couple days each. But even then that's multiple months till coding's done followed up by bugfix.
There's no way this is getting done by the end of the year.

 

[Ryan_dilanc]

No, the answer is much simpler and more banal (benign, even, depending how charitable you want to be) than that. Simple fact is DC feels no pressure to change the speed of development in either direction, be it slower or faster, so he doesn't change it. No external pressure from the audience, and no internal pressure from his own reasoning. Why would he? The audience get the game for free, and pay him as a gesture of goodwill. He earns enough money that he's financially secure, and I doubt his home expenses have increased to the point he needs constant patreon growth to sustain his lifestyle. His finances are solid, no-one bothers him, he's his own boss after a career of wageslaving, he gets to spend plenty of time with his family and he can work from home on this goofy little side project that unexpectedly became a self-sustaining diversion. He's got it made, really, and -- on a person-to-person level -- I'm very happy for DC. I like him and it gladdens me to see people I like do well for themselves.

If you're actually paying money to the patreon with the expectation of receiving content in a timely manner as a result, then I sympathise. It must feel like you're eating shit for months on end waiting for this stuff to come out. But there's an easy solution. I stopped my pledge many years ago because I was uncomfortable with the increasing gaps between updates. You can do the same, it's not a big deal at all. If you're not paying money for the game, then I'm not sure why it's worth getting riled up or taking potshots at the guy -- just accept the production is slow as shit and say a silent prayer for the fools who are still happy to finance this hodgepodge development quagmire

i completely agre with u my guy back in the days i get mad for this game develop speed but i saw those other awesome games and im playing that ones too

Its anoying but i just dont suport with my money anymore i did the same thing with 3dgspot and their recent shitty job

but u now some ppl just cant let nostalgia go

 

[Sgrodolo]

I'm readying coke and chips for the roadmap's second birthday in 2 weeks

 

[j4yj4m]

But I do understand why people get wrong impressions or feel as if something doesn't add up. DC went through the effort to rebrand as Kompas Productions and incentivizes people to donate to his Patreon. It definitely gives off a professional impression but DC is anything but. I'm not saying he's obligated to do anything because of that, but some professionalism would go a long way.

To be fair, once you start earning that kind of money and actually employ a number of people, there's certainly a huge incentive to set up a company to have these things seperated from your personal finances for legal and tax reasons alone. Especially if you aren't living in some third world country, but somewhere, where you may get in trouble for violating tax- and employment laws.

After all, it's not like you'd see really the name Kompas Productions until after you've already become a patron.

 

[paladino05]

I think it's about time to give SMS another go, it's been around 2 years since I've played it and I believe a lot of content has been addead since then. I just can't keep waiting for the Tech Update that'll probably come out like 5 years in the future

 

[Okeanos]

It is a solid game, and for new players, there is always going to be a ton of content to explore. I do think it has hit the awkward stage where there honestly they should have just gone to a sequel. The problem with any game if you just keep adding stuff over years is the tech runs into problems and needs updates. Updates are very technical and time-consuming, and people just have very little patience for waiting 4 months on tech update X. I do think they are trying to get to an end, you can see that as they seem to have a clear direction on the main story now. That said I think it will be another year or 2 until they actually get there.

 

[harfling]

It is a solid game, and for new players, there is always going to be a ton of content to explore. I do think it has hit the awkward stage where there honestly they should have just gone to a sequel. The problem with any game if you just keep adding stuff over years is the tech runs into problems and needs updates. Updates are very technical and time-consuming, and people just have very little patience for waiting 4 months on tech update X. I do think they are trying to get to an end, you can see that as they seem to have a clear direction on the main story now. That said I think it will be another year or 2 until they actually get there.

I would have been way more content waiting this amount of time for a sequel (or even separate game entirely) than a tech update. We shall see. STS is one of those things that I wish I could play for the first time again, for sure. You're obviously right that they needed the tech update but it definitely put them in an awkward spot, or lack there of since people are still throwing money at the game. At least it wont be sloppily rushed due to lack of funds, I guess is a positive side.

 

[iooooodr]

WAR war never changes the same old augments endlessly repeated by new people, in the same thread with thousands of pages for 7 YEARS, defended by the same old people with the same old cope, the game is about 60% done we have like 9 updates left the most optimistic timeline is like 3 years and that with a ungodly amount of cope(real timeline is like 5 years)



never forget

 

[queefdesu]

Our future great great great great grandsons will live to tell of how this game was finished or got past tech updates,
for now.. we can only nurture the development with money for "tech updates"

 

[KillerBee487]

The audience get the game for free, and pay him as a gesture of goodwill. He earns enough money that he's financially secure, and I doubt his home expenses have increased to the point he needs constant patreon growth to sustain his lifestyle. His finances are solid, no-one bothers him, he's his own boss after a career of wageslaving, he gets to spend plenty of time with his family and he can work from home on this goofy little side project that unexpectedly became a self-sustaining diversion. He's got it made, really, and -- on a person-to-person level -- I'm very happy for DC. I like him and it gladdens me to see people I like do well for themselves.

Man this summarizes exactly what I feel when I join the streams of DC from time to time.
I mean, c'mon, he's earning a lot of money doing what he loves and he's his own boss. Of course we envy him, and I'm glad that he's doing fine
The only and MAIN but of all this, is that someday (i don't know when, nor i'm not sure if THEY know when neither) the patreons are gonna get tired. We can lie to all of us saying that DC is going to still working in this project even when his incomes drops to 0, but we all know that's not true. There's a whole team working behind, and they are need to be paid for the work they're doing (or not doing maybe...?)
I love this game, and i really like DC, but we're getting closer to the non-return point where the patreons get so fucking TIRED of paying for nothing, that Summertime Saga is on risk of being developed even SLOWER

But of course, i'm not a guru and maybe nothing of this happen in a closer future
Meanwhile, i like seeing that DC is doing well and taking care of his family. He's actually a really good man

 

[PatreonTed]

The only and MAIN but of all this, is that someday (i don't know when, nor i'm not sure if THEY know when neither) the patreons are gonna get tired. We can lie to all of us saying that DC is going to still working in this project even when his incomes drops to 0, but we all know that's not true. There's a whole team working behind, and they are need to be paid for the work they're doing (or not doing maybe...?)
I love this game, and i really like DC, but we're getting closer to the non-return point where the patreons get so fucking TIRED of paying for nothing, that Summertime Saga is on risk of being developed even SLOWER

Patreon $ income is the lowest it has been since March 2020, so one might argue that patreons are already tired at this point.

 

[XCharlie]

Maybe this guy needs a few more hundred decades . But whatever I had already forgot about it and it's still on the tech update. Putting this to my ignore thread as well .

 

[PTdesu]

Patreon $ income is the lowest it has been since March 2020, so one might argue that patreons are already tired at this point.

I havent been keeping up with the patreon numbers but, even if the patreons are tired i doubt DC has anything to worry about since his last goal that was 30k and was made as a joke too.
Currently his patreon is doing double that.

 

[lilloller01]

I completely agree. People should read this before accusing DC of scamming people.

But I do understand why people get wrong impressions or feel as if something doesn't add up. DC went through the effort to rebrand as Kompas Productions and incentivizes people to donate to his Patreon. It definitely gives off a professional impression but DC is anything but. I'm not saying he's obligated to do anything because of that, but some professionalism would go a long way.

Don't say "game is supported by donations please gib moneys" when you're borderline negligent when it comes to transparency, especially when the state of development is in such a situation as now. That's just my opinion though.

He is right, and that is the perfect definition of "milking" for the motivations he explained. Very easy and it damn works.
At the same time, the power is in patrons' hands.
If people want to accelerate the process of development, they must pause their subscriptions. That's all. It's not a scam or a fraud, it is a perfect consequence of this system.

 

[affen123]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the update will be released on April 1 as an April Fool's joke.