Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Teiky]

Oh no, not Debbie. Annie's mom.. Whatever her name is. Daycare lady? Maybe she works with that dude on Route 5 in that one Red/Blue game...

God, I feel so old....

clearly professor oak lab assistant

 

[QuantumLoli2.0]

Am I the only one who has problems with parts of the game itself rather than with its development?

My biggest gripe is with the writing. The entire game has this lack of self awareness that detracts from the entire experience. The MC has no consistent character. He will fluctuate from a relatable everyman to a sniveling masochist to a sneering sadist to a hopeless romantic often within the same route and sometimes within the same scene. The route that most embodies this is the Mia/Helen route. The plot starts as an earnest coming of age romance story, with the MC helping his childhood friend navigate her personal problems. It's a charming story about the girl next door except for when it isn't because it's been interrupted by church themed BDSM scenes. It's like someone intercut Pump Up The Volume with scenes from Bible Black.

Even Roxxy's route, which most people seem to consider the best written, is full of things like this. Much like Mia's route, Roxxy's starts out like a teen comedy. It is ostensibly a fun story full of character growth where the MC wins the heart of the cheerleader, a la Revenge of the Nerds. However, this route is also full of tone shattering moments such as when he burglarises the house of the principle, or cheats on his newly minted lover with her mother while in the same room. However, the part that annoyed me the most was Dexter's fall from grace. One of the scenes meant to show how terrible Dexter is shows him groping one of the girls. We are supposed to hate Dexter for doing this, despite the fact that the MC gropes multiple characters, cums in his mother's panties, fucks his sister in her sleep, spies on his neighbours while they're getting dressed, and cheats with a nurse while at the hospital to check whether he's fertile enough to be able to impregnate his aunt. Even in Roxxy's route alone there are plenty of scenes like this, such as the aforementioned cheating with her mother.

My point is that the game has no consitent internal logic. While it must be admitted that it is a porn game and is thus a literal masturbation fantasy, the constant hypocrisy is still frustrating.

Also, Jenny's new face is repulsive. The way the corners of her mouth jackknife up could only be called a smile in the Glaswegian sense. Her new art is objectively worse.

 

[TheKingCobra]

Am I the only one who has problems with parts of the game itself rather than with its development?

My biggest gripe is with the writing. The entire game has this lack of self awareness that detracts from the entire experience. The MC has no consistent character. He will fluctuate from a relatable everyman to a sniveling masochist to a sneering sadist to a hopeless romantic often within the same route and sometimes within the same scene.

I think that this is partly due to the fact that they want him to be all at once, and haven't really given him any "personality options" through variables or what not.

The route that most embodies this is the Mia/Helen route. The plot starts as an earnest coming of age romance story, with the MC helping his childhood friend navigate her personal problems. It's a charming story about the girl next door except for when it isn't because it's been interrupted by church themed BDSM scenes. It's like someone intercut Pump Up The Volume with scenes from Bible Black.

It's been a while since I did that route but from what I remember it was rather sudden and on the nose. They did have character development for Mia's path but kind of just jumped into the BDSM with Helen with no real warning or building up to it.

Even Roxxy's route, which most people seem to consider the best written, is full of things like this. Much like Mia's route, Roxxy's starts out like a teen comedy. It is ostensibly a fun story full of character growth where the MC wins the heart of the cheerleader, a la Revenge of the Nerds.

Yea, it's my favorite route It definitely has its issues and they stick out like a sore thumb. It feels like we should have been given more/better alternatives as there's no way I'm buying the MC breaking into the principal's house. Among a few other moments in the storyline that made me go "Say what now?"

or cheats on his newly minted lover with her mother in the same room. However, the part that annoyed me the most was Dexter's fall from grace. One of the scenes meant to show how terrible Dexter describes him groping one of the girls. We are supposed to hate Dexter for doing this, despite the fact that the MC gropes multiple characters, cums in his mother's panties, fucks his sister in her sleep, spies on his neighbours while they're getting dressed, and cheats with a nurse while at the hospital to check whether he's fertile enough to be able to impregnate his aunt. Even in Roxxy's route alone there are plenty of scenes like this, such as the aforementioned cheating with her mother.

Yup.. This part is present in a lot of games though, one issue is with updating old storylines or code. But there are others such as, as you point out, the underwear things, molestation and voyeurism. The fact is made worse in Roxxy's storyline however as it is implied that she doesn't really like to share. She does relent, with her friends, as long as you're there with her. The storyline doesn't feel written to fit the MC, unless you only play that one single route. Which is unlikely to happen for a majority of players.

My point is that the game has no consistency in its internal logic. While it must be admitted that it is a porn game and is thus a literal masturbation fantasy, the constant hypocrisy is still frustrating.

Reminds me of a TV-show I'm watching... I agree completely though, a few moments here or there I can deal with, but as the game drags on we only get exposed to even more of these and it doesn't look likely to change.

Glaswegian

Is that one of them fancy new Norwegians from outer space?

 

[Teiky]

Am I the only one who has problems with parts of the game itself rather than with its development?

My biggest gripe is with the writing. The entire game has this lack of self awareness that detracts from the entire experience. The MC has no consistent character. He will fluctuate from a relatable everyman to a sniveling masochist to a sneering sadist to a hopeless romantic often within the same route and sometimes within the same scene. The route that most embodies this is the Mia/Helen route. The plot starts as an earnest coming of age romance story, with the MC helping his childhood friend navigate her personal problems. It's a charming story about the girl next door except for when it isn't because it's been interrupted by church themed BDSM scenes. It's like someone intercut Pump Up The Volume with scenes from Bible Black.

Even Roxxy's route, which most people seem to consider the best written, is full of things like this. Much like Mia's route, Roxxy's starts out like a teen comedy. It is ostensibly a fun story full of character growth where the MC wins the heart of the cheerleader, a la Revenge of the Nerds. However, this route is also full of tone shattering moments such as when he burglarises the house of the principle, or cheats on his newly minted lover with her mother in the same room. However, the part that annoyed me the most was Dexter's fall from grace. One of the scenes meant to show how terrible Dexter describes him groping one of the girls. We are supposed to hate Dexter for doing this, despite the fact that the MC gropes multiple characters, cums in his mother's panties, fucks his sister in her sleep, spies on his neighbours while they're getting dressed, and cheats with a nurse while at the hospital to check whether he's fertile enough to be able to impregnate his aunt. Even in Roxxy's route alone there are plenty of scenes like this, such as the aforementioned cheating with her mother.

My point is that the game has no consistency in its internal logic. While it must be admitted that it is a porn game and is thus a literal masturbation fantasy, the constant hypocrisy is still frustrating.

Also, Jenny's new face is repulsive. The way the corners of her mouth jackknife up could only be called a smile in the Glaswegian sense. Her new art is objectively worse.

I think the problem is that you're expecting a linear story with consistent characters dev, especially for the mc. however the different between SS and the typical visual novel is that there are choices to be made and the availability of choices because the MC suppose to be a reflection of the actual player themselves. So just because an option is available, it doesn't mean you as a player need to take it. and keep in mind, the finished game PROBABLY won't allow you to romance every character in the roster anyway because your relationship with one character might block off your chance with another. BUT like I said just because the option is there doesn't mean YOU, as the player, has to take it.

 

[TheKingCobra]

I think the problem is that you're expecting a linear story with consistent characters dev, especially for the mc. however the different between SS and the typical visual novel is that there are choices to be made and the availability of choices because the MC suppose to be a reflection of the actual player themselves. So just because an option is available, it doesn't mean you as a player need to take it. and keep in mind, the finished game PROBABLY won't allow you to romance every character in the roster anyway because your relationship with one character might block off your chance with another. BUT like I said just because the option is there doesn't mean YOU, as the player, has to take it.

I understand your argument but I think that certain things could have been handled better. And in the case of Roxxy and the principal's house, you have no option. If you want to pursue her, that's the price you pay, regardless of the fact that there's no development in that storyline to make you think that the MC would actually turn to burglary.

In Helen's/Mia it feels very.. Abrupt, very sudden that you're into BDSM and punishing Helen. There are probably other examples but I'm tired and it's been a while since I played through SS.

Just my two cents though <3

 

[cavaemon]

holy shit... yessssss eve is a girl FUCK YES!!! also... daaaaaaamn the hate for the trap is great here... woof.

 

[j4yj4m]

And in the case of Roxxy and the principal's house, you have no option. If you want to pursue her, that's the price you pay, regardless of the fact that there's no development in that storyline to make you think that the MC would actually turn to burglary.

To be fair, some would call that life. Quite a few things happen abruptly and without real and realistic alternative. And let's be honest, people do stupid stuff in their teens. I'd say that's nothing one should be upset about and it really doesn't feel that far off.

 

[TheKingCobra]

To be fair, some would call that life. Quite a few things happen abruptly and without real and realistic alternative. And let's be honest, people do stupid stuff in their teens. I'd say that's nothing one should be upset about and it really doesn't feel that far off.

I guess, but to me, it's a stretch to say that you just suddenly decide to burglarise someones home for a girl who at that point doesn't even like you. (From what I remember). I still think it's poorly handled and that there should have been alternatives. It just doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

[Teiky]

I guess, but to me, it's a stretch to say that you just suddenly decide to burglarise someones home for a girl who at that point doesn't even like you. (From what I remember). I still think it's poorly handled and that there should have been alternatives. It just doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

The thing mc do for some pussy. I mean he sold drugs for her later on too so burglary is not so bad

 

[j4yj4m]

I guess, but to me, it's a stretch to say that you just suddenly decide to burglarise someones home for a girl who at that point doesn't even like you. (From what I remember). I still think it's poorly handled and that there should have been alternatives. It just doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

I mean, it's not like he's stealing anything of value or damages anything. In the end one can probably see it as some kind of test of courage, too. At least to me, it fits quite well into Roxxy's story, given that MC actually somewhat tries to convince her that he's not a nerdy loser.

 

[TheKingCobra]

The thing mc do for some pussy. I mean he sold drugs for her later on too so burglary is not so bad

Yeah, he did sell drugs. I don't agree with that decision either, but at least it was to bail her mom out of jail. I still think that there are major leaps in the storyline.

The thing is, they could set it up better so that it doesn't kind of come out of nowhere and just for some girl.. With big KAZOONGAS... And... Goddamnit ;<

I mean, it's not like he's stealing anything of value or damages anything. In the end one can probably see it as some kind of test of courage, too. At least to me, it fits quite well into Roxxy's story, given that MC actually somewhat tries to convince her that he's not a nerdy loser.

Well, technically I'd argue that stealing the exams is stealing something of value, just not monetary value. Of course, that'd bring far too much of the real world into this discussion so it's a moot point and not a valid argument for this game.
Yeah, he tries to convince her, I'm just not sure he quite succeeds in that. It just felt to me that she kind of fell for him and still kind of think of him as a nerd. With a big wang. <-- Extremely important part in all games of this kind.

I get what you guys are saying, I'm just getting different vibes from it and to me, it feels kind of..Meh. Still my favorite storyline because I love Roxxy

 

[Teiky]

Yeah, he did sell drugs. I don't agree with that decision either, but at least it was to bail her mom out of jail. I still think that there are major leaps in the storyline.

The thing is, they could set it up better so that it doesn't kind of come out of nowhere and just for some girl.. With big KAZOONGAS... And... Goddamnit ;<

Well, technically I'd argue that stealing the exams is stealing something of value, just not monetary value. Of course, that'd bring far too much of the real world into this discussion so it's a moot point and not a valid argument for this game.
Yeah, he tries to convince her, I'm just not sure he quite succeeds in that. It just felt to me that she kind of fell for him and still kind of think of him as a nerd. With a big wang. <-- Extremely important part in all games of this kind.

I get what you guys are saying, I'm just getting different vibes from it and to me, it feels kind of..Meh. Still my favorite storyline because I love Roxxy

cant wait for the potential dick mod XD small wang, average wang and horse dick

 

[TheKingCobra]

cant wait for the potential dick mod XD small wang, average wang and horse dick

Think we can copy paste Dexter's?

 

[Teiky]

Think we can copy paste Dexter's?

ooohh what if we get a sequel like kobra kai where we play dexter post dick surgery with a redemption arc at the highschool reunion

 

[TheKingCobra]

ooohh what if we get a sequel like kobra kai where we play dexter post dick surgery with a redemption arc at the highschool reunion

Hah! That'd be glorious. Not too sure how I'd handle playing someone so... Bereft of thought.

 

[Skecorks]

removed that part? or is still in the game, why do not I know how to get it

 

[j4yj4m]

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removed that part? or is still in the game, why do not I know how to get it

The bed scene itself will very, very likely be back in 0.18.5 but the odd requirement to randomly sneak into Jenny's bed to advance her story is gone.

 

[srksrk 68]

Am I the only one who has problems with parts of the game itself rather than with its development?

My biggest gripe is with the writing. The entire game has this lack of self awareness that detracts from the entire experience. The MC has no consistent character. He will fluctuate from a relatable everyman to a sniveling masochist to a sneering sadist to a hopeless romantic often within the same route and sometimes within the same scene. The route that most embodies this is the Mia/Helen route. The plot starts as an earnest coming of age romance story, with the MC helping his childhood friend navigate her personal problems. It's a charming story about the girl next door except for when it isn't because it's been interrupted by church themed BDSM scenes. It's like someone intercut Pump Up The Volume with scenes from Bible Black.

Even Roxxy's route, which most people seem to consider the best written, is full of things like this. Much like Mia's route, Roxxy's starts out like a teen comedy. It is ostensibly a fun story full of character growth where the MC wins the heart of the cheerleader, a la Revenge of the Nerds. However, this route is also full of tone shattering moments such as when he burglarises the house of the principle, or cheats on his newly minted lover with her mother while in the same room. However, the part that annoyed me the most was Dexter's fall from grace. One of the scenes meant to show how terrible Dexter is shows him groping one of the girls. We are supposed to hate Dexter for doing this, despite the fact that the MC gropes multiple characters, cums in his mother's panties, fucks his sister in her sleep, spies on his neighbours while they're getting dressed, and cheats with a nurse while at the hospital to check whether he's fertile enough to be able to impregnate his aunt. Even in Roxxy's route alone there are plenty of scenes like this, such as the aforementioned cheating with her mother.

My point is that the game has no consitent internal logic. While it must be admitted that it is a porn game and is thus a literal masturbation fantasy, the constant hypocrisy is still frustrating.

Also, Jenny's new face is repulsive. The way the corners of her mouth jackknife up could only be called a smile in the Glaswegian sense. Her new art is objectively worse.

Maybe they should have done the GTAV approach and intoduche three different MCs, so that each part of the story can be played from a different perspective?

Man, the Trevor story would be interesting

 

[j4yj4m]

Maybe they should have done the GTAV approach and intoduche three different MCs, so that each part of the story can be played from a different perspective?

I don't want to imagine the work all those redraws would be.

That said, I'd like to have a more defined and choice based path through the game. Even though DC seemed to be moving in the other direction, Jenny's update gave me some hope that we may see a little bit more of that in the future. That said, I'm prepared to be disappointed since actual choices which cut of whole scenes, branches, etc. seem to be really unpopular among many players.

 

[Ungawa]

I think the problem is that you're expecting a linear story with consistent characters dev, especially for the mc. however the different between SS and the typical visual novel is that there are choices to be made and the availability of choices because the MC suppose to be a reflection of the actual player themselves. So just because an option is available, it doesn't mean you as a player need to take it. and keep in mind, the finished game PROBABLY won't allow you to romance every character in the roster anyway because your relationship with one character might block off your chance with another. BUT like I said just because the option is there doesn't mean YOU, as the player, has to take it.

To further add on this, there will be detriments to multiple paths in the final game where the relationship points are added up and you lack enough for the prom.