Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[storm1051787]

Because I've been following this game from close to the beginning and I know that the main story was basically "just another update" for DC and really nothing out of the ordinary. You are the one who are claiming that it's something big, when it really isn't and wasn't intended to be.

So? Your trying to say that something called the "MAIN STORY" isn't big. As if it literally isn't what 80% of the content revolved around. It may seem like just another update to you but it wasn't to most people following, and I doubt it was ever considered ust another update to DC either

stories for Ronda, Judith and Annie, about complete, full reworks of Mia, Erik, Debbie and the teachers stories. Of addons to Diane's and Roxxy's story, etc.

I mean that's my point. 3 side characters who arent popular and redoing old content that was already finished but that the devolper isn't satisfied with. If most what to do is to remake something that already exists I'm going to say it's mostly complete.

DC doesn't have to rework it. Those stories are finish. They decided that they could do better so they redid it. But they could release it the finished game without reworking those stories and nobody would say those story lines felt incomplete because they werent.


If you remake a movie that doesn't mean the original movie was incomplete

Any reasonable person would expect the things to be added which have been promised. You don't stop when you've technically delivered something that's somehow feasible, claiming you've done it.

You are actually the one who is arguing with some kind of "cutting corners" mentality for what ever reason.

I'm sorry did you actually see me say the game was finish? No I said it was mostly finished. And that all that's left is relatively minor compared to what's already in the game. It's like the toppings on a pizza. The pizza can still be considered finish without toppings but adding toppings makes it better. No I'm not arguing some sort of "cutting corners" mentality. It's literally the exact opposite. DC just decided to take his time to polish it, but compared to most games it's has enough content already to be considered complete and that's something to be proud of. Not to constantly whine claimg it's being milked



And by the way. Most of what was promised is already there. That's my whole point

 

[j4yj4m]

So? Your trying to say that something called the "MAIN STORY" isn't big. As if it literally isn't what 80% of the content revolved around.

Yes, It's really just semantics. Realistically they'd have better called it "MC's dad update" "the bad guys update" or so. And no, it's certainly not 80% of the content, but just a frame to provide some purpose to MC. The game would have been boring without that kind of background story otherwise. The core of the game are the school girls and the family. Isn't that made obvious by the fact alone, that none of the "main story" related female characters are main girls?

I mean that's my point. 3 side characters who arent popular and redoing old content that was already finished but that the devolper isn't satisfied. If most what to do is to remake something that already exists I'm going to say it's mostly complete.

You may say that (again and agian) it's not DC's position though. And that's what counts, right?

DC doesn't have to rework it. Those stories are finish. They decided that they could do better so they redid it. But they could release it the finished game without reworking those stories and nobody would say those story lines felt incomplete because they werent.

I really hope you don't have that kind of attitude in real life. I really wouldn't want to do business with you. And next to that you are really wrong on this (see below).

If you remake a movie that doesn't mean the original movie was incomplete

You do, if you knew right away that what you produce wasn't supposed to be the final version. Mia and Erik for example were always supposed to get another update and it's been clear for more than 3 years by now that everything will be reworked. The same is true for Debbie and even Diane, where it was clear that she'd get another update. That's just the facts.

I'm sorry did you actually see me say the game was finish? No I said it was mostly finished. And that all that's left is relatively minor compared to what's already in the game.

You can repeat that ten times more and it's still not a good, fact based opinion. Sorry.

Edit:

And by the way. Most of what was promised is already there. That's my whole point

The problem seems to be that you just assume what DC may or may not have promised, while you disregard his actual promises.

 

[storm1051787]

Yes, It's really just semantics. Realistically they'd have better called it "MC's dad update" "the bad guys update" or so. And no, it's certainly not 80% of the content, but just a frame to provide some purpose to MC. The game would have been boring without that kind of background story otherwise. The core of the game are the school girls and the family. Isn't that made obvious by the fact alone, that none of the main story related female characters are main girls?

The main story is 3 times longer than any other route, introduces you to several other characters, is the backdrop for the game and despite what you just said it does overlap with the main girls routes unless you just consider Eve to be the main girl.

You may say that (again and agian) it's not DC's position though. And that's what counts, right?

You can say that again and again. I don't care. I'm looking at the content from a consumer point of view and not a developer. A developer should always strive to make things bigger and better as that's part of the job of any content creator. But as a consumer that's not nessary. What's necessary as a consumer is if I can play this and be satisfied with what's already here without feeling as though something is incomplete. And with the exception of a few things I'd say that's pretty much the case here.

If DC wants to add more because they feel like they can make it bigger and better if they do that's great but it's not nessasary. Again looking at other games a road map is generally stuff like DLC content or events that are added after the game is complete but aren't considered vital to the game itself. Basically extra stuff to enhance, but this game already has more content than most completed games on this site and the major routes are already wrapped up

You do, if you knew right away that what you produce wasn't supposed to be the final version. Mia and Erik for example were always supposed to get another update and it's been clear for more than 3 years by now that everything will be reworked. The same is true for Debbie and even Diane, where it was clear that she'd get another update. That's just the facts.

You dont release stuff that isn't supposed to be the final version. DC adding extra content to pre existing scenes fine but knowing the second it's released that you are going to completely rewrite it wasnt on ayn roadmap.

You can repeat that ten times more and it's still not a good, fact baed opinion. Sorry.

And you can tell me I'm wrong 10 more times. It's not going to change anything. You put more emphasis on what little content is left than what most people actually care about because it's not the content that you want.


The two options is you can either keep telling me I'm wrong until the mods get tired of the petty argument and remove it for being off topic or we can act like adults and agree to have differing opinions. Because I doubt you really care that strongly about the issue in the first place, you are essentially just arguing to argue.

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm a bit short on time, so I'll have to make it short.

The main story is 3 times longer than any other route, introduces you to several other characters, is the backdrop for the game and despite what you just said it does overlap with the main girls routes unless you just consider Eve to be the main girl.

Look at the history of these updates and you'll understand. As said, the fact that none of the main girls do have any scene connection to the main story tells you everything you need to know.

You can say that again and again. I don't care. I'm looking at the content from a consumer point of view and not a developer. A developer should always strive to make things bigger and better as that's part of the job of any content creator. But as a consumer that's not nessary. What's necessary as a consumer is if I can play this and be satisfied with what's already here without feeling as though something is incomplete. And with the exception of a few things I'd say that's pretty much the case here.

It's fine if you as an outsider are safisfied. The people/patrons who pay (for his content and promises) almost certainly aren't and they are the one DC has to answer to.

If DC wants to add more because they feel like they can make it bigger and better if they do that's great but it's not nessasary.

It is, because he has been promising it for many years.

You dont release stuff that isn't supposed to be the final version. DC adding extra content to pre existing scenes fine but knowing the second it's released that you are going to completely rewrite it wasnt on ayn roadmap.

Welcome to indie development, because in part that's what happened since he had to release updates.

Because I doubt you really care that strongly about the issue in the first place, you are essentially just arguing to argue.

Me? You are the one who doesn't seem to know know much about the game and its history, but try to push an opinon over here.

 

[DieselX99990]

There is no ntr at all in the game and that's super out of character for both of them.

Thanks a lot, I'm so relieved

 

[itsyeboii]

What irony? I'm the one that keep saying you can disagree. Sorry if I'm being rude here but I honestly don't care. We all have opinions. I just don't care for the fact you need to call be back to the thread just to insist that my opinion is wrong.

The second part about the irony is for the other guy. I quoted two people in one message. And feel free to not care.

 

[srksrk 68]

When this game will be complete? Just wanna play it completely

That is so typical for the audience around here. The whole two pages of this thread proceeding your post is about if and when the game will be completed, and then you come posting this. Are you sure you even read the answer?

You can safely play the game as it is now, nothing is left open (at least not too open). But it's not yet finished.

 

[Sthr ▚ nix]

When this game will be complete? Just wanna play it completely

Check this thread again when the MCU is going to the next saga.

 

[itsyeboii]

Please. You're taking this personal. And you're saying you aren't "annoyed or bent out of shape" does not change the perception that the tone of your writing gives that impression in this conversation.

As for the irony - take that as you wish. I can see how someone might think that. But the irony goes both ways -- you're riding this one trick pony pretty far.

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I've been following this game since the near beginning (nothing to brag about I know lol), so seeing someone claim the game is pretty much done while it really isn't will get a confrontational reply out of me. A bit unwarranted I'll give you that.

I can't be arsed to write more so just watch j4yj4m 's posts above me, they explain it all pretty well.

 

[srksrk 68]

Dude you brought a road map to try to claim it's not half way done after insisting a prom plot, which was only mentioned briefly in the intro and never again, was more important than the main storyline of the game itself. That seems pretty defensive. Of course i'd say a game was mostly done after the main story is finish i'd say it;s the same for any game. If you actually bothered to look that road map you'd see that there really isn't much to add besides technical details. Most of the characters have routes .The primary storyline is done. Everything else is literally just add a pregnancy option and rework old scenes and add some mini games.


It's fine if the dev has more stuff planned and they arent statisfied. But I cant think ofwhy any reasonable person wouldn't think the game is mostly done if they played what's already there. Sorry I ust don't consider minor characters to be important when i look at completion value.


I'm comparing this to a regular video game. Like if this was skyrim. The main story is done and all that's left to do is add in a few side quest and dungeons around to world so you aren't bored. The developer might not be satisficed but it's fine for the casual gamer. I also don't think DC is constantly insisting that this isn't done just that they arent satisfied with the current level of work

Bro, you should stop projecting your own personal opinion onto the community as a whole. Your last sentence says it: "I don't think...". Yet you constantly assume that everybody must share your thoughts. *You* can't think of why any reasonable person wouldn't think the game is mostly done. *You* don't consider minor characters to be important.

I personally hope the game has a long history of future updates yet to come. Yes, a house may be considered complete if it has four walls and a roof. But then comes the wall papers, the carpets, the furnitures, and finally the people living in there.

 

[Deleted member 205331]

...Besides Ronda who else is left that people really care about. So yeah it's still mostly done...

So yeah I still consider it mostly done... no prom storyline even though I don't think that many people care at all about it...

Stop projecting your own opinions onto others, mate. I care about the prom storyline. I personally don't care for Ronda at all. I am more interested in Principal's Story Arc, the Donut Shop lady Beth and Judith, the Latinas and of course, Lucy.

 

[storm1051787]

I'm a bit short on time, so I'll have to make it short.

Look at the history of these updates and you'll understand. As said, the fact that none of the main girls do have any scene connection to the main story tells you everything you need to know.


It's fine if you as an outsider are safisfied. The people/patrons who pay (for his content and promises) almost certainly aren't and they are the one DC has to answer to.


It is, because he has been promising it for many years.


Welcome to indie development, because in part that's what happened since he had to release updates.


Me? You are the one who doesn't seem to know know much about the game and its history, but try to push an opinon over here.

I've been following the game sinice the beginning. I know about the history up the update and what you just said is blantly wong. The main questline is the back drop of the game and is far longer than any other storyline of course it's a big deal.

It's fine if you as an outsider are safisfied. The people/patrons who pay (for his content and promises) almost certainly aren't and they are the one DC has to answer to.

I'm not an outsider. I'm just not a developer. I'm a consumer and what's already in the game is enough to be considered a finished game based on whats already on most of this site

Bro, you should stop projecting your own personal opinion onto the community as a whole. Your last sentence says it: "I don't think...". Yet you constantly assume that everybody must share your thoughts. *You* can't think of why any reasonable person wouldn't think the game is mostly done. *You* don't consider minor characters to be important.

I personally hope the game has a long history of future updates yet to come. Yes, a house may be considered complete if it has four walls and a roof. But then comes the wall papers, the carpets, the furnitures, and finally the people living in there.

Again sorry for .being blunt here but I can't see why any reasonable person wouldn't say they. It's a code of paint. It's important and a lot of work but but it's not nearly as important as what's already there.

The plumming works, the walls are up and the heating works, and everything is water tight. All that's left to do is make it more presentable. Not that it isn't a lot of work but even in your analogy most of the work is already


done.

Stop projecting your own opinions onto others, mate. I care about the prom storyline. I personally don't care for Ronda at all. I am more interested in Principal's Story Arc, the Donut Shop lady Beth and Judith, the Latinas and of course, Lucy.

And you are in the extereme minority that do. When it comes to the point that those storylines are so minor that most people don't remember they exist then they arent really that improtant. Sorry If it's not the content you want. It doesnt mean the game isn't mostly done. Because it is. Why most of the recent updates are tech updates

 

[Deleted member 205331]

..And you are in the extereme* minority that do...

again, according to YOU. again, stop projecting your own opinions onto others. at this point, your posts are extremely comical. Do you really believe that the Principal and Annie fans and most importantly Judith's fans are (according) to YOU are in "extreme minority" you're out of your mind. get yourself checked, mate.

 

[storm1051787]

again, according to YOU. again, stop projecting your own opinions onto others. at this point, your posts are extremely comical. Do you really believe that the Principal and Annie fans and most importantly Judith's fans are (according) to YOU are in "extreme minority" you're out of your mind. get yourself checked, mate.

No, not according to me. There is a reason why the characters that are remaining don't already have content. They aren't popular. There have been polls for which character gets development for years. You might care about them but the poll results show most people don't. Yes they are in the minority. They are supplementary meant to enhance what's already there but aren't vital

 

[Count Morado]

(more popcorn, please)

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm not going to repeat what I've said above.

The plumming works, the walls are up and the heating works, and everything is water tight. All that's left to do is make it more presentable. Not that it isn't a lot of work but even in your analogy most of the work is already


done.

Again, this isn't how patreon development works.

You promise X and you deliver X, because that's what (some) people are giving you money for. You don't get to pretend that Y is fine too, especially not if it's like 60% of the X you promised. It's really that simple.

So no, it's not done by any reasonable standard and it really doesn't matter, if some random dude, who is playing the game, may think it's ok like it is.

And you are in the extereme minority that do. When it comes to the point that those storylines are so minor that most people don't remember they exist then they arent really that improtant. Sorry If it's not the content you want. It doesnt mean the game isn't mostly done. Because it is. Why most of the recent updates are tech updates

I can only repeat what others said. If you want to make sure, just join DC's stream tomorrow and ask him, what he thinks about the game being close to be done.

 

[storm1051787]

I'm not going to repeat what I've said above.

Again, this isn't how patreon development works.

You promise X and you deliver X, because that's what people are giving you money for. You don't get to pretend that Y is fine too, especially not if it's like 60% of what you promised.

So no, it's not done by any reasonable standard and it really doesn't matter if some random dude who is playing the game may think it's ok like it is.


I can only repeat what others said. If you want to make sure just join DC's stream tomorrow and ask him, what he thinks about the game being done.

Patreon has polls for what gets what content. If 80% of the work is done and all that's left is the work that people have showed the less interest in as well as polishing pre existing content. Then again it's mostly done. That's reasonable. And once more I never said it's finished but that it's mostly complete and what's left is minor compared to what's already there.


Don't see what your problem is. I'm not saying it's finished even though x and y arent done. I said it's mostly complete bcause all that's left is x and y. DC already delivered most of what the patreons wanted even if it's not what you wanted.


The problem is you keep acting as if I'm saying the game is complete because you are upset that the content that you msotly care about isn't there, but that's not what I'm actually said if you took time to read my replies. Mostly does not mean complete. Mostly means the majority of it is complete

 

[j4yj4m]

....

I don't want to repeat what I've said again and again. Few people will agree with you and that's fine. Everybody else will expect DC to deliver what's (actually) been promised in full before considering it being done.

 

[storm1051787]

ll before considering it being done.

I'm tired of repeating myself. I'm not saying it's done. I never said it's done


Mostly means more than half/the majority/ the greater sum/ the main content



You guys have terrible reading comphesion.. You keep acting like I'm saying the game is finished. I should have to stress what I mean jsut because none of you know what the word mostly means.

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm tired of repeating myself. I'm not saying it's done. I never said it's done


Mostly means more than half/the majority/ the greater sum/ the main content

You started at 90% a few pages back and now you've reached "more than half". Yes, more than half is fine to me. So I guess we agree.