Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Badjourasmix]

My thoughts exactly. A game where a shovel fits into a backpack should make it possible to fuck every girl in town.

And the polls, they ended at 54% for "I prefer having access to all the content from a story in one play-through."

Well now the question is, will DC abide by the poll or will he ignore it? If he doesn't have any intention of going by the results of the poll, there is really no point it making it in the first place. He will only get more complaints in the future.

 

[srksrk 68]

Well now the question is, will DC abide by the poll or will he ignore it? If he doesn't have any intention of going by the results of the poll, there is really no point it making it in the first place. He will only get more complaints in the future.

I think it's also possible to satisfy everybody. If you have the right dialog choices, you may be able to get every girl, or lock out some options if you choose so. It can be totally up to the player.

Of course, that would also mean to make some events like the Tina pizza delivery optional somehow.

 

[Badjourasmix]

I like the idea of freedom in this type of games, you should be able to get with all the girls if you want to. And I also think you should not be forced to be with any girl if you don't wan't to. Those are the type of choices I like in these games. That is why I liked Eve's story even though I wasn't really interested in her. The game gives me a meaningful choice without locking me out of any content.

 

[srksrk 68]

Let's be realistic. If this game would be an adequate image of reality, most of us would not bang one single girl in one playthrough.

That's why you play games. You already have all the realism you would want in real life.

The only realistic thing in Summertime Saga is MC's dick size. I never understood what people think would make that so special

 

[Badjourasmix]

Yeah it's a form of escapism. It's the same reason why people watch regular porn. If porn movies were realistic in their stories they would suck.

 

[Chris_Joe]

is anyone here from the fallout vault 69 thread? everybody says fv69 is the ripoff of ss. is it true? the only thing i know that its a pity that fv69 is abandoned it had so much potential

 

[Omnikuken]

^ There's way more obvious SS ripoffs around here ......

 

[j4yj4m]

@TheGrandMasterCory:
I'll answer quickly because I don't want to write even more too long posts which nobody will read.

1. Of course Grace isn't a primary/main character, but she's one of the very few "more important secondary characters" (in line with Helen, Mrs. Johnson, etc.) who doesn't have her own solo scene. Now it looks like she may won't even get a small subplot, as some others have it.
2. Grace for example really cares for Eve and thus I don't really see how DC could actually introduce a proper solo scene for her without breaking that plotline. More sexual frustration would be quite sad indeed.
3. Judith branch was always linked to the Latinas. Up until now the plan was always to either have a path in which you support Judith to "beat the Latinas" or to have path in which you are somewhat on the Latinas side and solve Judith's problem in some other way (we can guess that a good dicking may make them less interested in bullying Judith).
4. Live is just less fun without any kind of consequence. I know it's just a porn game but the linear ones are usually way more boring because you always know where you'll end up. I know, that's what many people want but I still don't have to agree with it.

I want the MC to have a lot of different girls he can cycle through in a single playthrough.

That would have always been the case and I never argued against that. I was talking about specific branches which could/should really use choices and that I would have liked at least one more in Eve's path. Roxxy certainly doesn't need a branch and I don't think Annie and Ronda will need one, either. For Mia and Judith on the other hand I think they are almost mandatory and for June/Mrs. Johnson it would be nice to have at least one.
The point is that the current poll could indeed lead to most, if not all, of these branches being removed. Again, I still feel we talked past each other most of the time.

And I also think you should not be forced to be with any girl if you don't wan't to. Those are the type of choices I like in these games. That is why I liked Eve's story even though I wasn't really interested in her. The game gives me a meaningful choice without locking me out of any content.

Are you sure about that? If you don't like Eve but want to have Grace or Odette you'll still have to fuck Eve first. I'd prefer the sitatuion you mentioned aswell, but it's currently not in the game.

Saldy I don't see the situation change. As you say, there's no way to avoid Maria and Tina in the main story, either, which I think is another medicore idea but that's probably just how the game is going to be.

 

[Badjourasmix]

I don't see why branching paths have to be mandatory for any of the stories. Lets analyze some scenes and stories. You have one scene where your mom, who you have been having sex with, catches you having sex with your aunt. After a couple of minutes of them talking about it, they say fuck it lets just have sex with him together. That same aunt has a milk delivery business where she uses her own breast milk, and when the demand gets too high, she decides to get pregnant with her nephew's child to increase production. Then you have a nun who is doing some weird bdsm shit with one of your classmate's mom at night in the church. These are just some examples of the ridiculous stories the game has. Is being able to get both Judith and the latinas or Mia and her mom more ridiculous than those stories that I mentioned? I don't think so. I actually think that is what makes this game so fun. I don't think adding limitations to the number of girls you can get with, makes the game any better. Unless you can only pursue on girl per playthrough the mc will always end up with multiple girls.

 

[j4yj4m]

@Badjourasmix:
It's indeed the level of writing that actually matters in my opinion. Sure, the game is full of strange stories and things, but DC said again and again that he wants characters to have a purpose and that he wants them to act in charcter. Of course you'll take shortcuts etc. at times but there's just so much you can do without making it just look badly constructed. There's simply a line to walk until immersion breaks and things become random and somewhat boring. Until now the game was great in managing that compromise.

He had many great compromises which I personally really liked, like Jenny staying bitchy, Debbie not fucking Jenny, Mrs. Johnson rewarding MC for getting Erik June as GF, Mia being happy because Harold and Helen were back together, etc. and now it looks like much of that is going out the window and we'll end up some cheap harem stuff. I may be damaged by reading quite a few manga in the past, but having a perfect protagonist who gets all the girls is just so extremely boring and at least for me there's almost no redemption. Many other games at least compensate with an abundance of sexual content but SS can't deliver really that for obvious reasons, which is probabably why the writing is actually important to me.

As said, it's my opinion. I canceled my pledge and I'll see how it develops.

 

[Badjourasmix]

@j4yj4m
I think you are right, it comes to personal preference. I personally love harem games. I think the reason why so many people like the game and why it is still so popular is because the game never really took itself too seriously, it always had a more comedic tone and had these crazy stories that would never happen IRL. Basically this game is every teenage boy's wet dream where you go around having sex with all the girls and they all fall in love with you. And it was how DC sold it at the beginning. I Started playing this very early on and when I watched his streams, he was always saying "Yes when the game is done you will be able to have sex with all the girls and get them pregnant". And I remember him talking about the harem feature very early on in development. I think he just didn't know that the game would become so big and have so many characters.

 

[artyomrusty]

I assume you had a dirty shutdown of your PC or a crash or such, resulting in corrupt save files in your save directory. Look for saves of size 0 and delete them (also consider your %appdata%\RenPy\SummertimeSaga directory).

I explained it here: https://f95zone.to/threads/summertime-saga-v0-20-1-kompas-productions.276/post-2815147

You could also install my mod (see signature), which has a fix for that error (your saves will still be corrupt but you don't get a crash any longer).

Bruh you are the fucking man I was about read to break my machine. I spent hours yesterday trying to fix it but honestly I had no idea what I was doing. And I already had your mod downloaded just didn't add it to the game since when i went to play it again it was broker than a bitch. Again thank you man

 

[srksrk 68]

2. Grace for example really cares for Eve and thus I don't really see how DC could actually introduce a proper solo scene for her without breaking that plotline. More sexual frustration would be quite sad indeed.
3. Judith branch was always linked to the Latinas. Up until now the plan was always to either have a path in which you support Judith to "beat the Latinas" or to have path in which you are somewhat on the Latinas side and solve Judith's problem in some other way (we can guess that a good dicking may make them less interested in bullying Judith).
4. Live is just less fun without any kind of consequence. I know it's just a porn game but the linear ones are usually way more boring because you always know where you'll end up. I know, that's what many people want but I still don't have to agree with it.

Just my 3 cents:

2. I always thought DC planned to enhance Grace's story a bit to give her a solo scene. In fact, the game's sources indicate that the game ia already prepared for that. There are times when Grace sits solely and naked in her room, Odette not being there. You can only talk to her, though, no naughty action. It would be very easy to integrate a solo scene for her there, re-using the existing animation, without Odette in the background. I would have modded that into the game long ago if I only knew if DC plans something like that or not. Only thing would be a matching dialog for that scene.

3. People keep saying this. I don't share that opinion. You could also say Judith's path would be linked to Mia's or even Ms. Ross because of the whole art session branch (or, very remotely, to Ms. Dewitt because of the broken flute quest during the music class quest or to Okita's because of her glasses).

4. What you say is true for real life. But for a porn game, I expect sex without consequences. Because that's what makes it different from real life. It feels strange that I must point that out...

 

[Badjourasmix]

3. People keep saying this. I don't share that opinion. You could also say Judith's path would be linked to Mia's or even Ms. Ross because of the whole art session branch (or, very remotely, to Ms. Dewitt because of the broken flute quest during the music class quest or to Okita's because of her glasses).

The reason people say that is because DC confirmed on stream multiple times that the latinas will be part of Judith's story.

4. What you say is true for real life. But for a porn game, I expect sex without consequences. Because that's what makes it different from real life. It feels strange that I must point that out...

Yeah that is also why I play porn games. It's a fantasy it is not supposed to be like real life at least that is what I look for in a porn game.

 

[srksrk 68]

@j4yj4m
I think you are right, it comes to personal preference. I personally love harem games. I think the reason why so many people like the game and why it is still so popular is because the game never really took itself too seriously, it always had a more comedic tone and had these crazy stories that would never happen IRL. Basically this game is every teenage boy's wet dream where you go around having sex with all the girls and they all fall in love with you. And it was how DC sold it at the beginning. I Started playing this very early on and when I watched his streams, he was always saying "Yes when the game is done you will be able to have sex with all the girls and get them pregnant". And I remember him talking about the harem feature very early on in development. I think he just didn't know that the game would become so big and have so many characters.

That's the problem. The game is huge. In terms of story and in terms of art. In fact, the naughtiness is lacking lately, because there is simply too few of it compared to the great story. What the game really needs are more naughty scenes, or positions, during a single naughty event. Some scenes have different angles or positions (Diane's breeding scene or Ms. Bissette's scene) or clothing options (Jenny, Consuela). Even pregnant options are beginnig to be integrated (Maria). We need more of those.

 

[Badjourasmix]

That's the problem. The game is huge. In terms of story and in terms of art. In fact, the naughtiness is lacking lately, because there is simply too few of it compared to the great story. What the game really needs are more naughty scenes, or positions, during a single naughty event. Some scenes have different angles or positions (Diane's breeding scene or Ms. Bissette's scene) or clothing options (Jenny, Consuela). Even pregnant options are beginnig to be integrated (Maria). We need more of those.

That is one of the main complaints about the branching paths, you just get 4 or 5 animated scenes per update and when you have to spread them out to different paths, it makes every path feel very short.

 

[j4yj4m]

@Badjourasmix:
Well, when I started watching the streams (I think before 0.12 in 2017) he said so many times that there'd not be harem and shortly after that he actually introduced Eriks and Mia's story, which had a good balance. Of course the goal was always to fuck and impregnat every girl in town but there was indeed enough variety and consequence to keep things fun.

I mean, I was fine with the isolated harem feature in principle which certainly would have worked out somehow. But now it actually seems to influence every bit of writing, which is just the point at which I'm out. I mean, there are still some games I enjoy but I always played SS more for the package and if the writing doesn't fit my liking, it's just not a good package.

If the whole thing turns out well, I'm happy, but the Grace part of Eve's story and the Maria/Tina situation honestly don't give me that much hope.

@srksrk 68:
The problem with Grace to me is more how you'd integrate that scene storywise. In her scene with Odette she's just sexually frustrated and needs a dick. That's acceptable. But another scene in which that is the case would be pretty sad in my opinion. If all she gets are pity bangs while she herself feels bad for betraying her sister, I'd rather not have that scene at all.

And of course you can link many characters if the writing allows it. But currently there are some situations where that's hardly the case and therefore you'd have to adapt the stories so it fits. In my opinion that will almost automatically lead to less good/meaningful plots. As said, my opinion.

I'd love to see Judith and the Latinas have a serious brawl (not literally but storywise) so she can really repay them for their bullying. The question is how you'd go from that to her being fine with MC casually fucking them, literally right after that. To me that kind of proximity matters. Sure, there'll be other girls but they have other stories or aren't related at all. Characters like Mia/Helen, Eve/Grace etc. on the other hand are simply connected through their plot in some way.

Sure, there'll always be huge inconsitencies across the whole game, but is it really too much to ask that closely related stories are more or less consistent within themselves?

As for the real life stuff, sure. The problem is that there are just sooo many generic hyper wish fulfilling harem stories out there that I personally don't really care anymore. It's just a turn-off to some degree. Edit: To be more precise, at least it's nothing I'd spend much time and money on.

Edit: But enough about my opinion on that topic. We'll see how the next updates turn out and how they'll deal with that poll.

 

[Badjourasmix]

We will have to wait and see what he decides. DC hasn't said anything about the poll yet. He could very well just decide to ignore it. It would kinda defeat the purpose of having one in the first place, but we never know. I would prefer the more linear routes, but if he decides to keep different paths, it's fine with me. Either way I think he will keep delivering very good updates.

 

[KING Breezy]

Does this mod also includes both branches for mia and helen, june, mrs. johnson like for ikaruga mod?

 

[walkerjonny]

Has the author mentioned something about if he'll continue to require the players to each time start a new game when he releases a new major version of SS? That's quite tiring...