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What logic ? Dude is saying to do the same work 2x with 50 more devs for what amounts to basically nothing, aside saving him some time he doesn't know won't happen.
Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]
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- Aug 23, 2017
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His logic = DC and his team works on the updates as usual, as well as doing art for the tech-update on the side, while a dedicated team does everything for the tech-update. Pretty much developing both ends and merging together at some point.
I'm not saying the logic is impeccable, it's unrealistic as hell, hence why I said that it's way easier said than done, starting with finding good enough full time coders in the first place. I'll take what we have now instead of that hypothetical shitshow lol
Is the android version patched? Cuz the game won't start via Joiplay (as is the case for almost every RenPy game on Joiplay ).
- Feb 22, 2018
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Bolded would never happen though. That's the main reason for the tech build : dump all that ~6 years of trash coding by 4+ dudes and redo it once. They wouldn't merge the 2 of them together, otherwise they'd already do it and the tech build would be out last year
- Aug 12, 2018
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that's exactly what i meant. i think the something unlimited devs are doing something similiar. i don't know my idea might be bad but i don't know if waiting 2 years and who knows how much longer for a this stupid tech update is much better
- Jan 21, 2022
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No. But you can go check the couple of Mod threads listed in the OP to see if they have a solution.
Debbie’s route should be redone!! Sadly, I think it Will take at least 3 years until that happen
- Jan 21, 2022
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You think her route should be redone so that she and the MC never connect? So that she is a serial killer? So that she is revealed to be the real criminal mastermind behind the MC's father's death? Your post is VERY vague.
But, you are quite correct about at least 3 years ... it's more likely to be 5 or more years, if ever ("if ever" being the highest probability). She isn't winning any polls any time soon.
Now, If you mean her route should be officially redone in such a way to violate Patreon's policies - yeah, that won't happen until DC no longer promotes it as part of his portfolio on Patreon.
- Feb 22, 2018
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Lolnope, SU's dev can barely do what he says and what he puts in the changelog. He's not gonna remake the game anytime soon .....
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- Aug 23, 2017
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Yeah pretty much.
I mean, they seem to be struggling enough as it is to get a flat tech-update out, imagine them trying to merge two versions together, I'd rather chew on some pre-tech updates while waiting way too long for a tech-update than to witness that dumpster fire.
You also have to take into consideration how complicated things get. Like I said, you have to find a bunch of good, willing, full time coders in the first place, guide them through the process of unraveling the spaghetti code and then guide them in how to rebuild the code. It's not like you can throw a bunch of nerds at the code and say "make a better game".
DC and probably some of his main technical devs have to oversee all that happening while still making regular updates which also take time and effort, simultaneously piling onto the content that needs to be converted to the modern build. All of this takes good planning, communication and honestly, a bigger and better team than Kompas Productions is right now. I'll take what we have now thank you very much
Probably one of the only things I'm interested in any more when it comes to SS. Hope we'll get it anytime soon but I doubt it.
- Aug 23, 2017
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Redone as in remade, come on bro lmao
I wonder why you think "if ever" is the highest probability, like, she might never get an update because DC doesn't want to risk Patreon raising a stink over it? That would be so lame... I don't see how Debbie's update would be any different from Jennie's or Diane's. I think no one in their right mind expects DC to add in incest but just give Debbie the Jenny treatment and unofficial patches will do the rest.
- Jan 21, 2022
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I won't make that assumption about what the guy meant because we all know there is a significant number of people who drop messages here who want DC to make incest official, again.
You wonder why I think the way I do? Come on. It's pretty simple if you take a moment.
She could get an update, sure. But she is either going to have to win a poll first or DC wanting to actually revisit her story. He's given little to no indication on the latter and she's not done well with the former. Her part was nearly complete before the v0.20.9 update that finished the main story line:
If her story line finished up in v0.20.9 - then the likelihood is even less for her stuff to get a redo. There is a small possibility and I don't say "never"... but that's why I say "if ever" as the highest probability because he's got a shitton of other pans in the fire that he has ahead of considering to redo her story.
- Aug 23, 2017
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Honestly, I can't recall anyone ever saying such a thing, I'm sure there have been some people but they're far from significant.
Redone and remade are pretty much the same thing in the context of game development. You can even argue the same when someone says remade, because you don't know what way they want it remade. Weird thing to get pedantic about, that's why I said come on. (You say redo yourself btw)
I asked that as a genuine question, no reason to be petty and do a little uno-reverse on me lol
So, what happened to "DC will make all the content eventually, polls just choose the order of it"? I get that Debbie has substantial content already but it's old as hell and not up to par with the rest of the game at all, leaving that part of the game borderline unfinished because he doesn't feel like it would be a dick move. With that logic he could leave Erik's quest unfinished as well, or Mia's.
DC has other priorities and voters want new character quests instead of remakes right now, pretty logical, but there's a chance Debbie will get her remake once the fan favorites are out of the poll pool, or that DC himself choses to do her remake because he actually cares about SS. Why else would he propose her remake in the polls in the first place? Just because he doesn't directly indicate that he wants to remake Debbie's story, doesn't mean that's reason to speculate he will never update her. I hope I'm right for defending DC over this but I see no reason why she wouldn't get an update, even if it would be near the end of development.
- Jan 21, 2022
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You are crying pedantic? That's rich.
I say "redo" because I am using it the way it was brought forth by the first person - attempting to keep the language the same so that we are all discussing the same thing instead of attempting to move it to a different intention.
Again, pot/kettle.
He's already made (almost?) all of her content.
I never said he was going to leave anyone's unfinished. I showed how before v0.20.9 was released that Debbie's story line was closed to finished in DC's own chart. I haven't seen it since, but there ain't much left there. Much less than going through and revising (there, I didn't say redo) her story line (yet again, having revised it after the 2017/2018 Patreon situation and then tweaking it again when Jenny's storyline was updated to make them mother and daughter again).
And I never said never - in fact:
Yes, there's a chance. It might be 1 in 100, it might be 1 in a million.
And I disagree - I don't see any reason why she would.
So, you're saying that even though he's made no direct overtures that he intends or wants to revise Debbie's story it is okay for you and others to speculate he will eventually revise it.
but...
You don't want people to speculate that he won't.
Got it. I guess I will just continue disappointing you.
- Aug 23, 2017
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What is your problem? You were being pedantic for no reason and said that he was VERY vague, when all he did was say he wants Debbie's route redone. DC has done more remakes and has polled Debbie's remake as well, so him saying he wants her redone isn't vague at all.
Does he need to specify/eliminate everything he wants redone to get the point across to you that he just wants Debbie to get a update?
Fair enough.
How? Calling out your weird pedantic rant over someone saying they want the Debbie update isn't petty and it wasn't in bad faith at all (at the time). You were being petty because you used the "come on it's not that hard" line because I asked you a genuine question and wanted to engage in casual conversation for a change. I was asking for your insight, that was it, not trying to start some debate.
But she's part of the polls for a reason.
The chart shows her story is done...Okay? How does that mean she can't have a remake? 90% of the remake would be scenes so her quest chart being full isn't an obstacle that means she can't have her scenes/some of her quest redone.
And I never said you did, I wasn't trying to start a debate dissecting everything you say. I was just speculating on my own, not my fault that this thread is a fight cage to you. Makes sense why you were so pedantic about the initial guy now, just trying to find shit to argue about.
Cool, I think she needs an update because her scenes are out of date and clash with the rest of the game.
What even are you talking about anymore? People can speculate all they want, I just think the reasons you gave aren't any indication he will never update her to modern standards. Otherwise, why would DC put her in the polls in the first place? And back when I was still in his streams he did say he had plans to eventually update her (and other characters) to modern standards. It also just makes sense that an outdated part of the game would get a make-over to fit with the newer standards.
Feel free to dissect everything I said and try to have a gotcha moment, if it'll give you your redemption for the other times I've clowned you, so be it.
PS. I just realized I accidently used the word story in my past reply, but actually meant quest. Her general story is fine, it's more her scenes and quest flow that could use a rework. But that's because you used the word story first, and I kinda went with it subconsciously while meaning something different.
- Jan 21, 2022
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I was wondering what kind of redo the person was wanting. Some mean they want updated art, some mean they want her to have more action in the story, some want her pregnancy path included, some want the incest story line to be returned.
Because he was very vague - I was asking what he meant and that it wasn't going to happen anytime soon unless she wins polls (which has not been happening). And if it was the incest aspect, that he's got even longer to wait.
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