Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Nerro]

Its just a huge flaw with the patron model in general. It really incentivises this kind of behaviour.

In any kind of old fashioned model there would be zero chance of this happening.

Even if the dev needed to rework it for any reason, its trivial to just throw more resources at the coding and massively cut the turnaround time. As it is there's no motivation to do so as dragging it out means there is more secure long term revenue as opposed to finishing the game and starting something new with all the risks that entails.

I‘ve been preaching this for years but nobody listens. Subscription funding for game development is the most flawed funding method in gaming history. The dev literally has an economical incentive TO NOT complete games to keep the development funds flowing. They will give bullshit updates at a snail’s pace to make it look like things are progressing, and when the project finally seems to be nearing completion, they either choose to extend the game or “rework” it and the cycle repeats.

But people keep subscribing and keep being subscribed despite getting practically nothing for their money. The worst part of it; most of them don’t even know! Its such a small charge from their bank account, many subs forget they are paying money to a project that’s not going anywhere. That’s why some abandoned projects with no update for years still receive big amounts of cash each month if they didn’t close the Patreon. And with adult games being so tempting, its easy to hook people for that small charge every month they will soon forget all about.

Patreon porn-game devs really got lucky they found the largest public scam in the digital age they can utilize freely with no legal ramifications. Sometimes makes me think why I even went to school and didn’t just make a shitty porn game for a couple of years and then I’d practically be set for life with minimal to no work needed.

 

[C3rch]

^^^this. Exactly.

 

[fexacon]

Damn I wish I could run a scam this lucrative.

 

[j4yj4m]

What was the other branch for Jenny? I honestly cant remember.

Well, it's a "branch". She's got some dialog choices which suggest there should be some difference, but all that really happens ins that MC either breaks free from his handcuffs or not.

It's hard for a zebra to change it's stripes. I kind of think of it as she is who she is and DC has fought not to turn her into Roxxy (a decision I completely agree with). Jenny isn't my favorite character but I really like how she has remained true to her character and it's reflected with good story telling. However, I think you're right that there could be some more defined differences between the two routes.

I've only ever gone the dominant route with Jenny, because submissive isn't my thing. However, I really like gentle/soft femdom which I think is why I like Debbie as much as I do. The scene definitely looks more that route than straight Dom, but I don't have luxury of hearing what he has to say about it.

Yeah, the difference between her and Roxxy should really stay as it is, but I think it's fine to introduce at least one or two nicer moments at times. Her dominant branch could become a little more dominant than it's right now and when the other one gets a little more soft. At the moment she's somewhere in the middle, where neiter side is happy with it.

I'm not listening to many streams and when it comes to these things, it's all about the writing anyway. So we'll have to wait and see.

I‘ve been preaching this for years but nobody listens.

That's likely because this is pirate forum where very few people are paying in the first place?

 

[manneychin]

Sometimes I wonder If this game is the biggest scam ever done for a porn game. Or if it ever will realy get done.

Still waiting on a rework for the mc his real mom ( no need to bring up the fact that the dev changed the incest rules its all BS )

I hope will see the mc mom pregnant. Just like the sister.

Definitely the biggest scam in porn games, towering over any #2.

DC milked his paypigs of more than $2.2 million (and counting) just for the Tech Update theater.
Best part? Back in 2020 he sold them this TU as something that would take and I quote: "3 to 4 months to complete". Yada yada yada and today the TU look-busy theater is in its 38th month (DC alleged TU dev started before Feb-2021 but I'm just counting since Mar-2021 when the last normal SS release came out) and DC's latest lies let his paypigs believe the TU could be delivered before it hits 4 years of "development"... maybe.

There is only one solace in this megascam. In the future, DC's m.o. will be easier to spot because there were signs before the TU slam dunk.
People with memory might remember how release after release resuming play from older SS saves would not work despite it working in pretty much every other Ren'Py game. The reason why saves were eternally screwed turned out to be very important.

With every new SS release DC would make changes all over the code base, wasting increasingly more resources to redo things just because. Sounds familiar? He would royally justify this as Him having such artistic integrity that SS can only be told according to His latest vision.
And herein lies the ugly problem we can see in hindsight.

On one side this is NOT how any masterpiece is created. This is the m.o. of movies & TV show producers who see that an IP sells so they pile on another installment and then another and another, butchering the canon, butchering the lore in however way seems to be most profitable next, not giving a flying fuck about the fanbase, until inevitably the quality tanks so badly the IP is no longer useful to extract money from suckers. That's EXACTLY what DC did.
Just remember how quickly he dropped incest as soon as it presented any risk to his income despite incest being THE central theme of his original vision. There was no burning need for integrity there because money.
If he actually had a vision he "needed" to tell with artistic integrity SS would release in very well defined chapters, each one building upon the previous one, like DmD, LomL and countless other Ren'Py games, with no reason to break old saves.

On another side, the latest changes he made all over the code base to express his latest vision would always be of high resource cost and low artistic impact. The story threads bundled in SS up to v0.20.16 are so minimally interconnected they could easily each be their separate game. It's precisely these interconnects that would've had a chance to justify Lord Farquaad's decision to fuck with what was already delivered in every release and yet the interconnects were marginal (and sometimes just plain broken as you could progress Roxxy and Jenny enough to have Roxxy lovey dovey on her story thread and bitchy on Jenny's story thread but the story threads were poorly synchronized so events made no sense in how they unfolded).

So yeah, SS is a megascam and DC is, by far, THE biggest scammer in porn games, ever. He basically cashed in on all the good will he ever gained from putting his drawing talent to good use at a lucky time just when incest porn games exploded. As a delightful irony, he is extraordinarily similar to Trump as it takes a very special kind of invertebrate to turn trust into cash like that.

He is not done yet. He will use the latest crackdown Patreon does on consent to justify the long rollout of the TU, claiming he needs to change this and that because Patreon. Unfortunately for his paypigs, the need is real as SS might've been vanilla in terms of perversity but it contained a lot of normal non-woke sexuality which now needs to be made woke or else SS risks being banned and we already know from how DC butchered incest away that his artistic integrity doesn't mean shit if it means risking his free money.

So the Scam Saga will go on for however long it takes for his paypigs to gain some self respect and awareness that they'll never get what they hope for by pre-paying DC and trusting his word.

 

[Nerro]

Well, it's a "branch". She's got some dialog choices which suggest there should be some difference, but all that really happens ins that MC either breaks free from his handcuffs or not.

Yeah, the difference between her and Roxxy should really stay as it is, but I think it's fine to introduce at least one or two nicer moments at times. Her dominant branch could become a little more dominant than it's right now and when the other one gets a little more soft. At the moment she's somewhere in the middle, where neiter side is happy with it.

I'm not listening to many streams and when it comes to these things, it's all about the writing anyway. So we'll have to wait and see.


That's likely because this is pirate forum where very few people are paying in the first place?

I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators. All creators I've seen who made a poll for their subscribers, asking where they discovered the game, they almost all say they found the game from pirate sites like this.

 

[HentKingdom]

Definitely the biggest scam in porn games, towering over any #2.

DC milked his paypigs of more than $2.2 million (and counting) just for the Tech Update theater.
Best part? Back in 2020 he sold them this TU as something that would take and I quote: "3 to 4 months to complete". Yada yada yada and today the TU look-busy theater is in its 38th month (DC alleged TU dev started before Feb-2021 but I'm just counting since Mar-2021 when the last normal SS release came out) and DC's latest lies let his paypigs believe the TU could be delivered before it hits 4 years of "development"... maybe.

There is only one solace in this megascam. In the future, DC's m.o. will be easier to spot because there were signs before the TU slam dunk.
People with memory might remember how release after release resuming play from older SS saves would not work despite it working in pretty much every other Ren'Py game. The reason why saves were eternally screwed turned out to be very important.

With every new SS release DC would make changes all over the code base, wasting increasingly more resources to redo things just because. Sounds familiar? He would royally justify this as Him having such artistic integrity that SS can only be told according to His latest vision.
And herein lies the ugly problem we can see in hindsight.

On one side this is NOT how any masterpiece is created. This is the m.o. of movies & TV show producers who see that an IP sells so they pile on another installment and then another and another, butchering the canon, butchering the lore in however way seems to be most profitable next, not giving a flying fuck about the fanbase, until inevitably the quality tanks so badly the IP is no longer useful to extract money from suckers. That's EXACTLY what DC did.
Just remember how quickly he dropped incest as soon as it presented any risk to his income despite incest being THE central theme of his original vision. There was no burning need for integrity there because money.
If he actually had a vision he "needed" to tell with artistic integrity SS would release in very well defined chapters, each one building upon the previous one, like DmD, LomL and countless other Ren'Py games, with no reason to break old saves.

On another side, the latest changes he made all over the code base to express his latest vision would always be of high resource cost and low artistic impact. The story threads bundled in SS up to v0.20.16 are so minimally interconnected they could easily each be their separate game. It's precisely these interconnects that would've had a chance to justify Lord Farquaad's decision to fuck with what was already delivered in every release and yet the interconnects were marginal (and sometimes just plain broken as you could progress Roxxy and Jenny enough to have Roxxy lovey dovey on her story thread and bitchy on Jenny's story thread but the story threads were poorly synchronized so events made no sense in how they unfolded).

So yeah, SS is a megascam and DC is, by far, THE biggest scammer in porn games, ever. He basically cashed in on all the good will he ever gained from putting his drawing talent to good use at a lucky time just when incest porn games exploded. As a delightful irony, he is extraordinarily similar to Trump as it takes a very special kind of invertebrate to turn trust into cash like that.

He is not done yet. He will use the latest crackdown Patreon does on consent to justify the long rollout of the TU, claiming he needs to change this and that because Patreon. Unfortunately for his paypigs, the need is real as SS might've been vanilla in terms of perversity but it contained a lot of normal non-woke sexuality which now needs to be made woke or else SS risks being banned and we already know from how DC butchered incest away that his artistic integrity doesn't mean shit if it means risking his free money.

So the Scam Saga will go on for however long it takes for his paypigs to gain some self respect and awareness that they'll never get what they hope for by pre-paying DC and trusting his word.

I think that people just don't care. I mean what's a small donation anyway, right? But when a lot of people do this without stop, that changes things.

I never liked this whole pay for production thing in porn games. Japanese games never do this they make the game and sell it all within a year most of the time. And that's it. This counts for small game devs and big game devs.

This paying for production is almost as bad as people who buy OnlyFans.

I like this game since it started, but I often wonder where this will end. Patreon should have rules if you don't deliver in time. Then no pay check or something.

I just want to see the incest mc mom finally redone and see her preggo. This seems like a dream years of, if ever.

 

[j4yj4m]

I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators. All creators I've seen who made a poll for their subscribers, asking where they discovered the game, they almost all say they found the game from pirate sites like this.

For smaller and newer games that's 100% true. Once you get to a certain size, these pages matter less and less, especially if you can download the game for free from patreon or the dev himself.

You can see that with this game. Despite it having an abandoned tag, DC gained more patrons this month between may 1st to 8th than he did last month between april 1st to 8th (2318 in may vs. 1730 in april).

I mean, that's unless we'd suggest that people subscribe at a higher rate despite the tag.

 

[Count Morado]

I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators.

There are over 7 million registered users on F95. There are an estimated 600-700,000 subscribers to adult game developers on Patreon. Even if every single subscriber had an F95 account, that's less than 10% of all F95 registered users.

 

[Nerro]

There are over 7 million registered users on F95. There are an estimated 600-700,000 subscribers to adult game developers on Patreon. Even if every single subscriber had an F95 account, that's less than 10% of all F95 registered users.

False equivalence. Registered users does not mean active users but you are comparing it to active subscribers. At this time, there are nearly 18 k people online and if we assume, during peak hours, that number rises to around 20-30k. That's the number you should compare to active subscribers. Suddenly its not hard to imagine a lot of those 700k subs are from users here.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The good old "F95 is irrelevant" narrative,i saw this episode already

 

[PayneToTheMax]

With every new SS release DC would make changes all over the code base, wasting increasingly more resources to redo things just because. Sounds familiar? He would royally justify this as Him having such artistic integrity that SS can only be told according to His latest vision.

Are you worshipping DC as some sort of deity or why do you capitalise Him and His as if you were talking about God here?

 

[AstroMJ6969]

Are you worshipping DC as some sort of deity or why do you capitalise Him and His as if you were talking about God here?

Bro started speaking about visions

 

[siatugst]

DarkCookie is ligma.

 

[Count Morado]

False equivalence. Registered users does not mean active users but you are comparing it to active subscribers. At this time, there are nearly 18 k people online and if we assume, during peak hours, that number rises to around 20-30k. That's the number you should compare to active subscribers. Suddenly its not hard to imagine a lot of those 700k subs are from users here.

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."

Which goes back to my response.

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[GNova]

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."

Which goes back to my response.

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a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?

 

[Nerro]

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."

When I said "here", I of course meant the users actively using the site on a somewhat regular basis. Idk why you would assume when I say "people here" would also mean people who made an F95 account 5 years ago and haven't been back since. That person is not "here" anymore.

And, no, your response is more so a false equivalence than mine. You are saying that "active subscribers" actually are "active" in a similar way that "active F95zone users" would be measured (meaning, logging in, interacting with others, downloading etc). And no, that does not necessarily have to be the case. They simply have to click the "subscribe" button on patreon and that's it - they never have to check in again. And that's what a fair number of people do. Just like many people here simply create an account so that they can use the download links.

Being able to subscribe to a Patron without paying is a very new feature. Just some months ago, this feature was called "follow" You could follow a Patreon for free but subscription always meant you were paying at least the lowest tier. So yes, if in your post, you meant the 600-700K subs also included those who were subbing for free, there aren't all that many of those 700K who are actually paying. But I think most people who read you post thought you were comparing paying subs to all accounts ever created here, seeing as in my post, I was speaking specifically of "people who pay".

Nevertheless, comparing all adult game subs on Patreon with all accounts ever created on F95 is still false equivalence, simply due to the fact, that you could not sub for free on Patreon until just recently. Meanwhile, people can make unlimited free F95 accounts and have been able to do so for the past 7 years and many have good reason to do so(ban evading, react abuse, trolling, etc.). There are not many incentives to have more than 1 Patreon account afaik, seeing as free members usually can't interact with anything.


Anyways, I'm done meddling in semantics. None of us know exactly how many F95 users support creators. All I know is, those devs who asked their paying subs where they discovered the game, most of them say pirate sites. And that makes sense, because you can't exactly advertise a porn game anywhere else except for maybe Twitter and Steam(if you manage to get greenlit), both have many limitations and issues that makes it hard to advertise effectively compared to pirate sites where everyone can see and play the game for free.

 

[j4yj4m]

a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?

Sure, basically every place that features non anime 2D porn of some sort online.
The same discussion happend a few days ago and a few pages back, but SS is one of the (few) games which does indeed have a significant exposure on social media (facebook, reddit, X, etc. because of fanart) and has hundreds of millions of videoviews on all kinds of video portals like youtube and basically every other NSFW portal out there like pornhub, xvideos, spankbang, xnxx, etc.
Next to that it's the #1 NSFW game by patrons on patreon for years, which alone will attract some.

Ultimately there are at least two kinds of users. Those who are already registered here, who know about porn games and who know how to use this forum. They'll likely find the game via this page.

And all those others above, who aren't on F95 yet, may just use google once they know the name and find another source, like DC's official homepage.

You can just ask yourself how you found F95?
Surely you found some game you wanted to play somewhere on the internet, it was behind some kind of patreon paywall and because of that you ended up here. That's likely how it's for 99% the the users.

Now you can ask yourself the question if you'd have come to F95, if you could have downloaded the game you wanted back then for free from the dev himself.

 

[Count Morado]

a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?

There are dozens, if not hundreds of sites like F95 - and not all of them are "english only" like F95. Are they all the size of F95? No. However, here is a screengrab of one site where you can "find" Summertime Saga while browsing games... with links available to the developer's website, etc:

That's 70.4 million downloads from that website (of the APK - across all versions)... which is almost double the number of views of this thread, and the number of views of this thread is more than the number of downloads for Summertime Saga from F95.

Here's another site:


And another:

When I said "here", I of course meant the users actively using the site on a somewhat regular basis. Idk why you would assume when I say "people here" would also mean people who made an F95 account 5 years ago and haven't been back since. That person is not "here" anymore.



Being able to subscribe to a Patron without paying is a very new feature. Just some months ago, this feature was called "follow" You could follow a Patreon for free but subscription always meant you were paying at least the lowest tier. So yes, if in your post, you meant the 600-700K subs also included those who were subbing for free, there aren't all that many of those 700K who are actually paying. But I think most people who read you post thought you were comparing paying subs to all accounts ever created here, seeing as in my post, I was speaking specifically of "people who pay".

Nevertheless, comparing all adult game subs on Patreon with all accounts ever created on F95 is still false equivalence, simply due to the fact, that you could not sub for free on Patreon until just recently. Meanwhile, people can make unlimited free F95 accounts and have been able to do so for the past 7 years and many have good reason to do so(ban evading, react abuse, trolling, etc.). There are not many incentives to have more than 1 Patreon account afaik, seeing as free members usually can't interact with anything.


Anyways, I'm done meddling in semantics. None of us know exactly how many F95 users support creators. All I know is, those devs who asked their paying subs where they discovered the game, most of them say pirate sites. And that makes sense, because you can't exactly advertise a porn game anywhere else except for maybe Twitter and Steam(if you manage to get greenlit), both have many limitations and issues that makes it hard to advertise effectively compared to pirate sites where everyone can see and play the game for free.

There are 600-700k paying subscribers to adult game creator on Patreon.

Look, even if you say they registered for an account in the past year in order to be active, 1.2 million did --- and you'd have to have nearly 100% of the adult game patreon subscribers be among them in order to get to 50% of those those newly added accounts in just the past year. It's 2.3 million in the past 2 years, now you've dropped down to 30%...

Yes, F95 is a good place for NEW developers to get some recognition and a base of supporters (paying and nonpaying) - the average being maybe 20-50 paying subscribers from all sources... but the average user here on F95 has never and will never subscribe to any developer. And the percentage of users (active or not) who do is not a significant percentage.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Bro started speaking about visions

I'm sure the Ten Commandments are next