Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[Xupuzulla]

Waaaait a 2.137 seconds...
So, You want to tell me, that DC was making tech update for 4 years already with relasing some minor scene updates on the way.
And we haven't had update since 2022.
And now, after 4 friggin years of making the update this guy announces that it will be relased in parts cuz it would not be finishd for at least year or something?
For chroist sake, there are single-person game developers who can make a whole, bigger than SS game from scratch in shorter time for fraction of the funds DC has.
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Dont forget the very sus timing of this release.
The whole thing is a shitshow,is like a trainwreck you cant look away

 

[Poggersq]

apt reminder: april 29th

 

[asker]

2 years.. man miss this game so much. I really don't get it why devs doing this.

 

[j4yj4m]

The full tech update will probably not be finished in the next year so maybe starting releasing small updates is not a bad idea.

DC did say some time ago that he'd expect further growth once the tech update is out. It'll really depend on how much they actually managed to get done. Having the partial tech update, followed by another release a some months later and a Ronda release another few months after that would likely indeed provide a significant boost.

As always, when it comes to the business side of things on Patreon, releasing several smaller updates is always preferable to releasing few larger ones. Then again, given the last years, I'm not sure how likely that really is.

 

[Ottoeight]

Don't know if it's confirmed but he talked about it in one of his streams. The full tech update will probably not be finished in the next year so maybe starting releasing small updates is not a bad idea. I don't know, this whole thing is a mess.

Uncle DarkCookie: "This whole thing is a mess!"

 

[itsyeboii]

I don't understand the anxiety surrounding the 'abandoned' tag by DC's apologists

Literally not a single person in this thread has shown anxiety towards the abandoned tag. That's a narrative you're making up, which is par for the course.

 

[itsyeboii]

i don't understand the whole "partial tech update" concept. wasn't the main point of the tech update to change the aspect ratio of the entire game to 16:9? releasing that in parts seems very backwards to me, will only a part of the images be in said aspect resolution? but i guess it allows him to drip feed "updates" for longer whilst putting in very little work.

I'm assuming all of the fundamental assets are tech-updated, with only the actual character quests getting implemented later, and their respective locations. That's the only way I think partial tech-updates make sense.

 

[Count Morado]

is this confirmed?

Read the 1600 word transcription from Friday to make up your own mind. 76,855

 

[McSlut]

Regardless of that, the reason DC announced they're getting a test update is because among patrons there is also a growing dissatisfaction because of a lack of tangible progress. If he really wanted to dodge the abandoned tag for this site, he wouldn't have to go through the trouble to release an actual playable version of the tech-update.

are patreons really dumb enough to fall for this? DC must count on it because there is not really a difference in terms of progress between finishing the tech update completly (let's be optimistic here) sometime next year and releasing it partially until it is finished

doing in that way might even take longer in the end because every partial tech update also needs to go through a testing phase right

but from what i gathered from the post the faq spammer made DC thinks everyone is just being impatient and people hate him anyways so he doesn't care. SS has become too successful to fail (in terms of the money it's making)

 

[dirgetka]

there is not really a difference in terms of progress between finishing the tech update completly (let's be optimistic here) sometime next year and releasing it partially until it is finished

purely from a project management POV, I think a partial release will be good for forcing them to persist with the new code/flag structure they're planning on pushing as part of the tech update. The worst case, unrealistic as it may be, is there's no partial release and 6 months from now they decide there's a more optimal way to lay out the code, leading to another from-scratch refactor.

If there's a partial release already out there a few months from now and there's less content in it than in 20.16, then there's forward pressure on them to restore the remaining content to get back to par with the previous versions ASAP. They also won't want to do another refactor, as the one they've just done has taken about 10x longer than they ever expected. So they're forced to keep going onward. A bit like Gromit laying down the traintracks

 

[j4yj4m]

are patreons really dumb enough to fall for this? DC must count on it because there is not really a difference in terms of progress between finishing the tech update completly (let's be optimistic here) sometime next year and releasing it partially until it is finished

I think one easily undererstimates the number of patrons who subscribe/unsubscribe. Given the fluctuation each month, it technically takes like ~6 to 7 months or so to replace every single patron DC has with someone new. So it's really not like there are 25k+ people waiting for years paying for nothing.

There'll be two main groups of patrons. Those who discover the game and pay a few $ until the unscubscribe again a few months later and those who really are long term fans (and actually pay something). The latter group has proven to be very, very patient. I guess the fact that DC streams so much does help a lot here - it's way easier to pay a few $ a months, when you get let several hours of content delivered each week.

 

[prk222111]

if this update not gonna be literally mind blowing, like really really mind blowing, that my head gonna explode, then i'll say it was worth waiting and the await time was totally understandable, but if not, then tbh nothing because patrons still gonna be stupid ass ..... and gonna support this scam.

 

[itsyeboii]

are patreons really dumb enough to fall for this? DC must count on it because there is not really a difference in terms of progress between finishing the tech update completly (let's be optimistic here) sometime next year and releasing it partially until it is finished

doing in that way might even take longer in the end because every partial tech update also needs to go through a testing phase right

I genuinely don't know, but assuming it might take a bit longer in the long run if they go with partial updates, it would still be worth it if patrons like it. The difference it makes is that patrons, and people in general get to see the progress for themselves instead of getting a monthly post, maybe a wallpaper, and seeing DC draw on stream.

And if I put on my tinfoil hat for a second, DC has been working on new and improved sex scenes for some characters on stream, and the monthly update notes have included some as well. So if there's new and reworked content added in with the partial updates, that's reason more to go for it.

 

[Xupuzulla]

are patreons really dumb enough to fall for this? DC must count on it because there is not really a difference in terms of progress between finishing the tech update completly (let's be optimistic here) sometime next year and releasing it partially until it is finished

doing in that way might even take longer in the end because every partial tech update also needs to go through a testing phase right

but from what i gathered from the post the faq spammer made DC thinks everyone is just being impatient and people hate him anyways so he doesn't care. SS has become too successful to fail (in terms of the money it's making)

A month ago "DC DOENST CARE ABOUT HIS PATREONS ANGER,STOP ASKING QUESTIONS"
Now that Darkcookie flipped the script on everyone "DC CARES ABOUT HIS PATREONS,STOP ASKING QUESTIONS"
This whole thing is just funny.

 

[Count Morado]

A month ago "DC DOENST CARE ABOUT HIS PATREONS ANGER,STOP ASKING QUESTIONS"
Now that Darkcookie flipped the script on everyone "DC CARES ABOUT HIS PATREONS,STOP ASKING QUESTIONS"
This whole thing is just funny.

Who the fuck said that? Who the fuck is saying that? What drugs are you on? Can I have some?

You are funny.

 

[Ante]

No, he still streams himself working on it.

For 2 years? The next update better be huge then

 

[Count Morado]

For 2 years? The next update better be huge then

You're not reading the thread, are you? You're going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[naoligopraisso]

Disappointed Saga

 

[Senigata]

Sure has gotten to the point where I can check this or the Subverse thread and honestly can't tell the difference, lol. Well, I'm glad it isn't just focused on this thread.

 

[McSlut]

purely from a project management POV, I think a partial release will be good for forcing them to persist with the new code/flag structure they're planning on pushing as part of the tech update. The worst case, unrealistic as it may be, is there's no partial release and 6 months from now they decide there's a more optimal way to lay out the code, leading to another from-scratch refactor.

If there's a partial release already out there a few months from now and there's less content in it than in 20.16, then there's forward pressure on them to restore the remaining content to get back to par with the previous versions ASAP. They also won't want to do another refactor, as the one they've just done has taken about 10x longer than they ever expected. So they're forced to keep going onward. A bit like Gromit laying down the traintracks

i think you're being too optimistic here. where is the forward pressure coming from? we already know the abandoned tag on here will have no effect, i think there is a small chance it affects DC in a small way because people are going to annoy him about the abandoned tag on discord and his stream asking him if the game is really abandoned and so on and he might want to avoid that.. but then again he already said he knows everyone besides his most loyal patreons are shitting on him already and he doesn't care

i think there is a chance of a reverse effect happening, if DC sees that his patreon fans get pacified by the first partial update it's reason enough for the team to get lazy again. he says the updates will come on a monthly or bi monthly basis but everyone knows he never stuck to those deadlines anyway so i bet after the second or third partial update the next one will already take 4 months again and so on

it doesn't look to me like like DC has any oversight about the scale of the project or what his coder is even doing. this whole metaphor about him building a brand new car from scratch is stupid because nobody wanted him to build a car from scratch if they knew how long it would take. it doesn't bother him though because this:

There'll be two main groups of patrons. Those who discover the game and pay a few $ until the unscubscribe again a few months later and those who really are long term fans (and actually pay something).

is probably true and what i meant by "the game is too big to fail already" in terms of it's income