Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[troybecks1]

Milking cow

 

[mikledk]

Ohh googie, means i gotta wait a lil bit more if i dont wanna weird myself out.

The patch is not from DC, but done by Bossapplesauce from this glorious page - you can try sending him cupcakes and a motivational poster, but I doubt it will speed up the process

 

[JustNotFatal]

he just missing an artist who can help him with art..the animator who animated this update cant draw
if he can find an artist who is talented in copying art style,i am sure he can finish update faster and also SS got an old base code

dude seriously tho you making DC art style sound so easy like any of artist can copy it,if that is true he should already found an artist who can do a background for him.The problem is the amount of money he recieved, he didnt expect this gonna be so big if he really into money he not gonna improve the artstyle and keep make the animation good because he know this project is already big thats why he slowly improved it by hiring Dogeek he already want to fix old code so in future later we can use old saves and no longer need to start from begining if new update come out and making the animation 14-15 frame from 3-5 frame and he is now hiring AEHentai for animation.He is slow but sure improve SS if you are here from begining you should already know and the game is free whenever you pledge or not

Re-read what I said. I said it wasn't impossible when it came to an artist to copy his style. Hell, there was one game that was Fallout themed that pretty much had the same style. Again to be perfectly honest, it shouldn't be an impossible task to find another artist.

I disagree on your money point, he made goals to which he attaches a "you get this" if reached. In this case it is extra help in areas where he is weak, perfectly sensible. The point wasn't that his art needs to improve quality wise, the speed does.

I'm not sitting here saying DC (or an any game dev for that matter) owes me anything unless I specifically pay for something that has outlined attributes.

I am however saying that if DC and company expect continued support from anyone, he needs to improve his project management skills or dedicate/hire someone who can. No one likes games that suffer from development hell or a long process (unless the game is "worth it")

 

[sky11]

When...

 

[j4yj4m]

Re-read what I said. I said it wasn't impossible when it came to an artist to copy his style. Hell, there was one game that was Fallout themed that pretty much had the same style. Again to be perfectly honest, it shouldn't be an impossible task to find another artist.

I think finding someone who can draw as well as he can is only a part of the problem. Everything else is actually just as important. The art in SS isn't really that complex and drawing items, poses, etc. needs a few minutes and one can imagine that explaining to someone what he wants, check and possibly correct it after that person is done will take almost the same amount of time and thus DC could simply do it himself.

So either he finds someone who can work really independently from DC and delivers what DC wants or it's likely not really worth it, apart from some basic support. I guess that's the reason why he chose to hire someone for backgrounds and animations and not for anything else. As I said in another post, there's a difference if you start and plan a project with several artists and work together or if you hire someone who is going to work "on your baby".

 

[Beatrix Kiddo]

Milking cow

You mean Diane? What's up with her? Don't get too hasty, the next update is for her

 

[JustNotFatal]

I think finding someone who can draw as well as he can is only a part of the problem. Everything else is actually just as important. The art in SS isn't really that complex and drawing items, poses, etc. needs a few minutes and one can imagine that explaining to someone what he wants, check and possibly correct it after that person is done will take almost the same amount of time and thus DC could simply do it himself.

So either he finds someone who can work really independently from DC and delivers what DC wants or it's likely not really worth it, apart from some basic support. I guess that's the reason why he chose to hire someone for backgrounds and animations and not for anything else. As I said in another post, there's a difference if you start and plan a project with several artists and work together or if you hire someone who is going to work "on your baby".

Maybe, maybe not, depends on how controlling DC is. The goal would be to have another artist he doesn't micro-manage.

Here's the thing, he has out-scoped his project meaning SS does not seem to be within the scale that DC can handle by himself. He can't promise to add more things while not adding to the capability/capacity to his team. He has done that for the most part with the exception being main art. This is no longer merely a passion project, he has made this into a business. Otherwise we get a continuously enlarging snowball. Which brings us full circle back into project management.

 

[roger545353535353]

Probably another week of bugtesting until August 1st when the money is deposited into his account, then he will release.

 

[NTR4Lyfe]

99% ..just a weee bit more ...just a weee bit more!!!

 

[exirock]

For what Dc sayed last stream the only thing missing was an animation (we dont know how big the animation was).

 

[DonJulio123]

he also said "codings done, just waiting on animation so we plug it in, test if it all works good and release"

that was last saturday. but plugging it in and testing if it all works surely takes another week or two?!
with what, like 4 guys bug testing supposedly day & night? doesn't this sound fishy to you guys?

 

[ovan26]

he also said "codings done, just waiting on animation so we plug it in, test if it all works good and release"

that was last saturday. but plugging it in and testing if it all works surely takes another week or two?!
with what, like 4 guys bug testing supposedly day & night? doesn't this sound fishy to you guys?

that doesnt sound fishy unless you want to stuck at somepoint at the game

 

[HawkCantfly]

he also said "codings done, just waiting on animation so we plug it in, test if it all works good and release"

that was last saturday. but plugging it in and testing if it all works surely takes another week or two?!
with what, like 4 guys bug testing supposedly day & night? doesn't this sound fishy to you guys?

Last time we wait for last two coding two weeks, so don't think they'll release soon...

 

[simisimisimi]

I start to think that DarkCookie will release the update the 1° august... when the update is near he make 42k$ instead of typical 35$....

 

[j4yj4m]

Here's the thing, he has out-scoped his project meaning SS does not seem to be within the scale that DC can handle by himself. He can't promise to add more things while not adding to the capability/capacity to his team. He has done that for the most part with the exception being main art. This is no longer merely a passion project, he has made this into a business. Otherwise we get a continuously enlarging snowball. Which brings us full circle back into project management.

I don't really see the problem to be honest. 3 to 4 years is decent time frame for a good game and the main point is that he didn't promise anything he didn't keep. He hired the people he told he would hire (CptSlpoosh for posing, dogeek for coding and the new background artist/AEhentai) and that's as far as the patreon goals go. There hasn't been a new goal for more than half a year so I think it's safe to assume that that's basically going to be it.
It's not his fault if people keep pledging more and more money for no reason and without goals.

 

[JustNotFatal]

I don't really see the problem to be honest. 3 to 4 years is decent time frame for a good game and the main point is that he didn't promise anything he didn't keep. He hired the people he told he would hire (CptSlpoosh for posing, dogeek for coding and the new background artist/AEhentai) and that's as far as the patreon goals go. There hasn't been a new goal for more than half a year so I think it's safe to assume that that's basically going to be it.
It's not his fault if people keep pledging more and more money for no reason and without goals.

Of course people's patience/interest will vary. Again, he has improved all but the main area, art, which is the focal point of a VN.

I agree it's not his fault that people pledge but people tend to proportional expect things given the amount of funding.
While he might not hire more people, that hasn't or will stop him from promising more features or content. This is a cardinal sin of PM. According to him this is only 25% done. I have zero idea how he is calculating that except that he is just pulling that from thin air.

My main point however is more about the fact that based off of a few different elements, SS lacks in the PM department and in my opinion this will eventually catch up to him because literally every project that has ever occurred does not survive bad PM.

 

[j4yj4m]

I agree it's not his fault that people pledge but people tend to proportional expect things given the amount of funding.

That doesn't really matter though. It may happen that the funding will go down but that's fine since right now it's obviously more than is needed. Right now he's probably making more than double of what he expected would be needed to finish the game.

While he might not hire more people, that hasn't or will stop him from promising more features or content. This is a cardinal sin of PM. According to him this is only 25% done. I have zero idea how he is calculating that except that he is just pulling that from thin air.

Well, that 25% make a lot of sense. We'll still need major storylines for Roxxy, Eve, Annie, Ronda and Judith and all the characters that are included (including the underground cult and Mrs. Smith). Then we'll need updates for Diane, Jenny, Mia and Mrs. Johnson., we'll need an update for the Coach, we'll need to finish the main story, we'll need a whole dating system, we'll need pregnancy for everyone, we'll get Halloween updates etc.

My main point however is more about the fact that based off of a few different elements, SS lacks in the PM department and in my opinion this will eventually catch up to him because literally every project that has ever occurred does not survive bad PM.

What would you expect that do change? The only way I can see that working is for DC to stop drawing and to start hiring multiple artists to do the work for him. And I'm sure that's not going to happen.

 

[Reese286]

Lol, Oh man... 62/64 and 99%. I'm not gonna get shit done today thinking about this.

 

[Bonhart]

this wait has become unnerving , I hope you do not spend all this time updating Diane and Jenny

(Sorry my English )

 

[JustNotFatal]

That doesn't really matter though. It may happen that the funding will go down but that's fine since right now it's obviously more than is needed. Right now he's probably making more than double of what he expected would be needed to finish the game.


Well, that 25% make a lot of sense. We'll still need major storylines for Roxxy, Eve, Annie, Ronda and Judith and all the characters that are included (including the underground cult and Mrs. Smith). Then we'll need updates for Diane, Jenny, Mia and Mrs. Johnson., we'll need an update for the Coach, we'll need to finish the main story, we'll need a whole dating system, we'll need pregnancy for everyone, we'll get Halloween updates etc.


What would you expect that do change? The only way I can see that working is for DC to stop drawing and to start hiring multiple artists to do the work for him. And I'm sure that's not going to happen.

So statistically you expect him to finish 75% of a game in another two when he managed to only finish 25% in that time so far?

This really boils down to what does this (game) actually entail and the answer as far as I can tell is even DC doesn't know aside from some incredibly vague goals. While the general public doesn't necessarily need to know every detail. There is no indication from DC that makes me think that he actually has this mapped out to an actionable degree.

It's hard for me to tell what you are actually saying for your last point. What PM changes is an actual plan for success that can be measured and adjusted. If DC were to actually not stream, I could make the argument that he doesn't need an additional artist. As it stands however he would need to hire another to help keep a reasonable pace/not bottleneck his entire game.