Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[Omnikuken]

I really think they can fix this with a choice near the beginning of the route and it can still pan out on a similar way, but you go after Grace instead and focus on getting Eve a nice boyfriend. Maybe fixing up Erik to be more of a cool dude since he already digs video games or maybe Chad or something. Then the guys that hate choices can go the Eve route and it plays as is or you go the Grace route and get her and Odette since Odette would dig a 3 way relationship anyway. You could still save the shop with Eve and fix the motorcycle and do the party thing. I think it could REALLY work and it's something that should be done. After all, Grace is a way more popular girl than June or Helen in their choice routes... even if I think physically Helen is in my top 5 (she is a total batch after all). Some of the same H scenes could even be kept with different dialogue.

Yeah, Eve's whole branch indeed needs a choice/split for Grace's sake. They even implemented the dialog options at the start, yet they lead to nothing, sadly.

Though I don't think you'd have to go as far as to have her get another boyfriend. They could basically leave the pure/romance path as it is right now for the most part, while the other path would essentially mean to fix Eve's issues to end up as some kind of friends with benefits, so you could include Grace and Odette's scenes, etc. without cheating on Eve.

On that path she could become a bit more like her old "pre update" character again, which has been a quite popular demand, too. Then again, it's quite a bit of work, but to me it seems to be worth it.

Keep dreaming bros, it'll never happen. We might not even get the Odette+Eve 3some in the graveyard

 

[Deleted member 5717752]

Becca catches Anon with her mom. If he's already fucking Becca, she tells Tina. Becca tells him to stop fucking her mom, and doesn't find out if he continues to do so. Tina helps him cheat on her daughter by making her leave the apartment when they schedule sex. Becca doesn't know, and Tina doesn't feel guilty, so no one demands a branching option that forces the MC to choose one or the other.

Anon can fuck Jenny and her mom, but they never find out about each other. Jenny finds out that Anon is fucking Diane, but she doesn't care. Since none of the three women feel bad, no one demands a branching option for Jenny, Debbie, and Diane.

Anon is cheating on every woman in the game, but no one insists on a branching system that will force him to be faithful to just one of them. Grace gets singled out because she feels bad about having sex with her sister's boyfriend. Based on no one caring about Anon sleeping with both Becca and Tina, or both Jenny and Debbie, I conclude that no one cares about the MC fucking members of the same family unless one of the women feels guilty about it. So, don't bother rewriting an entire major story line. Just make it so that Grace doesn't feel guilty! Everything would be okay if Grace didn't feel bad, right?

 

[MurkyTurtle]

Becca catches Anon with her mom. If he's already fucking Becca, she tells Tina. Becca tells him to stop fucking her mom, and doesn't find out if he continues to do so. Tina helps him cheat on her daughter by making her leave the apartment when they schedule sex. Becca doesn't know, and Tina doesn't feel guilty, so no one demands a branching option that forces the MC to choose one or the other.

Anon can fuck Jenny and her mom, but they never find out about each other. Jenny finds out that Anon is fucking Diane, but she doesn't care. Since none of the three women feel bad, no one demands a branching option for Jenny, Debbie, and Diane.

Anon is cheating on every woman in the game, but no one insists on a branching system that will force him to be faithful to just one of them. Grace gets singled out because she feels bad about having sex with her sister's boyfriend. Based on no one caring about Anon sleeping with both Becca and Tina, or both Jenny and Debbie, I conclude that no one cares about the MC fucking members of the same family unless one of the women feels guilty about it. So, don't bother rewriting an entire major story line. Just make it so that Grace doesn't feel guilty! Everything would be okay if Grace didn't feel bad, right?

Becca and Jenny aren't "serious" relationship characters, though. Becca only hooks up with the MC through Roxxy's tacit approval and presence, and Jenny is (at least in her own mind) using the MC as a live sex toy for making cam money and occasionally when she's feeling horny. Their current place in the story is casual hookups, so the MC sleeping with their family members is more annoying than it is betraying.

A much more apt comparison would be if Roxxy caught you screwing Crystal, which would probably lead to her letting Clyde string you up and using you for target practice. Or Mia, who was clearly thrilled if you decided to choose Helen over her:


Given that Eve's personality was reworked to be closer to Mia, it'd make sense that she wouldn't be thrilled either about you hooking up with Grace (or Odette, for that matter) while you're supposed to be dating her. And since Grace would be the one person in the cast who would give a shit about Eve's happiness, it wouldn't make sense that she'd be willing to go behind her back and steal the MC away. Yes, I know that the game will eventually have to make peace with the fact that the MC screws everything with a vaguely female-shaped hole, but right now they've awkwardly boxed themselves into a story where turning Grace from concerned sister and struggling small-business owner into another turbo-slut like Odette would be a little jarring.

 

[Deleted member 5717752]

A much more apt comparison would be if Roxxy caught you screwing Crystal, which would probably lead to her letting Clyde string you up and using you for target practice.

Oh yeah! I forgot about Roxxy and Crystal. According to Crystal, Roxxy wouldn't mind.

crystal "Oh, don't ya worry about Roxanne..."
crystal "... Ya see, my baby girl and I are a package deal!"
crystal "She's known that since she was a whipper."

Which means that Crystal has probably had sex with Dexter. Sorry for that mental image.

 

[MurkyTurtle]

Oh yeah! I forgot about Roxxy and Crystal. According to Crystal, Roxxy wouldn't mind.

crystal "Oh, don't ya worry about Roxanne..."
crystal "... Ya see, my baby girl and I are a package deal!"
crystal "She's known that since she was a whipper."

Which means that Crystal has probably had sex with Dexter. Sorry for that mental image.

Honestly, I'd feel more bad for Crystal. Trying to get off on Dexter's stunning lack of performance in either of his heads would be enough to tax anyone's patience.

 

[Deleted member 5717752]

Alright, I accept MurkyTurtle's explanation that Anon's relationship with Eve is more serious than the two or three dozen other women he's sleeping with and, therefore, Grace should feel guilty about it. Unless, of course, Eve didn't care. Unless Hollywood has lied to me, it's normal for people in a committed relationship to give their partner a "freebie" or "hall pass" to sleep with one other person.

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So, Eve gives Anon a freebie to have sex with one other person, and it can be literally anyone. He chooses Grace. She initially agrees reluctantly, since she did say that it could be anyone. She thinks about it a bit more and realizes that it's better that it be Grace and not someone that she can't trust. Grace will never try to steal him from her; she would never do anything to hurt Eve. Grace isn't a slut; she knows that Grace isn't sleeping with any other men, and is highly unlikely to get an STI from lesbian sex with Odette. Really, her sister is kind of the perfect choice for Anon's freebie.

Anon has Eve's permission, so Grace doesn't feel guilty. Problem solved.

I mean, you can feel free to come up with something better, but there's definitely an easier way to make it so that Grace can have guilt-free sex with Anon than totally rewriting their routes and gating off one girl or the other. It just takes a bit of imagination.

 

[Omnikuken]

And then nothing in the last 5 posts ever happens

 

[Deleted member 378959]

the ball is in the patreons court, if people on would stop donating on mass even if it's just 1$ i think things would change yes. maybe not after he loses 10k but if he would lose 20k he would turn out more updates quickly. yes i think he cares about the money he's making even if he pretends he doesn't.

This.

DC likes acting as if he doesn't care but I'm pretty sure he would hate going back to doing commissions. He's also moved in to a new house and has multiple kids now to take care of, those are expenses that are hard if not stressful to pay doing commission work. Him not caring about the money is a load of garbage. He started a Patreon ffs. People don't start patreons because they're rich, love their jobs, like making extra stuff on top of their current work and don't want any money for it. The primary function of the site at it's core is to receive money in exchange for work. It's not Instagram, it's not just to show the cool stuff you make in your spare time, you're there because there's money in the equation. He's also taking more than 50% of the money going towards SS (saying he's saving it for future projects but that doesn't make sense) which doesn't sound like someone who "doesn't care about the money".

I wish DC really didn't care but he does.

 

[Deleted member 378959]

I don't know about "the majority" and "most of the people here". Some post, some (I guess many more) only lurk, some donate, some not, some make mods for free, some want to get payed, even some devs post here. Yes, it's a pirate site, but I would never have become a patron of this game without it. And I would never have made the mod.

I honestly have no idea how you're gonna update your mod once tech update comes out. I'm assuming it's gonna be an extreme pain in the ass and gonna take a while. Love your mod though, real good stuff.

 

[Omnikuken]

This.

DC likes acting as if he doesn't care but I'm pretty sure he would hate going back to doing commissions. He's also moved in to a new house and has multiple kids now to take care of, those are expenses that are hard if not stressful to pay doing commission work. Him not caring about the money is a load of garbage. He started a Patreon ffs. People don't start patreons because they're rich, love their jobs, like making extra stuff on top of their current work and don't want any money for it. The primary function of the site at it's core is to receive money in exchange for work. It's not Instagram, it's not just to show the cool stuff you make in your spare time, you're there because there's money in the equation. He's also taking more than 50% of the money going towards SS (saying he's saving it for future projects but that doesn't make sense) which doesn't sound like someone who "doesn't care about the money".

He still has ~35-40k to lose before he gets back to his last pledge goal, which won't be soon.

He made a Patreon so that people who like the game can donate to help him make it (just like how Patreon has worked since they started), he wasn't expecting much in the early days. He also made a few builds before going to Patreon.

"He takes more than 1/2 the $", so what ? If the dudes he hired (probably with contracts) were ok with how much they get, who cares what DC does with the remaining $.

He also said he'd be willing to continue making the game even if the monthly pledges were 0$, which until proven otherwise by him stopping the dev if he gets there, is still the best reason why $ doesn't matter. Even if the entire board gets butthurt about it

 

[APoc1]

Frankly you could Deus Ex Machina anything you want when it comes to Grace or any other character for that matter. Its not like the story as it stands now strictly follows any logic. Anon is banging more than half the town why bother with morals of any character ? It really would not be that hard to just treat Grace and Eve like the other mother daughter situations Same goes for Mia and Helen. Maybe once the Ronda update hits and you have to choose a date to the ball all of Anon's fun will have to end but wait.. he could have many children running around by that time , so yeah it's not like reality of any choices made are really going to factor in , in a meaningful way.

 

[Omnikuken]

Frankly you could Deus Ex Machina anything you want when it comes to Grace or any other character for that matter. Its not like the story as it stands now strictly follows any logic. Anon is banging more than half the town why bother with morals of any character ? It really would not be that hard to just treat Grace and Eve like the other mother daughter situations Same goes for Mia and Helen. Maybe once the Ronda update hits and you have to choose a date to the ball all of Anon's fun will have to end but wait.. he could have many children running around by that time , so yeah it's not like reality of any choices made are really going to factor in , in a meaningful way.

You still have Annie+Judith+every preg remake before the prom night ......

 

[APoc1]

You still have Annie+Judith+every preg remake before the prom night ......

Exactly , kind of my point the game goes everywhere so why would it matter if you get to bang both Grace and Eve at some point you are going to choose one of the main girls and what happens to the rest and all your kids? there isn't enough logic in the world to explain that , so in steps Deus ex machina to explain away the "reasons" for how ever the game try's to end itself.

 

[CoolHandChewie]

by the time the tech update comes out he will have to do a new tech update for some new tech we don't even know about yet!

 

[j4yj4m]

Becca catches Anon with her mom. If he's already fucking Becca, she tells Tina. Becca tells him to stop fucking her mom, and
Anon is cheating on every woman in the game, but no one insists on a branching system that will force him to be faithful to just one of them. Grace gets singled out because she feels bad about having sex with her sister's boyfriend. Based on no one caring about Anon sleeping with both Becca and Tina, or both Jenny and Debbie, I conclude that no one cares about the MC fucking members of the same family unless one of the women feels guilty about it. So, don't bother rewriting an entire major story line. Just make it so that Grace doesn't feel guilty! Everything would be okay if Grace didn't feel bad, right?

To me there are several points to make when it coms to that problem in general.

1. Do people care about single stories to be consistent within themselves and as such value that kind of consistency? It's clear, that a big sandbox game as SS, will never manage to be conistent across the board. But let's say somebody really likes a specific character, then he should be able to play that character's story without running into really bad writing.
As far as I see it, that's essentially DC's and Sploosh's position in this - at least as far as it's possible.
Those who really want to get every (possible) character in one playthrough will be able to do it, but they'll have to live with inconsistencies/gaps across different stories to some degree. I doubt that's ever going to change.
Yet, stories of connected characters like Eve/Grace/Odette or Mia/Helen/Yumi/Angelica ought to be consistent within themselves. And that's where Grace's troubles lie and that's part of the reason why she isn't getting more/better scenes right now.

2. Do you want charachters to have unique character traits or not?
Of course it's possible to write every character in a way, so everybody is totally fine with MC fucking every woman in town. But then you'll indeed limit the kinds of stories and characters you'll be able to use and the kind of endings you'll be able to get. If you finish the 9th main girl and you've arrived at "the same" polyamorous ending for the 9th time, it'll probably get a bit boring. You'll end up having dozens of characters, who of whom none feels jealous, guilty, etc.
Sure, it's the easy way out, but it's certainly not good for the game as a whole. At least I seriously hope that most of the main girls will have some unique trait to their stories/endings, which in a VN does of course have to include classical romance, too.

And that just leads to the problem, that there's some kind of classical romance where saying "ah it's fine, fuck whomever you want besides me" after overcoming all of these issues kinda ruins that part of that story.
I personally really liked that fact that Eve (as a trans girl) is the one who got a romance arc, opposed to let's say being a cuckquean like Roxxy or viewing MC as some kind of money making sexy toy like Jenny.

That's why proper branches are needed, as they enable better stories and more/deeper emotions, as you aren't limited by the fact, that you necessarily have to arrive at some "MC is going to fuck everybody ending" once you are finished.

 

[JasmineLovesAnal]

Haven't played in more than a year, worth playing now or should I wait for next update?

 

[Ms.Succubus Goddess]

Haven't played in more than a year, is it worth to play or i should wait more tho?

 

[Donjoe81]

Haven't played in more than a year, is it worth to play or i should wait more tho?

I remember playing 6 months ago and I had a feeling it was finished already. If you look at the changelog you will see that Scenes have been added and bugs have been fixed and some would say it´s improvements or milking a cashcow. Could I recommend playing it? I would look at the reviews or if you were happy with the game more than a year ago and don´t mind the grindy parts sure you could play it.

 

[j4yj4m]

Haven't played in more than a year, worth playing now or should I wait for next update?

Haven't played in more than a year, is it worth to play or i should wait more tho?

Given that the tech update will introduce a ton of minor new content across the whole game, it's definitely better to wait and play once it has been released.

 

[Joop501]

I wonder is it too much to ask
at least every three months
something to add to this game