I also remember hearing from DC (or was it $10+ patrons) about Eve's history.
Yea, DarkCookie didn't realize most people don't use the word trap for actual trans people early on, I haven't seen him use that term for Eve's path in at least two years. I'm not in the camp of people who think that word shouldn't be used at all, there are some people who hate that word and femboy, even though I know a few guys who dress/present in a feminine way who use those words to refer to themselves, but identify fully as male or don't care how you address them pronounwise. If that's the word you want to use to describe yourself, that's whatever but I don't (personally) know any trans women who want to be referred to that way.
Yup. Like the "N-word" and the "F-word" (for homosexual), those who are in that group can use it amongst themselves.
Which, to be fair, is something that should stop at some point if we actually ever want to reach a state of actual equality. Dividing people into more and more groups with more and more special rituals, words, etc. will only ever take us so far.
That's good to hear, I'd heard that he'd gotten a icy cold shoulder when he asked for advice.I'd personally consider DC a guy who really doesn't mean anything bad but who just doesn't really bother to care for this stuff up to the point that he actively searches for the right words to use. I still remember him telling that he once asked some questions on some kind of transforum on reddit or so and that he got so much flack for using the word trap, though he was happy that some people actually answered his questions.
Reminds me of something I've heard many times--those who want to take advantage of LGBTQ+ often learn all the terms flawlessly in order to gain their confidence. It advises to recognize when someone is genuinely trying to do the right thing, to use the right terms, even if they stumble.
I often consider myself "mildly gender non-conforming." Nothing drastic, but I really never fit in with boys growing up, never got some of their attitudes and felt more at ease in the company of girls. I often look to the time when "gender non-conformity" is no longer a thing.
Exactly
.Yea, DC never used it maliciously. I hate when people jump on someone who's obviously not doing something considered bad with ill-intent and immediately judge them for it as opposed to explaining why they think it's wrong.I'd personally consider DC a guy who really doesn't mean anything bad but who just doesn't really bother to care for this stuff up to the point that he actively searches for the right words to use. I still remember him telling that he once asked some questions on some kind of transforum on reddit or so and that he got so much flack for using the word trap, though he was happy that some people actually answered his questions.
In the end it's always better to mean the right thing and to use the wrong words than just to look at the words and to forget the rest.
Which, to be fair, is something that should stop at some point if we actually ever want to reach a state of actual equality. Dividing people into more and more groups with more and more special rituals, words, etc. will only ever take us so far.
I honestly don't care what anybody *said* in some streams, be it DC or somebody else. Fact is the game was not a trans game (we may disagree about if it was intended to be or become one). I play it because it is vanilla. I don't want or need trans content and I want it to be skippable, which it is and I am fine with it. However, what I say is true: it takes a considerable amound of time to draw alternate animations, and added to the ever present shouts for more frequent updates and more content, this is a factor to be considered.
I'm from a country where we don't really have these kind of words for some groups in our daily live and I'm quite happy about that.
I'm not really sure I can follow your argument here. What you are describing is literally what patreon development is about. Content gets introduced piece by piece, one after the other. By the same argument you could say that SS was always meant to be an incest game and that this whole school girl stuff, the monster girls, the pregnancies, etc. have no place in the game because they weren't there in the beginning.
I don't think so. The last I heard was that they wanted to have small and last 4:3 update in between, just for these scenes and without any of the tech stuff. But I couldn't follw any streams recently, so thing may have changed.
OK you're just fucking trolling at this point or something lol. You're wrong and triggered something you don't like is in your favorite game. Boohoo. The game was always intended to have trans content and you're just sooooooo bothered that DC took time to make content that he always intended to have in his game because it's content you don't like. How dare he. He said he would have trans content, he has had trans content as one of the tags for intended content from the very fucking beginning. It's not your game, and it is what DC always intended it to be. The content he took time out to draw was the cis content for people like you and you still find something to complain about, and drawing a vagina probably only took an extra hour or two as the animations are the exact same. Fucking incredible.
EDIT: The N-word thing is hard to get if you don't understand American history, especially modern cultural development in the post Jim Crow era. There are plenty of black people who don't like using it but there's plenty of contextual justification for its use.
Sorry, what I feel is my thing, not yours. If the game suddenly became more trans than before I have the right to feel hijacked, yes? As I said, I can live with how it is right now, so no need for further discussion here.
Are you trying to trigger me or what? Did I insult you at some point? Stop telling me I am trolling because I have an opinion.
I was indeed quite interested for some time and I totally get why people would start to use it in that given situation. I just have no idea where this situation will eventually end up now that time and societey progresses - especially since I feel ( and I may be wrong) that the word gets used more and more in let's say music or art in the last decade. The vast majority of people start to get along, intermingle, intermarry, etc. and I just feel that words like these don't do any good in that environment.
You're not stating an opinion though. An opinon would be "I don't like trans content." You said it "never was intented to be a trans genre game... And drawing the trans animations takes time and effort from normal content." Neither of which are factually true, yet you present them as fact. Three people tell you that you are, in fact, making incorrect statements about the content of the game and the game's development cycle, and present proof as to why you are incorrect. Then you persist in presenting your flawed, self-informed information as facts about the game's development. If you can't differentiate between an opinion and a fact, that doesn't change the definition of those words as defined in American or British English.
Fair enough. Also the use of the word is as persistent in black American music as it has been for about 40-70 years, depending on the genres. It's just that music about the marginal experiences of black American experience has become more mainstream in the last 10-20 years, and the topics explored by those who crafted the media used to express those experiences has expanded in such a nearly unprecedented global fashion that people who were previously unexposed to the experiences and tropes core to the genres it's been used in are hearing it more than if it had never become as mainstream as it is.
As I said I don't care what anybody *says* when I play a game. It had no trans content at the time and that is a fact even if you fail to recognize what a fact is. And again you fail to explain how providing additional content would not result in additional effort.
