Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

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401Grem

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Badjourasmix said:
This argument of DC milking his patrons feels so condescending, like people are so dumb they don't know what they are doing and keep supporting him. Because you don't see value in something it doesn't mean other people can't see value in said thing. If people continue to support him it is because they are happy with what they are getting.
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People are like "it's my right to be concerned on their behalf", No, no it's not.
 
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Omnikuken said:
^ People have been moaning he makes too much $ and he'll lose Patrons if he continues in the same way. Almost 4 years later, his Patron count never went down and is still climbing. Milking at it's finest. Shameless scamlord indeed
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Indeed. I've been here for a couple years and I always saw people complaining he was gonna lose patrons along the way. Truth is he did not. If he delivers what people ask him to do, in the polls, i don't really see the problem.
 
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HalloCharlie said:
Indeed. I've been here for a couple years and I always saw people complaining he was gonna lose patrons along the way. Truth is he did not. If he delivers what people ask him to do, in the polls, i don't really see the problem.
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People who can't make games, criticize those who can.
 
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Badjourasmix said:
This argument of DC milking his patrons feels so condescending, like people are so dumb they don't know what they are doing and keep supporting him. Because you don't see value in something it doesn't mean other people can't see value in said thing. If people continue to support him it is because they are happy with what they are getting.
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j4yj4m said:
I mean, most people will probably look at the actual content and not at the number of updates. I'd totally agree that he should have split the main story into 3 or even 4 updates, given that each update helps a lot in terms of popularity, free advertisements, etc., but it's not like that's going to influence the amount of total content.

Else I'm not sure why one would assume that those who aren't happy with what DC is doing would actually continue to pay. I for example didn't like what happened in the last months and canceled my, anyway just symbolic, pledge for now. I'll play the next update, see how the Ronda stuff is going and possibly repledge after that, if it's as good as one would expect it to be. It takes a few clicks and 5 seconds.

If people care so little about their money that they can't make these very minor adjustments, it's indeed mainly their fault.


Well, the team is at the current size for years now and there's no indication that it would grow. So it's not like DC is asking for more money to hire more people.

I personally don't think it's on patrons to force DC into growing his team to a level he isn't comfortable with. Those who think they don't get enough for their money should just stop pledging and play for free until they feel it's worth some money again. DC, unlike most other devs, totally gives you that option.
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I totally agree with this... I don't care how much DC makes and don't care about how big his team is or how long its gonna take him to update the game. And especially I don't care if people who are supporting him are right or wrong. They have their reason to do so. And why is it so hard for people to understand that when the latest update is offered anyone can download it for free right through his patreon page, even after this if some are willingly paying him then how is he milking his Patreon. They are still supporting the DC and other artists to continue working on their thing. So cheap steak like me can enjoy it. :p I wholeheartedly thank people who selflessly do it or share it here. :D
 
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401Grem said:
People are like "it's my right to be concerned on their behalf", No, no it's not.
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in the end, the question is: Are his patrons happy with what they are getting and by supporting him? If its yea, then OK. But in the end, if you felt like I did at Team Nimbus, then they would have likely moved on by now...
 
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Damn, does anyone know why every time I save and load, the game breaks? repeats incomplete previous events and leaves me trapped in scenarios without being able to leave, basically every time I want to play I must start a game from the begginer, is there any solution?
 
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If a dev is making money and not delivering to the level you want, don't support. It's an individual's choice how they spend money. Other individuals might not agree and want to raise a noise about it. Well, to be frank, that's irrelevant. To be even more frank, no one, least of all the dev, cares. I don't support this dev as I don't think it's good value. That's my opinion. Other's opinions vary. Neither is neccessarily correct, they're just opinions. Whining about it on an internet forum for porn games? Take a step back and have a think how that reflects on you.
 
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Tehemai

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White_T-Poison said:
I'm angry that others give him money? Where did you see that, i juat said that i find it funny that people give him 60k a month and he still needs 4-5 months per update. Take into consideration that some pay 20 or more per month, so basically they pay 240 dollars or more per year for 2 updates. Spend ypur money however you'd like, but i think that if he continues like this he'll lose fans.
And you said "you aren't giving him money", yes for 1 big reason, i don't think that he deserves it for being lazy with the updates, if he'a make an update every 2 months i'd pledge
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I don't think he'll lose fan even if he does slow down as you describe. You're assuming fans make calculation with their head and not their emotions, which has never been the case. There's a reason video game publishers gravitate so heavily to sequels. Fans are loyal to a fault and go to great lengths to rationalize for the brands they've grown to love. And with a system like patreon where you can cultivate batches of such fans with simple patches instead of full releases, it is very easy to accumulate a ton of them.

As long as a popular creator continues to pump out anything, he is not likely to lose pledges even if he slows down. At worst, his growth will be what stagnates. And in some cases, some desperate patreons will actually pump more money into the project thinking it will help speed up development so the occasional slow down could even have the opposite effect.

Mind you, I'm not trying to single out DC for doing this, moreso explain the general phenomenon of how fans of a project and patreon system interact. The very premise of patreon has never been to be cost effective for pledges, so it's kinda foolish to expect them to make decisions on that basis.
 
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Tehemai said:
I don't think he'll lose fan even if he does slow down as you describe. You're assuming fans make calculation with their head and not their emotions, which has never been the case. There's a reason video game publishers gravitate so heavily to sequels. Fans are loyal to a fault and go to great lengths to rationalize for the brands they've grown to love. And with a system like patreon where you can cultivate batches of such fans with simple patches instead of full releases, it is very easy to accumulate a ton of them.

As long as a popular creator continues to pump out anything, he is not likely to lose pledges even if he slows down. At worst, his growth will be what stagnates. And in some cases, some desperate patreons will actually pump more money into the project thinking it will help speed up development.

Mind you, I'm not trying to single out DC for doing this, moreso explain the general phenomenon of how fans of a project and patreon system interact. The very premise of patreon has never been to be cost effective for pledges, so it's kinda foolish to expect them to make decisions on that basis.
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yea i see your point, i think that the perfect example of "fans will still pledge..." is gumdrop games, dude still has patrons meanwhile not updating the game in 2 years
 
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