annofrog

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I'm curious, what is so different about the way this game is coded that makes it shit it self if you rollback, while other Ren'py games, even sandbox ones don't?
 
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itsyeboii

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if Eve is trans, can you bottom for her yet?
You can suck her dick IIRC, but that's as far as it goes for now. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get a bottom scene in a couple years : )))
This game isn't about incest. They added it initially to get attention but they barely do anything with it anymore. Really a shame because it could've been great but now years later it's just meh.
When Debbie and Diane finally get their reworks, I'm done with the game. So much potential wasted on bland characters, but hey it isn't my game.
 

Omnikuken

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This game isn't about incest. They added it initially to get attention but they barely do anything with it anymore. Really a shame because it could've been great but now years later it's just meh.
Yeah, imagine either putting wincest on 3 girls for mostly nothing or risking losing the entire Patreon page cause you put wincest on 3 girls. Tough choice indeed
 

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Yeah, imagine either putting wincest on 3 girls for mostly nothing or risking losing the entire Patreon page cause you put wincest on 3 girls. Tough choice indeed
Imagine figuring out configurable relationships left up to the player to fill, something many other devs somehow managed to implement in their Patreon-approved games.
 

itsyeboii

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Yeah, imagine either putting wincest on 3 girls for mostly nothing or risking losing the entire Patreon page cause you put wincest on 3 girls. Tough choice indeed
Are you for real??? There's so many games that have the landlady angle or the choose your relationship option without any issue. Literally no one is expecting DC to blatantly put incest into the game, just more "house" content so other people can patch it into it's intended form.
 

Omnikuken

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Imagine figuring out configurable relationships left up to the player to fill, something many other devs somehow managed to implement in their Patreon-approved games.
So what stops you or any1 around here to call them mom/sis when you start a new game ?
Are you for real??? There's so many games that have the landlady angle or the choose your relationship option without any issue. Literally no one is expecting DC to blatantly put incest into the game, just more "house" content so other people can patch it into it's intended form.
Intended form that lasted a bit more than a year
 

itsyeboii

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So what stops you or any1 around here to call them mom/sis when you start a new game ?
Intended form that lasted a bit more than a year
Calling them mom/sis is a half assed solution, other characters call them mom/sis as well, even themselves, and Diane doesn't even have that option.
Intended form that lasted a bit more than a year
Way to ignore the actual point. But even your strawman doesn't make sense. Debbie and Diane are literal twins, MC looks like both of them and so does Jenny and Debbie's relationship with MC's father makes way more sense as mommy and daddy rather than a "very good friend". So yes, it's safe to say it is the intended form.
 
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j4yj4m

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Imagine figuring out configurable relationships left up to the player to fill, something many other devs somehow managed to implement in their Patreon-approved games.
Which honestly isn't really a good thing, because you almost completely rely on the player to get these relationships 100% right or you'll ruin your own game - unless you implement illegal background mechanics which put a few things right, of course. I still recall playing "Light of my life" for the first time and to me it felt really off on default, so I actually had to restart the game to add the incest because it seemed kinda stupid without it.

A proper patch is certainly the preferable solution, as everything else is usually just not as good.

Literally no one is expecting DC to blatantly put incest into the game, just more "house" content so other people can patch it into it's intended form.
Let's be fair, there were quite a few polls in which characters like Debbie simply lost to others. It's hard to argue that players want that kind of content so badly, when only so few people are voting for it. Debbie literally came 5th in the 0.23 poll behind Judith, the Coach(!), Roxxy and Mia, while she indeed came in last in the poll which chose the content for 0.20.
So it's not like it wasn't on offer several times, people just didn't want to see it.
 

itsyeboii

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Let's be fair, there were quite a few polls in which characters like Debbie simply lost to others. It's hard to argue that players want that kind of content so badly, when only so few people are voting for it. Debbie literally came 5th in the 0.23 poll behind Judith, the Coach(!), Roxxy and Mia.
So it's not like it wasn't on offer several times, people just didn't want to see it.
I know and I wasn't arguing they were popular demand. I'm arguing that people who want incest content don't expect DC to add blatant incest but to add non-incest house content like every other dev does and we can then download a patch.

EDIT: the poll results of Patrons don't necessarily reflect what the community wants. High paying Patrons get more votes and most of the Patrons pay less than the amount that lets them vote once, let alone multiple times. So it's really up to a small percentage of fans to decide content.
 

j4yj4m

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I know and I wasn't arguing they were popular demand. I'm arguing that people who want incest content don't expect DC to add blatant incest but to add non-incest house content like every other dev does and we can then download a patch.
Well, it's happening at times, at least. Then again, characters like Jenny have simply reached a point where there's objectively enough content and where they don't really need that anything else.

But yes, it's indeed true that popluar demand kinda shaped this whole discussion. At first incest was pretty popular and as such quite a few updates focussed on the family because of that. It caused some people think that SS was actually about incest, when it was never really intended to be that way in the first place.
 

Stil996

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Let's be fair, there were quite a few polls in which characters like Debbie simply lost to others. It's hard to argue that players want that kind of content so badly, when only so few people are voting for it. Debbie literally came 5th in the 0.23 poll behind Judith, the Coach(!), Roxxy and Mia, while she indeed came in last in the poll which chose the content for 0.20.
So it's not like it wasn't on offer several times, people just didn't want to see it.
lets be fair, saying that she came low in the polls doesn't mean shit, it just meant people didn't want her the way she was currently written, without the taboo angle Debbie is boring as shit, she needs to be forbidden fruit to be interesting, there needs to be reluctance/shame to add flavour to her story.

Just my two cents
 

itsyeboii

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Well, it's happening at times, at least. Then again, characters like Jenny have simply reached a point where there's objectively enough content and where they don't really need that anything else.

But yes, it's indeed true that popluar demand kinda shaped this whole discussion. At first incest was pretty popular and as such quite a few updates focussed on the family because of that. It caused some people think that SS was actually about incest, when it was never really intended to be that way in the first place.
Sorry but I just don't see how incest isn't a main selling point for SS. Like I previously said, it's clear that the house is still intended to be incest because alikeness of the characters and the context of their relationship to each other. The main quest revolves around finding out about your dad, who is family and is directly tied to Debbie and Jenny. SS still has a lot of the tropes many incest focused games have. Sure, incest isn't the sole focus but it sure as hell is an important part of the game.

About the popular demand I added this, which is a good counter point imo
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EDIT: the poll results of Patrons don't necessarily reflect what the community wants. High paying Patrons get more votes and most of the Patrons pay less than the amount that lets them vote once, let alone multiple times. So it's really up to a small percentage of fans to decide content.
And Stil996 makes a good point as well.
 
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