Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[itsyeboii]

Yes, it is a statistic you can build an argument on. I don't know what business background you have or where you are founding your beliefs on, but they do not exist in the real world.

DC's livelihood, and that of his staff, are dependent on the contributions of patreons. Therefore, in order to maintain, or increase, that aspect - it is in the best interest of the development team to address those options provided that are most supported by those who contribute to that livelihood. It does DC no good to get input from those who do not subscribe which may, or may not, influence the outcome of those polls. If voters who are not subscribed overrule those who do subscribe and DC follows it, it can cause 'buyers remorse" as well as increase the sense of futility in donating (i.e. "why should I contribute if people who don't can overrule the wants of those do contribute"). And should enough of that feeling pervade the subscribers, DC could see the number of patrons decrease and therefore his livelihood - and those of his staff - become less secure.

Before you say "well, if people who aren't subscribed were able to vote and their desires prevailed, DC could look at a potential of increased income from new subscribers" - while this is a good hypothesis, there isn't much validity. It goes to the old "bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." And again, you're putting your nut over the food on the table of the development team. If you want to influence the content based upon the options made available in polls, subscribe to vote.

I've said multiple times that there's nothing wrong with DC giving votes out to Patrons who pay, for the exact reason you just gave. I think in the past I've argued that votes could be free and that DC could benefit from it, but I was wrong because it's probably a less viable system and there's also voter fraud to worry about with bots, although I still think votes can be handed out to lower tier Patrons and give higher tier Patrons an extra vote, but that's really a small thought in the back of my head, it really doesn't matter. DC has all the right to incentivize people to become Patrons.

My notion that it's not a representative of what the majority of fans want came from people calling it public demand some time ago and now I used it again in my discussion with j4yj4m saying I'd prefer DC taking the reigns and potentially having a more organic development cycle, rather than having disjointed updates determined by a minority of Patrons, although that's based on absolutely nothing and is more wishful thinking. We were just making conversation at that point.

Then your friend Omnikuken compared apples to oranges and we talked about democracy for a bit. And now you come in guns blazing talking about DC's business incentive, which is a completely different avenue. I'll grant you that "It's not really a statistic you can build any argument on." is a pretty bad way of wording it but in the context of the conversation it kind of makes sense.

And I would never put my nut over the devs food that's disgusting, unless they like that, then they can call me.

 

[FlyingPony]

I'd prefer DC taking the reigns and potentially having a more organic development cycle, rather than having disjointed updates determined by a minority of Patrons

Initially when Dev said voting, I thought "here is my plan for a future update but I have time to add a couple of scenes for the most voted char". But at this point it is what it is.

 

[itsyeboii]

Initially when Dev said voting, I thought "here is my plan for a future update but I have time to add a couple of scenes for the most voted char". But at this point it is what it is.

Nah, Patrons get to vote which character's update is next through polls, granted they pay enough to get a vote(s). It doesn't matter much tho, assuming DC will finish the game and development being pretty much the same as if he would develop the game in his own order/pace.

 

[FlyingPony]

Nah, Patrons get to vote which character's update is next through polls, granted they pay enough to get a vote(s). It doesn't matter much tho, assuming DC will finish the game and development being pretty much the same as if he would develop the game in his own order/pace.

I meant initially, way back when.

 

[Omnikuken]

Initially when Dev said voting, I thought "here is my plan for a future update but I have time to add a couple of scenes for the most voted char". But at this point it is what it is.

I meant initially, way back when.

I don't think it was ever hinted at something like you said. Even the 1st time he polled for something, it was always "you dudes vote who you want made, I'll do what I want with it afterwards". Ish

 

[FlyingPony]

I don't think it was ever hinted at something like you said. Even the 1st time he polled for something, it was always "you dudes vote who you want made, I'll do what I want with it afterwards". Ish

You said the same thing I did. Ish

here is my plan for a future update ≈ I'll do what I want
you dudes vote who you want made ≈ I'll add a couple of scenes for your char.

 

[Noneknows]

do i need to do something or it's already with ( Patches:

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- v0.20.12* ) content? it says ( Version: 0.20.16 Pre-tech ) after all..

 

[Count Morado]

do i need to do something or it's already with ( Patches:

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- v0.20.12* ) content? it says ( Version: 0.20.16 Pre-tech ) after all..

See #3 in the 67th posting of my FAQ near the bottom of the previous page: #68,235 I also recommend #1.

 

[Omnikuken]

See #3 in the 67th posting of my FAQ near the bottom of the previous page: #68,235 I also recommend #1.

I see the conspiracy of not reposting it is still going strong

 

[Bruh.Moment]

My first playtrough started exactly a week ago and I just finished it today. Man has this week been a blast, absolutely loved the game!

Now that I have come back to the forum I see two mods that caught my interest.

The SPH mod and the Naughty Tribute mod. Both of them seem to have intriguing improvements which I would love to try out.

My question though is if its worth starting a "new game" for either of these mods?

 

[Omnikuken]

My first playtrough started exactly a week ago and I just finished it today. Man has this week been a blast, absolutely loved the game!

Now that I have come back to the forum I see two mods that caught my interest.

The SPH mod and the Naughty Tribute mod. Both of them seem to have intriguing improvements which I would love to try out.

My question though is if its worth starting a "new game" for either of these mods?

Naughty mostly adds stuff during scenes. SPH redoes the story and removes MC's gigadick. Dunno if it's worth to restart for that. Probably can't run both at once either. And then most mod talk needs to be had in their respective threads

 

[Count Morado]

My first playtrough started exactly a week ago and I just finished it today. Man has this week been a blast, absolutely loved the game!

Now that I have come back to the forum I see two mods that caught my interest.

The SPH mod and the Naughty Tribute mod. Both of them seem to have intriguing improvements which I would love to try out.

My question though is if its worth starting a "new game" for either of these mods?

You should ask that in the mod threads - not everyone in this thread has tried either of them, but many in those threads have and can give you pointers.

 

[Bruh.Moment]

Naughty mostly adds stuff during scenes. SPH redoes the story and removes MC's gigadick. Dunno if it's worth to restart for that. Probably can't run both at once either. And then most mod talk needs to be had in their respective threads

You should ask that in the mod threads - not everyone in this thread has tried either of them, but many in those threads have and can give you pointers.

My bad, thanks for the pointers! I'll ask there.

 

[9phil9]

So I take it the so called "Tech" update has been abandoned ? The progress bar has shown 79% for several months now. It claims things are being done but the things done are still the same each month.

 

[ogr blanc]

So I take it the so called "Tech" update has been abandoned ? The progress bar has shown 79% for several months now. It claims things are being done but the things done are still the same each month.

isnt that how it always was? i mean, its clear that the project is slowly progressing to a 1 update per year.

 

[helixfossil]

So I take it the so called "Tech" update has been abandoned ? The progress bar has shown 79% for several months now. It claims things are being done but the things done are still the same each month.

Nah its still coming, the issue is remaking nearly every background asset to turn the game from 4:3 to 16:9, add that to repositioning characters in every scene.

It's a big game, so essentially remaking half the assets from the ground up has taken time

 

[Count Morado]

So I take it the so called "Tech" update has been abandoned ? The progress bar has shown 79% for several months now. It claims things are being done but the things done are still the same each month.

1 month.
79% 03 Dec 2022 (434/546 tasks)
79% 07 Nov 2022 (434/546 tasks)
77%: 03 Oct 2022 (411/530 tasks)
77%: 10 Sep 2022 (398/513 tasks)
75%: 03 Aug 2022 (382/503 tasks)
75%: 10 Jul 2022 (371/491 tasks)
73%: 10 Jun 2022 (358/484 tasks)
69%: 07 May 2022 (330/475 tasks)

While releasing a secret pre-tech update near the end of October and that content has to be incorporated into the Tech Update. Are they rolling off and rolling on tasks? I think so, sure. They might be altering what they want to add or edit or alter for the update. They might be putting new tasks on and putting others on hold.

But I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, and neither do you. But you can ask DC the next time he streams on

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, instead of making accusations and insinuations. He streamed today and unless he posts something on Twitter, he should be on Tuesday at 2pm Eastern US Time.

 

[Joop501]

I'm annoyed and honestly wonder you have nothing better to do than whine

 

[Omnikuken]

Nah its still coming, the issue is remaking nearly every background asset to turn the game from 4:3 to 16:9, add that to repositioning characters in every scene.

It's a big game, so essentially remaking half the assets from the ground up has taken time

Yes but no. Yes they did have to remake every background wider for the 16:9 expansion, but that's been mostly finished since ~Feb. Hence why the "art" line (DC's part) has been around 98% for most of the year. The (re)posing of everything and coding all that back into the new codebase is indeed what's taking the longest. Just wait till the debug bar gets tasks in it, the total % will plummet down to below 50% and every1 in the thread will have a butthurt seizure for months/years

 

[Count Morado]

Just wait till the debug bar gets tasks in it, the total % will plummet down to below 50% and every1 in the thread will have a butthurt seizure for months/years

You've been warning them for months about this, you know they'll forget.
Have you saved links to every time you mentioned it in this thread so that you can just copy/paste those links when they meltdown?