manneychin

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Plus, art was never the bottleneck. Ever.
Your opinion is not based on fact but on trust in someone who has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he deserves no trust. Beware of soiling yourself when you repeat the words of someone like that.

You don't know for certain that art for the Tech Update was EVER anywhere close to what DC claimed. Art was always 100% in DC's hands. It was a % written in a status progress/report image and nothing more and you choose to base your "never" and "ever" on a status report that was proved to be spectacularly meaningless about a million times over the past 3 years. It goes up and down arbitrarily with no clue on how it really relates to a true 100%.

Just the following should be enough for anyone to NEVER EVER trust DC again:
The Tech Update was sold by DC to paying patreons as something that'll take "(3 to 4 months) to complete" (quote by none other than DC, from the Dec-2020 poll he used to fool paying patreons into approving the Tech Update).

Now, if we indulgently consider TU dev to have started in Apr-2021 (even though DC claimed it already started in Feb-2021) we are 34 months into those "3 to 4 months" PLUS there is no release date in sight and no believable status update.
How can you possibly still trust someone who turns "3 to 4 months" into 34 months with no end in sight? I honestly don't even know which is more grotesque: Going 10 times over a deadline you yourself have set or doing that AND not even having a deadline after?

Now, if you try to argument BUT I KNOW then I wrote this for nothing because no, you absolutely don't.

I will say DC fooled a lot of people with this project, including me for a good while. The one thing I failed to see until years later is how this project's sole fundamental feature is it has no realistic ending. At first it wasn't readily apparent. The release schedule was somewhat reasonable (even though it faltered after 2018) and it just felt like maybe it will take a few years but the game definitely goes somewhere.

It was only around 2020 I realized that DC will work on this project for however long the cash keeps coming in (but I couldn't foresee the Tech Update megascam). The thing that triggered my awakening was how DC handled resume-playback-in-new-version-from-previous-version-saves. As people might remember, unlike 99 out of 100 most famous Ren'Py games, Summertime Saga kept failing at handling past saves even after they said they fixed it several times (old saves basically only worked when used between bugfix releases like 0.18.0 > 0.18.1 > 0.18.2 and even then it was sketchy).
The reason is simple. SS goes head on against how Ren'Py is designed due to a managerial decision from DC who said he wants to keep coming back to content that was already delivered and adjust it as new stories are added. Remember that? It was a massive wake up call. In normal software development this kind of move is suicidal because it's not economically feasible. Customers don't want to pay for slightly altered things they already received no matter how much better you think you've rererererereremade them. But DC can use this rereredoing pattern to prolongue SS for as many years as it's profitable to do so. What is the Tech Update? A megarerereredoing of what was already delivered. It wasn't supposed to contain any new major story.

So beware who you're placing your trust in. DC is a megascammer. He asked approval from his paying patreons for something that was supposed to take 10 times less than it already took and at no time when he kept going over the deadline did he showed any good faith interest to realign with expectations and his own promises. All his moves are focused on deception and dancing around the core of the problem (Hey how about these sidereleases nobody asked for? Hey how about these screeshots with a logo slapped on in 5 minutes wallpapers? Hey how about these superserial word salads status reports nobody can use to determine state vs. a true 100%? Hey how about I hide my income as soon as $/paying patreon dives? etc. etc.). He is literally milking his paying base for every single cent they have for however long they allow it.

We don't know what comes at the end as it depends on his private life. He already got $3-4 million and he stands to make at least one more million as long as he changes nothing in his m.o. Maybe that's enough for him to literally one day disappear and that's that. Maybe not, so then he'll have to resurrect SS and deliver the TU + something more. This doesn't change what he is and what he's done and it certainly doesn't change the end of the Summertime Saga project which will most certainly not be [COMPLETED].
 

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Your opinion is not based on fact but on trust in someone who has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he deserves no trust. Beware of soiling yourself when you repeat the words of someone like that.

You don't know for certain that art for the Tech Update was EVER anywhere close to what DC claimed. Art was always 100% in DC's hands. It was a % written in a status progress/report image and nothing more and you choose to base your "never" and "ever" on a status report that was proved to be spectacularly meaningless about a million times over the past 3 years. It goes up and down arbitrarily with no clue on how it really relates to a true 100%.

Just the following should be enough for anyone to NEVER EVER trust DC again:

How can you possibly still trust someone who turns "3 to 4 months" into 34 months with no end in sight? I honestly don't even know which is more grotesque: Going 10 times over a deadline you yourself have set or doing that AND not even having a deadline after?

Now, if you try to argument BUT I KNOW then I wrote this for nothing because no, you absolutely don't.

I will say DC fooled a lot of people with this project, including me for a good while. The one thing I failed to see until years later is how this project's sole fundamental feature is it has no realistic ending. At first it wasn't readily apparent. The release schedule was somewhat reasonable (even though it faltered after 2018) and it just felt like maybe it will take a few years but the game definitely goes somewhere.

It was only around 2020 I realized that DC will work on this project for however long the cash keeps coming in (but I couldn't foresee the Tech Update megascam). The thing that triggered my awakening was how DC handled resume-playback-in-new-version-from-previous-version-saves. As people might remember, unlike 99 out of 100 most famous Ren'Py games, Summertime Saga kept failing at handling past saves even after they said they fixed it several times (old saves basically only worked when used between bugfix releases like 0.18.0 > 0.18.1 > 0.18.2 and even then it was sketchy).
The reason is simple. SS goes head on against how Ren'Py is designed due to a managerial decision from DC who said he wants to keep coming back to content that was already delivered and adjust it as new stories are added. Remember that? It was a massive wake up call. In normal software development this kind of move is suicidal because it's not economically feasible. Customers don't want to pay for slightly altered things they already received no matter how much better you think you've rererererereremade them. But DC can use this rereredoing pattern to prolongue SS for as many years as it's profitable to do so. What is the Tech Update? A megarerereredoing of what was already delivered. It wasn't supposed to contain any new major story.

So beware who you're placing your trust in. DC is a megascammer. He asked approval from his paying patreons for something that was supposed to take 10 times less than it already took and at no time when he kept going over the deadline did he showed any good faith interest to realign with expectations and his own promises. All his moves are focused on deception and dancing around the core of the problem (Hey how about these sidereleases nobody asked for? Hey how about these screeshots with a logo slapped on in 5 minutes wallpapers? Hey how about these superserial word salads status reports nobody can use to determine state vs. a true 100%? Hey how about I hide my income as soon as $/paying patreon dives? etc. etc.). He is literally milking his paying base for every single cent they have for however long they allow it.

We don't know what comes at the end as it depends on his private life. He already got $3-4 million and he stands to make at least one more million as long as he changes nothing in his m.o. Maybe that's enough for him to literally one day disappear and that's that. Maybe not, so then he'll have to resurrect SS and deliver the TU + something more. This doesn't change what he is and what he's done and it certainly doesn't change the end of the Summertime Saga project which will most certainly not be [COMPLETED].
Did writing that wall of text make you feel any better?

And will DC now draw faster, for you?
 

manneychin

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Today we have another BIG anniversary.

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It was 3 years ago to the day when the biggest porn game scammer to date (now THAT is something that'll make you stand out on LinkedIn) announced you should relax because he's already working on the Tech Update, suggesting the timer already started on those "(3 to 4 months) to complete" he promised for the TU.

Yada yada yada and 36 months later we don't even have a deadline for the TU but between Apr-2021 and Jan-2024 patreons paid ~$2.16 million towards DC, an achievement we celebrated on Feb 1st.
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f95zone should give DC a present on this Valentine's day and [ABANDONED] fits perfectly.

It's been 2 years and nearly 11 months since the last normal SS release, something that more than fits "an abnormally long period of time"
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especially when it comes against a promise it will take no more than 4 months. The minimal side-updates released in the meantime were nothing but a simulation of activity, a way to fool everyone the lights are on, including f95zone's [ABANDONED] rules. Other devs have tried the same but failed to be allowed to.

If not, we're bound to hear each other at the next BIG anniversary! Excelsior!
 

bidh

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f95zone should give DC a present on this Valentine's day and [ABANDONED] fits perfectly.

It's been 2 years and nearly 11 months since the last normal SS release, something that more than fits "an abnormally long period of time"
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especially when it comes against a promise it will take no more than 4 months. The minimal side-updates released in the meantime were nothing but a simulation of activity, a way to fool everyone the lights are on, including f95zone's [ABANDONED] rules. Other devs have tried the same but failed to be allowed to.

If not, we're bound to hear each other at the next BIG anniversary! Excelsior!
[ABANDONED] is not good enough.
For such an unique achievement, a new tag should be unlocked.
 
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erisonkel

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Today we have another BIG anniversary.

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It was 3 years ago to the day when the biggest porn game scammer to date (now THAT is something that'll make you stand out on LinkedIn) announced you should relax because he's already working on the Tech Update, suggesting the timer already started on those "(3 to 4 months) to complete" he promised for the TU.

Yada yada yada and 36 months later we don't even have a deadline for the TU but between Apr-2021 and Jan-2024 patreons paid ~$2.16 million towards DC, an achievement we celebrated on Feb 1st.
See this if you missed it:
f95zone should give DC a present on this Valentine's day and [ABANDONED] fits perfectly.

It's been 2 years and nearly 11 months since the last normal SS release, something that more than fits "an abnormally long period of time"
View attachment 3355357
especially when it comes against a promise it will take no more than 4 months. The minimal side-updates released in the meantime were nothing but a simulation of activity, a way to fool everyone the lights are on, including f95zone's [ABANDONED] rules. Other devs have tried the same but failed to be allowed to.

If not, we're bound to hear each other at the next BIG anniversary! Excelsior!
Honestly, as someone who only recently found out about this whole thing, I reckon you're almost completely right. But you sound obsessed. Get some help, go outside for a nice chill walk, or go eat something tasty. Call your friends, have a chat. Play a good game instead. Your two posts look unhealthy. This abandonware is worth arguing against as much as any other on this website, which is barely at all.
 

Woodalicca

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[ABANDONED] is not good enough.
For such an unique achievement, a new tag should be unlocked.
The Scammer Time Saga achievement ? There's no better reward for what DC has become. I remember we got updates almost every two weeks back in 2017. Yeah, content-wise, the updates weren't loaded, but he was way more invested than in the past 3 years. Easy money creates sloth. To be fair, DC isn't the only one who turned out like this.
 

McSlut

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Your life must be quite meaningless if this is what's "good enough" for you...
if my life is meaningless than compare it to the dc defense force writing walls of text and basically the same three people responding to every post that gets made in defense of dc

And I really doubt the "dc defense force" cares much about any tags assigned by this site to this game.
if they didn't care about it they wouldn't seethe about it so much
 

cermebaatsisvye

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I had to make a chart to help me understand. Based on the Count's progress tracker, plus I added .

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Progress Tracker for Tech Update (yes, number of tasks change - Tasks updated to better reflect completion)
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FAQ is assumed correct on the date/time of posting. First FAQ was posted 20 February 2022.[/SPOILER]
 

cermebaatsisvye

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My interpretation. I'm still a Summertime Saga fan, it's one of the best games I've played in this genre. I also know that the vast majority of the games I play here are "early access". DC (or rather, the programmer(s) he hired) bit off way more than he/they could chew, obviously. 3-4 months was wildly (stupidly) optimistic. Code never happens that fast.

The adjustment in May 2022 wasn't that bad. Percent dropped only ~3%. I still dropped from his Patreon a few months later, I wasn't expecting it to be out by mid-2023 at least, and it seemed like he was doing fine financially. I figured I gave him enough for 2+ full-price games.

But the drop in November stings. 75% is where we were 18 months earlier.

I'm also not holding my breath. There are a lot of other games to play here. I'll be excited to come back when the update is out, and start a new game. But I'm not stressing about it. He can start having my money again when the update is out.

Does anyone have a more complete history of the entire task breakdown? Not total tasks, but completed+total for art, posing, writing and code? I can update the chart. I'm interested in understanding where/when changed in different kinds of tasks happened.
 
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