Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[srksrk 68]

So in order to express an opinion, you need to use force?. I think you fail to understand the definition of opinion or professionalism for that matter. I stand by what I said. No force needed, just stating an opinion that the developer lacks professionalism when generating over 200k without an update to a basic game. The developer is not inventing the cure for cancer, it is a game and nothing more. More than I can do for sure but again I am not the one getting the $200k.

Where do I use force I wonder...

Notice: Complaining about the complainers is likely gonna cause more complaining.
Just ignore them, seriously. Best thing you can do, because they're likely to still bitch.
Not saying I agree with them, mind you, but I know it ain't gonna do anything if y'complain.

True but I don't wanna let them hijack this thread...

lol, and you are the guy that watches the game and never understands when a player makes a bad play.

Fortunatly for this we have you to explain.

uh guys, no one can say DC doesn't work on the game enough. I mean he does art streams so you can see part of the progress on his side.
its one thing to say updates are slow, or maybe that there needs to be more staff members since there 'should' be enough patreon income.
Its another thing to tell SS devs what they deserve. literally no one has the power to decide those things, its mostly luck man so leave it alone. Anyone claiming SS devs to be 'stealing' just for making so much money is just petty shit.

also, approx 17 MILLION views has come across F95 zone's thread for SS alone. lets be generous and say 100k of those viewers are unique since SS has had many updates. since DC makes 57k and also only has 22k patrons, that means a little more than 1/5 of us here actually pay for the game.
I don't usually see the 'wheres update' complainers having donor flair. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT MONEY IF YOU AREN'T THE ONES SPENDING IT.

lets not beat around the bush, this is pretty much a pirating site. any1 here could just get the game free and not spend a dime. I don't think any1 except the donors can complain about this games update speeds. even then when something goes bad, its not like people won't just move on to something else. donor or no thats what most people gonna do.
hell I was a donor to cloud meadow for 4mo's, but the second I smelled bullshit I left it behind.
its good that we at least get to have dialogue with the devs from time 2 time, even though we still don't know as much as we would like behind the scenes. we seriously have an honest game here, I don't think anyone is being taken advantage of.

Everybody can get this game for free, from the official site. No pirating needed.

The thing is, DarkCookie isn't asking for 60k/month or half a million/year. People simply give it to him and his team.

Imagine a street musician with a cup in front of him. Everybody can listen to him play, nobody has to throw money in his cup. But people want to, because they like the music being played and hope he keeps playing. He says a certain amount is needed to ensure he keeps playing, but any more than that is not required. But he still gets way more money than he asked for.
Could he hire a full band with that much money? Maybe, but why should he? He's playing what he wants and can choose the corner on which he plays. Sure, some people may be annoyed that he keeps playing the same songs or covers only some genres of music. But the fact that he keeps making way more money than he asked for shows that most people are happy with how things are. And those unhappy people are free to stop throwing money in his cup. There seem to be enough people that want him to continue doing what he's doing.
Also: Should he refuse the excess amount of money he gets? Would any of you?

All true. And you forgot the people who are listening and enjoing your street musician day by day, not paying, but constantly complaing how he plays not enough, not fast enough, and not what they like to hear, when they like to hear it.

 

[srksrk 68]

Once you discover OTHER great games besides SS (Melody, Dating my Daughter, Depraved Awakening, Broken Dreamers, Being a DIK for me), the waiting process of a new DC's update becomes child's play. If you're only into 2D art, go to Hentai Foundry. Works as well.

You must try Harem Hotel. Definitly.

As of late, I discovered HS Tutor and The Headmaster. A while around is Something Unlimited. And of course, if you didn't play them already, Akabur's classics Princess Trainer and Witch Trainer.

 

[srksrk 68]

So I was playing this game again and I decided to do the Aqua route and something annoyed me...

When you're going through the underwater cave, is there actually a way to figure out which way to go or are we always to rely on either A = Blind luck or B= Some guide somewhere?

I tried looking for clues/prompts on the screen but there's literally nothing to tell you if you went the wrong or right way or even how many different rooms you have to go through to finish...

Am I missing something or is that puzzle just REALLY badly designed?

(Don't message me with the correct answer, I looked it up already. I was just wondering if I missed the 'method' for navigating the underwater cave...)

Look at the globe in MC's attic...

Or, you could install my mod (see signature), which -- among other goodies -- let's you skip all the minigames. Just saying.

 

[commandermamado]

Awesome game

 

[Deleted member 426398]

I think most people complain because they really think that at that point and with the engagement from the patrons, DC would have gotten a more professional touch on how the game is being developed.

And then he makes less money. Hence the reason he will always work at the absolute minimum he can get away with. I'm still laughing at the notion that no one on the planet can duplicate his art style, as if every comic book, anime, and cartoon isn't made by many artist following style guides. I know porn studios that make less a month than this game and produce significantly more content. It's fine to like the game, but it's increasingly obvious how this is a cash cow slowly being milked. That notion of fools and their money remains as true as it ever was.

 

[ZeeN2ss]

Hey, lain or tribute mod please? what is better ?

 

[JKH18]

2139 pages, 1900 of which are entitled, jealous cunts bitching and crying just 'cause they'll never see 50k a month dropping in their own accounts. Quality takes time, deal with it or move on. Plenty of other stuff to download and play on this site. Meanwhile the rest of us who can actually appreciate what DC and his team have accomplished, will keep adding to their monthly income.

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm still laughing at the notion that no one on the planet can duplicate his art style, as if every comic book, anime, and cartoon isn't made by many artist following style guides. I know porn studios that make less a month than this game and produce significantly more content.

That's mainly because you are laughing about your own strawman. DC never claimed there's nobody out there. He said people could apply (as far as I'm aware there's still a chance even now, if they want), but he's certainly free to reject people he doesn't like and who don't fit his liking, as he did in the past.

Most importantly though: Those things happened 2 years ago.

It's highly unlikely that there'll ever be another artist and you'd have to be beyond dense to think otherwise by now. Sure, a few people (not pointing at anybody here right now) probably continue to complain about it in the future, but at some point they probably should accept that a good number patreons like the game and development as it is?

If you want to support upward striving devs who want to optimze their project and ask for money to do that, there are plenty out there, after all.

 

[Trapezio]

In the end there's never a need to be as extreme, on both sides. Surely DC is earning more by now than the game is objectively worth, but that simply happens as soon as you personally manage to create a good product which has a huge global audience. Nobody is complaining that his/her favourite actor, singer, sportsstar, youtuber, etc. makes a lot of money. He's a guy who is doing his thing on the small scale he likes, who gives the game away for free, and if you like it, you give some money, if not, you don't. It's really that simple and he's not really demanding or promising anything else. If people don't like it that way, it's probably a good idea to simply forget about the game for a year or two and come back at that point. I'd say there's a very good chance that DC will be around and that they'd enjoy the game once again.

Next to that it's actually quite funny to see how long this whole discussion is already going. I still remember the times when people called ICSTOR their hero over here to trash DC:
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You could probably simply reach 1000 pages back and the discussions would basically be the same.

Well, you know, the first time I played SS the author had A daughter. Now he has 3 siblings and SS is far from to be completed.

In the meantime, a lot of things happened, a lot of things changed. New wars, famine and plague. UK left the UE. A new disease is wrecking my country (and the rest of the world, too). The only thing that didn't change is you and that srksrk68 guy always whiteknighting DC whatever, whenever, wherever. Forever?

You're so funny, you know.

 

[srksrk 68]

Hey, lain or tribute mod please? what is better ?

That's totally different mods. You can use both. I never used Lain's, though.

 

[srksrk 68]

Well, you know, the first time I played SS the author had A daughter. Now he has 3 siblings and SS is far from to be completed.

In the meantime, a lot of things happened, a lot of things changed. New wars, famine and plague. UK left the UE. A new disease is wrecking my country (and the rest of the world, too). The only thing that didn't change is you and that srksrk68 guy always whiteknighting DC whatever, whenever, wherever. Forever?

You're so funny, you know.

You should also try looking at the bright side sometimes. Makes you happier

Edit: If I would whithknight him whatever, whenever and wherever, I would not need to fix his bugs. It's not that I don't see room for improvement there.

 

[ZeeN2ss]

That's totally different mods. You can use both. I never used Lain's, though.

I'm using both, keep the good work ! and thanks

 

[dkatryl]

Edit: If I would whithknight him whatever, whenever and wherever, I would not need to fix his bugs. It's not that I don't see room for improvement there.

That does make me curious, why arent you on the team for that very purpose?

As is often brought up every few posts, DC seems to have the income to support the assistance.

 

[Deleted member 426398]

That's mainly because you are laughing about your own strawman. DC never claimed there's nobody out there. He said people could apply (as far as I'm aware there's still a chance even now, if they want), but he's certainly free to reject people he doesn't like and who don't fit his liking, as he did in the past.

No other company doing similar work on the entire planet has this issue. This is strictly a choice for motives I'm not buying are altruistic or artistic.

 

[Oriandu]

You act like he invented the rapist shota archetype. Hell, most porn isn't all about dat ethical consent.

No I don't. I act like sexually assaulting multiple women while they sleep and in at least a couple of cases actually flat out rape one of them is a thing that happens in the game. "But everyone does it" is not an excuse.

 

[srksrk 68]

That does make me curious, why arent you on the team for that very purpose?

As is often brought up every few posts, DC seems to have the income to support the assistance.

Because, like DC, I am doing this for my own. I don't need the money, I do it for myself and I have not problem sharing it.

And I definitly will not work harder or more or faster or hire somebody only because I make 57K a month

 

[ltpika]

No I don't. I act like sexually assaulting multiple women while they sleep and in at least a couple of cases actually flat out rape one of them is a thing that happens in the game. "But everyone does it" is not an excuse.

I guess you didn't see the sister's original sleep scene.

 

[endlust]

I've said this before. I like SS and I think DC has a great amount of talent as a designer. This game is awesome, I've played nearly every version, and DC is the only creator I've supported on Patreon. I love checking in, seeing the growth of the game, and playing each version. Each update reminds me why I used to support him. He is clearly passionate about his game and it shows. So when I see post about him milking his Patreons or being lazy, it makes me sad because that isn't at all indicated in his work. But its also frustrating watching people with frustrations simply be dismissed if they aren't Patreons or because the way they express these frustrations isn't helpful.

That said, each update also reminds me why I stopped supporting DC on Patreon. It came down to the fact I thought he was being very inefficient with the game's development considering the resources he has available. I really started thinking when he switched engines and started redoing stories. We were years into development, he had changed engines or something, got a team, started a studio, and yet there wasn't a core game yet. He's spent years building the branches of a tree without a trunk. At his current rate, it will be a very long time before the game is done. I'm fine with the time. Game's aren't quick to make and I always prefer quality over quantity. However, looking at what he still wants to do, every girl will require 2 or 3 major updates instead of just one with minor tweaks with his method of development. There was no indication it would change in the future then and it still hasn't. Inefficient development is why I dropped and why I think some people are truly frustrated. I'll still play his updates because I do really like DC and SS, but as was suggested by others, I only check once and a while.

To be constructive, I think DC needs to do two things if he intends on finishing this game before the heat death of the universe; Consult/Hire a project specialist since he hasn't found another artist he's comfortable with so he can move into this position, and spend time working on the core of his game (dating for prom, time limit to prom, money goals, and pregnancy). I like that this update is to the main story but this update should be more than just story. He should use this update to implement some core systems and really show us what this game can be.

 

[JacksHoff]

he releases like 2 updates a year and 2 patches for said updates. this <removed> slow as hell and i'm vindicated in my complaints. he's gonna take longer due to global pandemic.

 

[Oriandu]

he releases like 2 updates a year and 2 patches for said updates. this <removed> slow as hell and i'm vindicated in my complaints. he's gonna take longer due to global pandemic.

You are not vindicated in your complaints. You can dislike how the game is being made, you can dislike the speed at which it is being developed, you can whine, bitch, piss, moan, and cry about it all the live long day. However ultimately the people who pay into his patreon are fine with how the game is being made. DC has support and has consistently had that support for years. He rarely misses deadlines, he always updates with a lot of content per update, the work is always high quality, and the team is small. Your whining is not vindicated simply because development of the game is slow.

And no, he's not going to take longer because of the pandemic. He's going to take longer because he just had a kid. Life is more important than the lives you spill into your hand.