Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

Seems like DC is still pushing towards that shimaidon conclusion(giving some hope to the post-development incest restoration patch).

This whole situation just shows how nice a choice in Eve's story between Eve and Grace would have been. Now they have basically written themselves into a situation that's pretty much unsolvable until the game is done. Especially since this would indeed be first incest situation which would require them to add quite a bit of content afterwards. All of the family members, Mrs. Johnson, etc. simply need some dialog changes and that's it, while this Eve/Grace situation is certainly harder to solve.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really like that Grace will be stuck in that pretty miserable state for years or possibly forever.

 

[Omnikuken]

You're taking this way too seriously. She slept with her sister's dude. Then what ? Come back the next day and she'll be the same as before and tell you the same thing after you bonk her.

Pretending she's suffering or whatever you feel in that scene does nothing in the long run. Just like Jenny wants to murder your face for getting her preg but jumps on your schlong the moment you ask her.

Or Erik should somehow be sad forever since you took June away from him, when he barely knows she exists and would have never talked to her

 

[Saraf]

This whole situation just shows how nice a choice in Eve's story between Eve and Grace would have been.

That would have necessitated a rewrite of the entire storyline.
There isnt exactly much development between Grace and MC(making even his rather uncharacteristicly aggressive approach in the new scene feel a bit off).
Whats more,I dont think that was ever in the cards in the first place.
DC was pretty open about the intentions of the route pre-fallout and for better or worse he seems to stick to his guns.

Now they have basically written themselves into a situation that's pretty much unsolvable until the game is done. Especially since this would indeed be first incest situation which would require them to add quite a bit of content afterwards. All of the family members, Mrs. Johnson, etc. simply need some dialog changes and that's it, while this Eve/Grace situation is certainly harder to solve.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really like that Grace will be stuck in that pretty miserable state for years or possibly forever.

I wouldnt go that far.
You can still solve the situation with a sharing route(or a choice but I highly doubt that considering the circumstances)without actively promoting a witchhunt(well technically anyway,with them you never know).
Just direct interactions of the two is definately off the table for the foreseeable future.
Not a perfect solution by any means but I will take the prospect of retaining some of the original idea in the future(as much as is even possible after the complete Eve rewrite likely for the sake of the d-addition)over a quick and immediate solution.

 

[j4yj4m]

You're taking this way too seriously. She slept with her sister's dude. Then what ? Come back the next day and she'll be the same as before and tell you the same thing after you bonk her.

Pretending she's suffering or whatever you feel in that scene does nothing in the long run. Just like Jenny wants to murder your face for getting her preg but jumps on your schlong the moment you ask her.

I think you are actually the one who is taking all of this way too seriously by now and you shouldn't read more into my words than what I'm actually saying. I just said that I disagree with a very small aspect of their writing, nothing more and nothing less.

Edit:

That would have necessitated a rewrite of the entire storyline.
There isnt exactly much development between Grace and MC(making even his rather uncharacteristicly aggressive approach in the new scene feel a bit off).
Whats more,I dont think that was ever in the cards in the first place.
DC was pretty open about the intentions of the route pre-fallout and for better or worse he seems to stick to his guns.

Oh sure, that choice should have been in Eve's route from the start. Now it's too late and they certainly won't change it. But they'll have to live with these consequences now.

I wouldnt go that far.
You can still solve the situation with a sharing route...

Yes, they can do that but my point was that there's no chance for that to happen as long as they are actually working on the game, which is pretty much a first. All the other cliffhangers/hints they added, like the Eve/Odette cemetary threesome, Ross/Mia, the Tony/Maria scene (which will now happen), etc. were realisitc, while this one isn't really...

At last I don't believe that DC will put that much effort into the game once it's actually finished and when he's already working on his next project. Changing a few assets and having his team rewrite dialogs? Sure. Adding actual content? I really don't know...

 

[Omnikuken]

..... stuff
(as much as is even possible after the complete Eve rewrite likely for the sake of the d-addition)over a quick and immediate solution.

The wut ? The only rewrite you might get is when/if/maybe DC goes back to wincest once the game is done in 10+ years. Other than that, it'll be some wonky stuff like we're getting now stacked on top of previous wonky stuff from older builds.

 

[Saraf]

Yes, they can do that but my point was that there's no chance for that to happen as long as they are actually working on the game, which is pretty much a first. All the other cliffhangers they added, like the Eve/Odette cemetary threesome, Ross/Maria, the tony/maria scene (which will now happen), etc. were realisitc, while this one isn't really...

Why shouldnt a sharing route be possible right now?
Did patreon pop some new rules Im unaware of?

The wut ? The only rewrite you might get is when/if/maybe DC goes back to wincest once the game is done in 10+ years. Other than that, it'll be some wonky stuff like we're getting now stacked on top of previous wonky stuff from older builds.

?
I meant her character was rewritten for her route,not that she will be rewritten in the future.
Otherwise not really sure what you are going for.

 

[j4yj4m]

Why shouldnt a sharing route be possible right now?
Did patreon pop some new rules Im unaware of?

Hm? They are sisters and as such actual sharing is not an option or patreon may ban the game because of incest. Unless you want to say that Eve should be fine with MC fucking other women when she's not around. In that case I'd say it would diminish her whole plot pretty substancially and I hope they won't go down that route.

 

[Saraf]

Hm? They are sisters and as such actual sharing is not an option or patreon may ban the game. Unless you want to say that Eve should be fine with MC fucking other women when she's not around. In that case I'd say it would diminish her whole plot pretty substancially and I hope they won't go down that route.

Yeah I was thinking of the latter(the actual sharing in the in best case scenario being reserved for that magical unicorn post-release update).
Considering how heavily Odette keeps hinting towards it there seems to be some author intention behind the message(admittedly there is a point to be made about how that might just be Odette´s character being set up for later drama but...considering the light-hearted nature of the narrative I somewhat doubt that).
Probably important to keep in mind that(at last as far as Eve is concerned,the main plot sadly forcing the MC into cheating being another topic)its not just "other women" but her sister who Eve has repeatedly said she wants to see happy so I dont really see how that would diminish her plotline(going by hentai logic anyway).

 

[libertypics]

I've just kind of given up on this version of it, not sure why it gives the loading pop up then quits without opening the game but they aren't answering people with that problem on their patron either. Hopefully it's fixed by the next version.

 

[j4yj4m]

Yeah I was thinking of the latter(the actual sharing in the in best case scenario being reserved for that magical unicorn post-release update).
Considering how heavily Odette keeps hinting towards it there seems to be some author intention behind the message(admittedly there is a point to be made about how that might just be Odette´s character being set up for later drama but...considering the light-hearted nature of the narrative I somewhat doubt that).
Probably important to keep in mind that(at last as far as Eve is concerned,the main plot sadly forcing the MC into cheating being another topic)its not just "other women" but her sister who Eve has repeatedly said she wants to see happy so I dont really see how that would diminish her plotline(going by hentai logic anyway).

I personally don't really like the this whole "hentai/porn logic" thing to be honest, because it often simply leads bad and lazy stories. In the end they invested a lot of story time to build and develop Eve's character and her relationship with MC, to have this really nice and sweet romance and it just seems too far out of character to me. You'd need a lot of dialog and the outcome would probably still be far from good.

As said, I fully agree that the current situation isn't good, but a I don't really see a good way out, either. It's almost tragic that the new scene kinda made it even worse compared to how it was before. But yeah, just writing something to have an ending that's not totally bad seems rather unworthy to me. But that may just be my opinion which is just as good as anybody else's.

 

[Dragon59]

I personally don't really like the this whole "hentai/porn logic" thing to be honest, because it often simply leads bad and lazy stories. In the end they invested a lot of story time to build and develop Eve's character and her relationship with MC, to have this really nice and sweet romance and it just seems too far out of character to me. You'd need a lot of dialog and the outcome would probably still be far from good.

As said, I fully agree that the current situation isn't good, but a I don't really see a good way out, either. It's almost tragic that the new scene kinda made it even worse compared to how it was before. But yeah, just writing something to have an ending that's not totally bad seems rather unworthy to me. But that may just be my opinion which is just as good as anybody else's.

We are still left with the "porn physics" where someone 3-6 feet away can neither hear nor smell that sex is happening.
The curtain between between Eve's room and the common room, must be heavily soundproofed for her not to hear what has been going on potentially every weekend.

The same holds with Debbie and Jenny when one or the other is in the very next room with an open passageway.

That said, it's not just "hentai/porn logic." I've known a number of people in the polyamory community who embrace the sharing the love attitude.

 

[Omnikuken]

I've just kind of given up on this version of it, not sure why it gives the loading pop up then quits without opening the game but they aren't answering people with that problem on their patron either. Hopefully it's fixed by the next version.

Game takes a while to start, let it run for a bit. At least now, you got the splash screen telling you it's actually doing something. Unless you're on Android, in which case, suffering is a good option. Or changing to a better phone/PC

 

[libertypics]

Game takes a while to start, let it run for a bit. At least now, you got the splash screen telling you it's actually doing something. Unless you're on Android, in which case, suffering is a good option. Or changing to a better phone/PC

We're not talking wait a minute or two, we're saying doesn't start period. At least 2 others here have mentioned the same problem, I'm not looking through every page since this version posted so probably more, and on the patreon at least 3 people mentioned it in the comments, again wasn't looking through all 150+ comments so probably more. Last version opens fine in <15 seconds.

 

[mr.ed007]

Can we knock Roxxy up yet?

 

[Fap2DragonGirls]

Is it weird that I would like for Eve to still be able to get pregnant even if you pick the Trans route ?

yeah because that's not how biology works

 

[Saraf]

I personally don't really like the this whole "hentai/porn logic" thing to be honest, because it often simply leads bad and lazy stories. In the end they invested a lot of story time to build and develop Eve's character and her relationship with MC, to have this really nice and sweet romance and it just seems too far out of character to me. You'd need a lot of dialog and the outcome would probably still be far from good.

As said, I fully agree that the current situation isn't good, but a I don't really see a good way out, either. It's almost tragic that the new scene kinda made it even worse compared to how it was before. But yeah, just writing something to have an ending that's not totally bad seems rather unworthy to me. But that may just be my opinion which is just as good as anybody else's.

Hm dunno,feels like you are putting the relationship on a specific pedestal which in turn colors your view of Eve´s character.
She hasnt spoken out against the idea(on the contrary,Odette hints towards her being okay with it at last in the constraints of it being her sister)and its not like strict monogamity is a theme that fueled their relationship in the first place.
Out of curiosity,what kind of development and dialogue would you expect for this narrative turn to be warranted?

 

[jestertlw]

We're not talking wait a minute or two, we're saying doesn't start period. At least 2 others here have mentioned the same problem, I'm not looking through every page since this version posted so probably more, and on the patreon at least 3 people mentioned it in the comments, again wasn't looking through all 150+ comments so probably more. Last version opens fine in <15 seconds.

I took 4-5 minutes to scroll through posts back to #57,789 when v0.20.11 was announced. So far, you are the only one mentioning this problem here. Some questions:

1. Have you turned the computer off and on again?
2. Have you completely removed the previous game version?
3. Have you checked the traceback log for report?
4. What, if any, mods/patches are you running within the game?
5. If you are running mods/patches, have you tried running the game "clean?"
6. Which platform - Win/Linux/Mac/Droid?
7. Which version of OS?
8. Have you installed all required updates for the OS?
9. Where are you placing the file folder on your computer? (desktop, in a top-level folder, or a folder within a folder within a folder within ... ad infinitum)
10. How much available HD space?
11. How much RAM installed?
12. How old is your computer?
13. What video card/how old is the video card?
14. Are your video drivers updated?
15. Have you removed previous save folders/files? - I put this last because many players go crazy when suggesting this.

 

[Omnikuken]

Just pointing out that #3 won't happen if the game fails to even start. Traceback only appears if the code fails at something it was expecting, the game not starting altogether isn't gonna make it write, since the engine isn't even loaded/working

 

[jestertlw]

Just pointing out that #3 won't happen if the game fails to even start. Traceback only appears if the code fails at something it was expecting, the game not starting altogether isn't gonna make it write, since the engine isn't even loaded/working

I'm just going through processes to check. Sometimes something starts, loads, and crashes when someone isn't fully paying attention and then successive tries just load the splash screen (or nothing at all) without the game starting. So a traceback log can exist in scenario similar to that.

 

[trolaro]

guys how trigger deppie new scene?