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Well, every facepalm reaction counts as liking a post... So he must love you then!The whiner loves to facepalm me -- he's just wanting a little attention in the thread rather than give some more facepalms.
Well, every facepalm reaction counts as liking a post... So he must love you then!The whiner loves to facepalm me -- he's just wanting a little attention in the thread rather than give some more facepalms.
Tsundere love right thereWell, every facepalm reaction counts as liking a post... So he must love you then!
except those numbers have shown only in the last 3-5 years or so. and not every tittle takes that much money.You seems to have thought this through pretty alright. Crunching numbers and all.
Correction though: the cost of an average AAA game from start to release averages around 60 million bucks. Someone from Sony actually bitched about that the other day. 3 million+ is maybe in the AA range, but games like Rogue City also make me think that doesn’t apply anymore.
came back to check on this aftera year, and zero progress? so he decided to go full scammer. nice.
T.G.I.F.but milking is so much more easy... right? >
yes they can. XDA developer can't milk something they give to everyone for free.
The game is not a promised good to patreon subscribers. It's not a tier benefit. It's not paywalled. Nothing you are saying exists --- at all. You either do not understand how it works or are intentionally being obstinate or intentionally misleading people.yes they can. XD
patreon subscription ( which are not free ) + postponing a promised good ( as this moment looks like it's on purpose ) = more monthly payments = milking.
again. yes you can
See, that's the thing. Unlike other Patreon developers, which gate their game behind the payment, DC isn't doing that, so him taking forever is not against any sort of terms he has with the people paying him money. His case is much more of a 'patron of the arts' thing where people pay him to do whatever he does, not specifically to get the game.yes they can. XD
patreon subscription ( which are not free ) + postponing a promised good ( as this moment looks like it's on purpose ) = more monthly payments = milking.
again. yes you can
The game is not a promised good to patreon subscribers. It's not a tier benefit. It's not paywalled. Nothing you are saying exists --- at all. You either do not understand how it works or are intentionally being obstinate or intentionally misleading people.
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The only "game access" benefits that subscribers get are that DC gives links to subscribers 24 hours before giving links to the general public and subscribers get access to faster download servers than the general public.
Everyone who wants it and has internet access can download the game for free within 24 hours of release.
I stand corrected. apparently he DOES have a PR team lolSee, that's the thing. Unlike other Patreon developers, which gate their game behind the payment, DC isn't doing that, so him taking forever is not against any sort of terms he has with the people paying him money. His case is much more of a 'patron of the arts' thing where people pay him to do whatever he does, not specifically to get the game.
It's not too dissimilar to the artists out there using Patreon. Think Sakimichan, who makes even more bank than DC does and twice a month at that for drawing pin up picks.
You're the only one stirring here.but keep stirring the pot... btw whatabautism does not work as a counter argument XD
that's exactly whatabaoutism!You're the only one stirring here.
There's no "what-about-ism" happening on their part, just statements of fact and a fitting comparison to try and get through somedeliberatelythick heads.
It's not "what-about-ism"... No matter how much you say it is, it's not.that's exactly whatabaoutism!
if A is being told is doing X, but B is also doing X. that means A is in the clear = whatabautism
Neither does deflection in trying to depict anyone who counters you as being a paid shill instead of actually engaging the points, friendo.btw whatabautism does not work as a counter argument XD
did I said paid? I just stated he has a PR team (HUGE difference)Neither does deflection in trying to depict anyone who counters you as being a paid shill instead of actually engaging the points, friendo.
I made a comparison between DC and an artist because DC is essentially getting paid the same way that artist does, for drawing something. That he makes a game is actually more of a secondary thing, since the game isn't directly gated behind any patreon payment.also I never deflected anything lol
your only contribution to the debate, as you said. was deflecting the blame to another person XD
what other new point did you made beside that? the ones already made before when stated that it could not be milking? none
I agree with you that he is not the worse. but that doesn't makes it right.I made a comparison between DC and an artist because DC is essentially getting paid the same way that artist does, for drawing something. That he makes a game is actually more of a secondary thing, since the game isn't directly gated behind any patreon payment.
Again, not unlike the many many other artists out there doing the same, but don't get accused of milking. Which was why I was made comparison to one. I don't see how one is alright, but the other isn't. So, sure, a bit of whataboutism, but the point isn't wrong either. If one is bad, so should the other.
You're assuming wrong. I'm honestly just tired of the endless cycle of bitching and rather have this thread fall into silence until there IS an update. Complaining here will not do anything.I agree with you that he is not the worse. but that doesn't makes it right.
nor the other creators are relevant to what DC is doing. if a lot of people are wrong, it doesn't absolve anything.
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look. tell you what.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you have a way to contact DC.
tell him (as a friendly advice) that there are better ways to "milk" players.
expansions, sequels, spinoffs are better ways to keep and make a franchise.
and yeah even adult games can make franchises. even when adult games where restricted Al Lowe made a big franchise of the Larry games. now it should be easy XD
postponing and not even finishing your flagship game is just about the worst way (and actually risky) of doing things.
finish the main story , then expand the world to keep players engaged on the same game.
I seen some indie storefronts with (adult) games that keep rising sales for years doing free updates. in this case that's a given but he will actually loose less patreons
if he can't keep the workload alone. hire some help. (Tod Howard didn't make the ES alone regardless of what hardcore fans think) and set milestones for payments. (that way they won't run off with the money lol)
it's ok to take time to finish things. but 10 years for a finish count of 0 is... not good
and NEVER assume that deleting some posts years later will absolve promises. servers take snapshots of their info on regular basis. that's the real reason the old say about "once in the internet, is there forever"
that's why my complain was in a quote lolYou're assuming wrong. I'm honestly just tired of the endless cycle of bitching and rather have this thread fall into silence until there IS an update. Complaining here will not do anything.
Well, the excat same walls of text have been written like dozens of times in these last years, usually several times per month. That's likely the reason why some are just so tired to read the same stuff again and again and have little understanding for those who actually spend time on repeating what has been written down countless times.that's why my complain was in a quote lol
and who knows?... seeing so many stalwart defenders.
one probably knows him. a little advice is never wasted
btw. if you have nothing to do with him. relax and ignore the bitching.
if it's not directed to you, let it slide. that can't be good for your blood pressure.
I seen you respond to almost all the criticism comments before I made mine.
remember "do not feed the trolls". if what people says is actually pointless, and it doesn't involve you. just let it go